Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #44

[Confusion]

I will be curious to find out some day (I hope) if he got rid of the murder weapon during his "blocked out" time period, or if he has a different excuse for not giving up that information. It wouldn't surprise me if one of the disappearing men took it with him, but it also wouldn't surprise me if they know nothing about where it is.

 

[MyBelle]

Criminal matters are heard in criminal court, and civil matters are heard in civil court -- they're different jurisdictions. The charge of record is 1st degree murder. Driving without a valid drivers license has never been charged, and if/when it is, it will not be heard in criminal court regardless how much you want it to be.

Good grief. Driving without a license IS a crime in Iowa and it is not charged in civil court. The fact that CR was driving without a license most certainly can be brought up in his criminal proceeding without him being charged with the actual offense.

 

[MyBelle]

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[MyBelle]

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[wary]

No, I certainly didn’t say CR is innocent - he confessed. But it’s a reason why he might not implicate others who were also involved.

And a code of honour can run the opposite direction as well. His friends/coworkers didn’t report him to LE yet I think it’d be really amazing if he didn’t incur any bruises or cuts, nobody connected a car wash, noticed no unusual behaviour, nothing suspicious whatsoever by those who knew him best.

I think it's more likely that his coworkers didn't think of him as a possible murderer, rather than that they deliberately shielded someone they thought was a murderer.

Remember how LE took several weeks to tell the general public to be aware of this sort of thing--cuts and bruises, car wash, changes in behavior, etc.

So--I don't know how work on a dairy farm is scheduled--but one thing is certain, it's not a Monday to Friday job. I suspect that days tend to blur together, and after four weeks it'd be really hard to remember when your coworker had scratched hands, and when he was such a nice guy and got the car washed.

 

[Confusion]

Good grief. Driving without a license IS a crime in Iowa and it is not charged in civil court. The fact that CR was driving without a license most certainly can be brought up in his criminal proceeding without him being charged with the actual offense.

If Iowa is like most states, driving without a license is a crime that won't be charged in civil or criminal court, it would be in traffic court. MOO

 

[wary]

So why does there appear to be such a huge discussion in regard to the car if it won't even be a factor in the trial?

I think the car may well be a huge factor in the murder trial--that is, assuming that blood, hair, or anything else that can be connected to Mollie, are found in the trunk, or elsewhere in the car.

I suspect that the whole registered/non-registered, licensed/non-licensed issue isn't going to come up.

 

[MyBelle]

If Iowa is like most states, driving without a license is a crime that won't be charged in civil or criminal court, it would be in traffic court. MOO

Traffic court isn't civil, it is criminal. Some traffic offenses are felonies.

 

[wary]

So why does there appear to be such a huge discussion in regard to the car if it won't even be a factor in the trial?

I think the car may well be a huge factor in the murder trial--that is, assuming that blood, hair, or anything else that can be connected to Mollie, are found in the trunk, or elsewhere in the car.

I suspect that the whole registered/non-registered, licensed/non-licensed issue isn't going to come up. Or car insurance, for that matter!

 

[MyBelle]

I think the car may well be a huge factor in the murder trial--that is, assuming that blood, hair, or anything else that can be connected to Mollie, are found in the trunk, or elsewhere in the car.

I suspect that the whole registered/non-registered, licensed/non-licensed issue isn't going to come up. Or car insurance, for that matter!

How could it not come up? It wasn't CR's car and he didn't have a license. That's a crime just as entering the country without authorization is a crime. Why wouldn't the prosecution point this out to the jury? It's an undisputed fact.

 

[Tricia]

Hi Everyone,

Time to lock it up for the night.

See you in the morning.
Tricia

 

[Harmony 2]

Good morning... the thread is now open for posting.. remember to stay on topic about Mollie's case details. Sillybilly had to remove over 50 posts last night because they veered off topic.

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[kpm]

Absolutely the car will be tested for evidence, but that was not your question. I'm sure LE is looking at every car available to CR during the 5 weeks Mollie missing, looking for the murder weapon.

I never asked that question, I know the answer and it’s yes, it will be used in the murder trial and possibly in a civil suit if one is filed.

