IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #41

[MsBetsy]

I believe there is so much more we will learn as time goes by and trial gets closer.

Much of it I believe both sides will have a deep concern over the gruesome facts in this case. They must carefully weigh whether it is anyone’s best interest to make the terrible facts public. And if the accused has one minuscule ounce of human compassion and goodness left in him, he will speak truth and allow justice to take its course. And too the attorneys involved.


And keeping the facts from further damaging everyone most substantial reason to negotiate a plea.

I hope the prosecution is strong enough to take it to trial. Although Mollie and her legacy belongs to her family, the crime was against her AND THE UNITED STATES AND THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF IOWA. it sounds cruel and it’s a very fine line to walk. The fact is this horrible situation was a violation against the State. The state manages it and they are tasked with prosecution.

I think it very possible they will try to keep some of the most gruesome details away from the public and out of the trial. I hope that can be done successfully while ensuring he gets life without parole. I'm thinking of the trial of Jodi Arias, when she refused to plead guilty and avoid a trial ( then later blaming the family for the lengthy trial) To have to sit in the courtroom day after day and listen to every gory, horrifying detail of what happened to your child must be unbearable. I hope it doesn't lead to this. Someone mentioned that the reason lawyers postponed the last hearing may be that the details of the crime are so horrifying. I hope this all leads to him pleading guilty, and avoiding all the emotional turmoil it would bring the family listening to the " explanations" as to why he is not guilty of first degree murder.

 

[Al Hoffman]

Mollie had only been a university student for one year, and we know that CR had been living in the area for at least four years. Pretty sure he ventured off the farm occasionally. No one is saying she knew him to the extent that they were great friends, or even friends at all. I will go so far as to say that perhaps she really didn't know very much about him, but I believe, in an area the size of Brooklyn, and with the closeness of their ages, and the fact that his baby's mama, IM, who he has apparently been involved with at least off and on for likely some four years, graduated in the same very small class as Mollie's boyfriend, in the tiny high school where it is likely that everyone at least knew everyone else by face, and probably name, there is no way that she had never encountered him, and at a minimum, knew OF him. Also, we know IM was at court when CR made his first appearance. It doesn't help CR's case at all to suddenly admit that he knew Mollie, and I don't necessarily believe that IM would offer that information. Beyond that, I don't know who might have been close enough to Mollie to know. And lastly, because LE says something publicly, it doesn't mean they may not know or suspect something else privately, and even with that, they only specified there was no KNOWN connection beyond him seeing her jog before the night of her murder. JMO MOO and all that.

YES!!!!! Two thumbs up and a Miller for the guy with the Boxer at the end of the bar!!!!

 

[Crystal Regan]

Plus it rained only a few hours later, which could have disabled it, too. If he left it with her, I don't think he would have worried about powering it down, but who knows what was going through his mind. Keeping it does open to question what he did with it. It would say a lot about who he is.

How do you read her Mom’s statement?

I read it as she was expecting Mollie for dinner, am I missing something?



According to Calderwood, Tibbetts said she would be home and asked what they were having. “Brats,” she replied. “Ok,” Tibbetts responded.

But dinner came and went, Calderwood said, and Tibbetts didn’t come home.

Mom is used to Mollie being at college. She knows Mollie knew how to fend for herself for dinner. For all we know, her mother could have went to bed by nine thinking Mollie would be over later. I am forty-five and I go to bed plenty of nights without my college aged kids at home and in bed.

 

[kpm]

Good memory.
“It was her idea to plan it on Friday afternoon, right after work,” Dugas said. “It was one of the other co-worker’s birthdays, so we were going to get a cake.”
Family, co-workers fear for ‘bubbly, cheerful’ teen who vanished

Thank you for finding that, one article I haven’t seen!

 

[The Farm]

I think he may have stopped there to get rid of evidence after he left her in the cornfield. Maybe he ( stupidly) hadn't turned off the phone until then. It's confusing because an investigator misspoke and said, "fit bit pings" when it was actually cell phone pings.

If he did stop to get rid of evidence like a dumpster it will be long gone and buried after 5 weeks from when he was arrested.
Or LE is holding it all in their hands right now.

 

[Al Hoffman]

Mollie had only been a university student for one year, and we know that CR had been living in the area for at least four years. Pretty sure he ventured off the farm occasionally. No one is saying she knew him to the extent that they were great friends, or even friends at all. I will go so far as to say that perhaps she really didn't know very much about him, but I believe, in an area the size of Brooklyn, and with the closeness of their ages, and the fact that his baby's mama, IM, who he has apparently been involved with at least off and on for likely some four years, graduated in the same very small class as Mollie's boyfriend, in the tiny high school where it is likely that everyone at least knew everyone else by face, and probably name, there is no way that she had never encountered him, and at a minimum, knew OF him. Also, we know IM was at court when CR made his first appearance. It doesn't help CR's case at all to suddenly admit that he knew Mollie, and I don't necessarily believe that IM would offer that information. Beyond that, I don't know who might have been close enough to Mollie to know. And lastly, because LE says something publicly, it doesn't mean they may not know or suspect something else privately, and even with that, they only specified there was no KNOWN connection beyond him seeing her jog before the night of her murder. JMO MOO and all that.

YES!!!!! Two thumbs up and a Miller for the guy with the Boxer at the end of the bar!!!!

 

[Crystal Regan]

true

These things happen so quick. I kept thinking of Holly Bobo during Mollie’s disappearance. I think Holly was dead within an hour of her abduction also. I felt Mollie was a hit and run. Totally got this one wrong but I felt that whatever happened to her was over and done before she was even reported missing.

 

[kpm]

If he did stop to get rid of evidence like a dumpster it will be long gone and buried after 5 weeks from when he was arrested.
Or LE is holding it all in their hands right now.

