IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #41

[EuTuCroquet?]

I totally get it. You had no intention to imply it was anyone's fault. I think sometimes we are so sensitive that when anyone even sees something like, "It's too bad Mollies mom didn't call to check in with her," That's all they see and quickly jump in to defend them. (Not saying anyone said those words, just used as an example) That may be why your point was overlooked. No biggie!

Legitimate question: Do we know for certain that her mom didn’t check on her? I’m searching through these threads and the media threads, but I’m unable to find it. It doesn’t mean it isn’t there, though!

I mean, we know Mollie’s coworkers reported her when she didn’t call in or come to work.

I’ve seen reports from Dalton Jack, the boyfriend, who says he didn’t realize she was missing until he was contacted by her coworkers. He also said he then contacted her parents and friends, who (he says) hadn’t heard from Mollie since the night before.

But are we just assuming the parents didn’t attempt to contact her at all? Or are they on record stating that?

To be abundantly clear, I’m not questioning the parents or their actions at all. They are victims, too.

I’m just asking if it’s known as a fact that they didn’t check in on her. (I’m not asking whether or not they called police.) I believe they could have and likely might have, and it seems reasonable that they were worried about her.

Apologies if this has been answered already. This thread moves at lightning speed, and the substantial news coverage sometimes makes it even more challenging to find specific info! Thanks for any help answering this.

 

[MsBetsy]

Repeating/quoting MSM articles is fine, imo. To me, it underscores why a poster believes certain things to be true.

If someone else disagrees with an MSM report, or interprets it differently, it’s not logical to imply that the person who believes an acceptable and reliable source has to justify why the article is accurate.

Opinions such as yours are fine, too (obviously), and would ideally be stated as such.

Of course it's fine. I was specifically referring to some people who chose to go strictly by the facts. I'm not one of those people. But from what I've read, there are some people who chose to come to their conclusions based on the facts of the case and that is fine too!!!! Jmo!

 

[Mica]

That's what I'm wondering. From what I've read, the Fitbit will store the information until it syncs with the app. But what I don't know is if Fitbit company can somehow get that information without the Fitbit itself.

Looks like FitBits store info on their servers before syncing.

From FitBit Community from 2015

Question - How long can I go without syncing to my computer. Will fitbit store data until I have access to my computer and internet. Sometimes it may be 1-2 weeks before I will have internet access.

Answer -

This is the offical line from fitbit:

• All trackers have the ability to store up to 7 days of detailed minute-by-minute data. If you wait longer than 7 days before syncing, you may only see the most recent week's detailed data.
• Summary data (calories, distance, steps, and floors) will be stored for 30 days. If your tracker measures heart rate, summary heart rate data will be stored as well.

Solved: How long can I go without syncing to my computer? - Fitbit Community

 

[TL4S]

Looks like FitBits store info on their serves before syncing.

From FitBit Community from 2015

Question - How long can I go without syncing to my computer. Will fitbit store data until I have access to my computer and internet. Sometimes it may be 1-2 weeks before I will have internet access.

Answer -

This is the offical line from fitbit:

• All trackers have the ability to store up to 7 days of detailed minute-by-minute data. If you wait longer than 7 days before syncing, you may only see the most recent week's detailed data.
• Summary data (calories, distance, steps, and floors) will be stored for 30 days. If your tracker measures heart rate, summary heart rate data will be stored as well.

Solved: How long can I go without syncing to my computer? - Fitbit Community

Ah, so LE could have gotten her Fitbit data from the server without the actual Fitbit or phone. That helps, thank you!

 

[MsBetsy]

Legitimate question: Do we know for certain that her mom didn’t check on her? I’m searching through these threads and the media threads, but I’m unable to find it. It doesn’t mean it isn’t there, though!

I mean, we know Mollie’s coworkers reported her when she didn’t call in or come to work.

I’ve seen reports from Dalton Jack, the boyfriend, who says he didn’t realize she was missing until he was contacted by her coworkers. He also said he then contacted her parents and friends, who (he says) hadn’t heard from Mollie since the night before.

But are we just assuming the parents didn’t attempt to contact her at all? Or are they on record stating that?

To be abundantly clear, I’m not questioning the parents or their actions at all. They are victims, too.

I’m just asking if it’s known as a fact that they didn’t check in on her. (I’m not asking whether or not they called police.) I believe they could have and likely might have, and it seems reasonable that they were worried about her.

Apologies if this has been answered already. This thread moves at lightning speed, and the substantial news coverage sometimes makes it even more challenging to find specific info! Thanks for any help answering this.