Let’s pray he didn’t dispose of anything

 

[Charliegizmo49]

If he did stop to get rid of evidence like a dumpster it will be long gone and buried after 5 weeks from when he was arrested.
Or LE is holding it all in their hands right now.

If he would have been smart he would have placed the phone and FitBit on a tractor trailer and had it ping all the way to Philadelphia.

 

[MsBetsy]

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How do you read her Mom’s statement?

I read it as she was expecting Mollie for dinner, am I missing something?



According to Calderwood, Tibbetts said she would be home and asked what they were having. “Brats,” she replied. “Ok,” Tibbetts responded.

But dinner came and went, Calderwood said, and Tibbetts didn’t come home.

Its really not that important! Some people prefer to look only at the facts, and not just how a reporter interprets statements in an article. There is no evidence that Mollie ever stated " yes, I will be home for dinner." That's all. I'm not sure why it's so important to you. What exactly is your point and how is it helping to determine what happened in this case? Maybe if you explain your reasoning behind it people will understand. Restating what someone wrote in an article isn't helping anyone to understand what you are trying to get at.

 

[zecats]

I have gone over that a million times

Not placing any blame just an observation as a Mom of three

If any of my kids had me pick up ingredients to make a dessert for the next day and I thought they were coming for dinner I would have called or texted them asking they were.

It’s happened many times when my kids asked for a specific thing for dinner and then ended up staying at their friends house, but I always got in touch with them to find out what was going on.

We all get busy in our lives but this is a reminder to watch for red flags, not matter how insignificant and check up on loved ones when things are out of place.

The dessert ingredients were for a party on Friday, not the next day. The next day, Thursday, Mollie was scheduled to be on a field trip to a county? fair with the daycare kids. As for the dinner arrangements, we have discussed that a bunch on here and it was mainly concluded that dinner was always and only a possibility, that she often didn't turn up for dinner. Kind of an open-ended invitation. I see your point too though, as I constantly want to know my (grown) children are ok, that they made it safely to wherever they're going. etc.

 

[MsBetsy]

I only read it as it was reported and worded, I can’t speculate against what her mother said.

According to Calderwood, Tibbetts said she would be home.....

Exactly! We cannot speculate. The way it was reported and worded doesn't always make it so.

 

[The Farm]

If he would have been smart he would have placed the phone and FitBit on a tractor trailer and had it ping all the way to Philadelphia.

I don't think we are talking mensa material here.

 

[Kaylas]

:"That's my point though..if he took her phone there would be no Fitbit info as to the potential time of death a 8:28. No location and no heart rate info. Whether in the cornfield, in his car or by the side of the road on 385th Ave, the phone was a necessary component for any timing of heart rate slowing.

Her phone could have been turned off or destroyed; Technology for a Fitbit continues to record heart rate and other data. The Fitbit doesn’t rely on a phone to operate during the day or night. An app called Fitbit Dashboard is on the phone. Fitbit synchs the data to iPads, phones, or computers.

 

[kpm]

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Its really not that important! Some people prefer to look only at the facts, and not just how a reporter interprets statements in an article. There is no evidence that Mollie ever stated " yes, I will be home for dinner." That's all. I'm not sure why it's so important to you. What exactly is your point and how is it helping to determine what happened in this case? Maybe if you explain your reasoning behind it people will understand. Restating what someone wrote in an article isn't helping anyone to understand what you are trying to get at.

My original post that started all this was me saying basically we should all be more vigilant and look for red flags if someone doesn’t show up when they say they are, I’m paraphrasing my post.

This case hits home with me, I have 3 kids and 2 grandchildren, it’s a learning curve for me to be more alert to what’s going on and not take everything for granted.

My way is not the only or right way and there was no veiled victim blaming but I was pressed to keep explaining why I posted it, after I was accused of victim blaming by someone.

I said it because by her mom stated Mollie was coming for dinner.

I never meant to start this firestorm and in no way am I blaming her family, they couldn’t have done a thing to save her by the time she never showed up for dinner, it was too late.

 

[zecats]

I think it was in an Interview with one of Mollie's co-workers early in that the dessert was for a co-workers Birthday on the Friday. Lovely gesture on her part and it just seems so Mollie sigh.......

Yes on on some SM posts, they coworkers discussed having the party anyway, even though reluctantly without her. It was on Friday. Thursday was a field trip day.

 

[MsBetsy]

If he would have been smart he would have placed the phone and FitBit on a tractor trailer and had it ping all the way to Philadelphia.

Thank God they are not dealing with a very intelligent killer! Otherwise they might not have a case at all.

 

[TL4S]

Does anyone know what kind of phone CR had? I keep thinking of the 5-10 pm thing. I am wondering if their phones were pinging together during the 45 minutes and maybe they were able to isolate his. I hope that doesn’t mean he was cruising for a victim as early as 5pm. I am leaning toward him having a burner phone maybe.

That 5-10 time frame was announced by LE before they had CR on their radar, from what I could tell. But I bet they could match the data now!

 

[MistyWaters]

Even if Mollie had been reported missing as early as 9pm...it would have been too late.

I’m certain her mother would’ve concluded Mollie made other plans and the thought that she had met with foul play was the farthest thing from her mind. In the same scenario, I can’t imagine frantically calling LE because my 20 year old child didn’t arrive at a specified time for dinner....or LE engaging in an immediate all out search effort. The tragic outcome of this situation was very different but Mollie’s mother had absolutely no way of knowing that in advance.

 

[kpm]

Thank God they are not dealing with a very intelligent killer! Otherwise they might not have a case at all.

He could have just left, gotten new ID, fled to Mexico and it might never have been solved.

Thank goodness LE had video of his car, I don’t think the case would have broken without it or until harvest season