As far as I know, from all accounts from the family, no-one stated that they checked on her. They really didn't seem to think anything was out of the ordinary at all until Dalton got a call from her co-worker the next day and began calling around to see if anyone knew where she was. When her brother told his Mom Mollie never showed up for work, she was reported missing right away, which was around 5:00- 5:30. Don't remember exact time.

 

[Al Hoffman]

If there was an accomplice, they would have turned on one another by now.

With CR driving the metaphorical bus! "He did it, I didn't. No, HE did it not me" is a possible defense against Murder One, and a way to drop the charges down to Murder Two with less than Life or the Needle, depending on how confident the DA feels about their case...but not in Iowa, and not in this case!

 

[MsBetsy]

Ah, so LE could have gotten her Fitbit data from the server without the actual Fitbit or phone. That helps, thank you!

Yeah, that sure does clear things up for me! It was discussed way back when but I couldn't remember exactly what was said about it, but I do have a vague recollection now that someone explained that. Couldn't say who! I wonder if everyone all along has known this to be the case except for a few of us who didn't have a clue.

 

[Mica]

Ah, so LE could have gotten her Fitbit data from the server without the actual Fitbit or phone. That helps, thank you!

Yes, that’s what I’m thinking and the reason for the FitBit warrant.

 

[kpm]

Legitimate question: Do we know for certain that her mom didn’t check on her? I’m searching through these threads and the media threads, but I’m unable to find it. It doesn’t mean it isn’t there, though!

I mean, we know Mollie’s coworkers reported her when she didn’t call in or come to work.

I’ve seen reports from Dalton Jack, the boyfriend, who says he didn’t realize she was missing until he was contacted by her coworkers. He also said he then contacted her parents and friends, who (he says) hadn’t heard from Mollie since the night before.

But are we just assuming the parents didn’t attempt to contact her at all? Or are they on record stating that?

To be abundantly clear, I’m not questioning the parents or their actions at all. They are victims, too.

I’m just asking if it’s known as a fact that they didn’t check in on her. (I’m not asking whether or not they called police.) I believe they could have and likely might have, and it seems reasonable that they were worried about her.

Apologies if this has been answered already. This thread moves at lightning speed, and the substantial news coverage sometimes makes it even more challenging to find specific info! Thanks for any help answering this.

IIRC, I don’t think anyone tried to contact her that night after 7-7:30 when she had texted DJ and her Mom

DJ got the Snapchat but didn’t respond

DJ sent a good morning text but realized it was never open after her co-workers called him

Her brother texted her about the car and didn’t get a response

I think her mother stated she had texted her during the day and didn’t get an answer and thought she must be busy at work.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Of course it's fine. I was specifically referring to some people who chose to go strictly by the facts. I'm not one of those people. But from what I've read, there are some people who chose to come to their conclusions based on the facts of the case and that is fine too!!!! Jmo!

Well, facts, ideally, would inform any opinions or speculation someone might have. To ignore facts isn’t particularly helpful, imo. This is a fact-based forum, after all.

Generally, we aren’t encouraged to entertain unsubstantiated rumor or grand hypotheticals that lack some sort of fact-based source. We are encouraged to state opinions as opinions so they’re not confused for assertions of fact.

I’m sorry if I’m misunderstanding your point. Lol. Maybe I’m agreeing with you?

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

As far as I know, from all accounts from the family, no-one stated that they checked on her. They really didn't seem to think anything was out of the ordinary at all until Dalton got a call from her co-worker the next day and began calling around to see if anyone knew where she was. When her brother told his Mom Mollie never showed up for work, she was reported missing right away, which was around 5:00- 5:30. Don't remember exact time.

Thank you

 

[Al Hoffman]

it sounds like she said okay to the brats not ok as to i’ll be there

MT was supposed to go to the DR in 2 weeks, and had dropped some weight during her Senior year and appeared to be conscious of her figure. And with the "Freshman 10" (lbs) while looking forward to being on the beach, maybe no Brats that night.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Those were your words not mine. I only said there will be no trial. I don't think the plea will be downward on the charges but maybe more as the other poster stated of better prison accommodation s. I guess we'll wait and see!

Why are some thinking he will plea? Have his attorneys said he wants to plea. Sorry..i have been busy with family and unable to read the latest media releases. Tia

I can't fathom the prosecutor agreeing to plea this case even if the attorneys for CR came to the DA wanting one. Imo they certainly wouldnt agree to a lesser charge. It may be possible if he pleaded to first degree murder and LWOP.

We have seen so many other defendants that had an overwhelming amount of damaging evidence against them yet most all of them pled NG..and went to trial. I don't think CR will be any different.

In many states the law requires the defendant to fully tell the judge exactly what he/she did if they plead guilty.

I am in agreement with other posters who have said they believe additional charges will be add. We have seen this happen in other cases that also involved an abduction and sexual assault. Usually at a later date the DA..will go to a grand jury to get additional indictments. There is no rush since he has already been charged with murder..

I think LE..knows much more even now than when they arrested him. Imo they have evidence showing he abducted her..then sexually assaulted her before murdering her and throwing her body in the cornfield. Imo I think the cornfield was where he chose to get rid of her body but the sexual assault or assaults may have taken place elsewhere. I think they have evidence she wasnt dead at the abduction site but lived for some time before he murdered her at another location.

Imo..this is why he waived his PH. PHs..are public hearings. Much can be learned in them about the details surrounding the involvement of the defendant. They are like mini trials and can last for a few days or many weeks.

The facts of this case will only worsen as they become known.
Imo

 

[TL4S]

Yeah, that sure does clear things up for me! It was discussed way back when but I couldn't remember exactly what was said about it, but I do have a vague recollection now that someone explained that. Couldn't say who! I wonder if everyone all along has known this to be the case except for a few of us who didn't have a clue.

That's my regular state of mind.

 

[SteveP]

MT was supposed to go to the DR in 2 weeks, and had dropped some weight during her Senior year and appeared to be conscious of her figure. And with the "Freshman 10" (lbs) while looking forward to being on the beach, maybe no Brats that night.

My "Freshman 10" was more like a Freshman 20, largely because of that Miller you were trying to slide down the bar to me earlier. Thankfully, I am not that guy anymore! (I only drink craft beers now)

 

[Deleted member 718]

yes dinner was an open invitation. it is only relevant if she intended to go and we don't know that for sure

Actually Mollie did confirm she was coming for dinner:

"Calderwood said she had exchanged several text messages with her daughter that afternoon.

“She had sent me a shopping list for a dessert she wanted to make and take to work,” she said. “I texted her that I got the ingredients and asked if she was coming home for dinner.”

According to Calderwood, Tibbetts said she would be home and asked what they were having. “Brats,” she replied. “Ok,” Tibbetts responded.

But dinner came and went, Calderwood said, and Tibbetts didn’t come home."

Disappearance of University of Iowa student Mollie Tibbetts remains a mystery

 

[Anthony D]

Absolutely they do. Around here, in small town Iowa, the football game is THE social event of the weekend. This is a SMALL, small town. Even if he didn't attend that school, he almost certainly would know and be friends with folks who did. (like his girlfriend /ex) It would definitely not be surprising to me to discoverhhe attended local games. Some community organization will often host a dinner before the game as a fund raiser that all kinds of people attend. CR may have a friend whose brother plays on the team, or a friend whose sisteris a cheerleader. The friend goes to the game and CR goes as well. Or a group of fellas may just go to hang out at the game. It happens weekly around here, all Fall long...

I still think it would look creepy if his intention was to pickup teenage girls between the ages of 16-18.

 

[Crystal Regan]

MT was supposed to go to the DR in 2 weeks, and had dropped some weight during her Senior year and appeared to be conscious of her figure. And with the "Freshman 10" (lbs) while looking forward to being on the beach, maybe no Brats that night.

What? Brats aren’t healthy..now you tell me.

 

[TL4S]

A few things for those interested. Anything I should add?

1) My map of key locations. (Pig Farm is the green circle at the bottom - forgot to label)
2) Cell Phone Towers
3) LE's points of interest map
4) Affidavit
5) Malibu and Nissan towed photo

 

[Anthony D]

Looks like FitBits store info on their servers before syncing.

From FitBit Community from 2015

Question - How long can I go without syncing to my computer. Will fitbit store data until I have access to my computer and internet. Sometimes it may be 1-2 weeks before I will have internet access.

Answer -

This is the offical line from fitbit:

• All trackers have the ability to store up to 7 days of detailed minute-by-minute data. If you wait longer than 7 days before syncing, you may only see the most recent week's detailed data.
• Summary data (calories, distance, steps, and floors) will be stored for 30 days. If your tracker measures heart rate, summary heart rate data will be stored as well.

Solved: How long can I go without syncing to my computer? - Fitbit Community

So I'm still a bit confused. If the phone was destroyed would the heart rate data still be active? Therefore if the fitbit was still on her at the time of death it should hypothetically tell us when the heart stopped beating correct? Even if the phone was not near it?

We also still have no confirmation of the current location of the phone/fitbit?