I was simply responding to your assertion it would not be used in a murder trial

You responded to the question below by saying “not in a murder trial”

“Didn't they say at first the car was stolen? Or at least registered to someone else? Do we know for sure who actually owns the car? Would it even be a factor in the trial?’

 

[di anna]

What is the normal timeframe for news to come forth about a case like this?

 

[TL4S]

Remember the gun picture (see attachment)? Supposedly the photo isn't his, but it's on his FB, correct?

Okay, so yes, there are guns displayed prominently on that bed, but there is also what looks like an iPod, an iPad, a cell phone, some other small items I can't make out, and one or more ID's sprawled among those guns. JMO, but that looks like a brag picture of stolen goods. Everything on there would have been worth money in 2004, when the picture was taken. Did CR use this pic because of the guns, or because it represented crime of some sort?

His FB lists Grand Theft Auto (GTA) as a favorite, as well. Does all this say anything about CR? Maybe, or maybe not. JMO

We know (via 40+ thread pages - ugh) that he used a fake ID and a fake/stolen SSN, and we know he'll drive without a license. It's obvious he is not above breaking the law, and with his FB gun (and possibly stolen goods) pic and GTA mention, isn't it possible the guy is just hot into crime? Not to mention what he did to MT.

I don't buy the shy, kept-to-himself type, either. MOO - He looks like a punk.

Also of note, IMO a lot of his FB pics appear to be selfies of him dressed to go out (partying, clubing, etc.). So, I looked up Mexican dance clubs in Iowa (NOT being racist - another of his FB favorites was a Mexican singer) and the first thing to come up is a place called Caliente Night Club in Iowa City (less than an hour from Brooklyn). Areas around Des Moines and Marshalltown are also listed in the top 10 Iowa Cities with the highest Hispanic population. My point is, wouldn't it make sense for CR to go out like any other young, single guy normally stuck on a farm in the middle of rural Iowa? If he was traveling to neighboring cities to party, then I'd also wager to bet he'd travel around to sell stolen goods to a bigger city fence. MOO

I'm not saying this IS what CR is all about, but there are enough red flags to at least make me curious. I've long wondered that if MT's phone was not still on her, if maybe it wasn't sold.

 

[kpm]

Remember the gun picture (see attachment)? Supposedly the photo isn't his, but it's on his FB, correct?

Okay, so yes, there are guns displayed prominently on that bed, but there is also what looks like an iPod, an iPad, a cell phone, some other small items I can't make out, and one or more ID's sprawled among those guns. JMO, but that looks like a brag picture of stolen goods. Everything on there would have been worth money in 2004, when the picture was taken. Did CR use this pic because of the guns, or because it represented crime of some sort?

His FB lists Grand Theft Auto (GTA) as a favorite, as well. Does this say anything about CR? Maybe, or maybe not. JMO

We know (via 40+ thread pages - ugh) that he used a fake ID and a fake/stolen SSN, and we know he'll drive without a license. It's obvious he is not above breaking the law, and with his FB gun (and possibly stolen goods) pic and GTA mention, isn't it possible the guy is just hot into crime? Not to mention what he did to MT.

I don't buy the shy, kept-to-himself type, either. MOO - He looks like a ****.

Also of note, IMO a lot of his FB pics appear to be selfies of him dressed to go out (partying, clubing, etc.). So, I looked up Mexican dance clubs in Iowa (NOT being racist - another of his FB favorites was a Mexican singer) and the first thing to come up is a place called Caliente Night Club in Iowa City (less than an hour from Brooklyn). Des Moines and Marshalltown are also listed in the top 10 Iowa Cities with the highest Hispanic population. My point is, wouldn't it make sense for CR to go out like any other young, single guy normally stuck on a farm in the middle of rural Iowa? If he was traveling to neighboring cities to party, then I'd also wager to bet he'd travel around to sell stolen goods to a bigger city fence. MOO

I'm not saying this IS what CR is all about, but there are enough red flags to at least make me curious. I've long wondered that if MT's phone was not still on her, if maybe it wasn't sold.

Will be very interesting to see what LE collected from his house or trailer

That FB pic does look like a bragging badge of honor, IMO

 

[kc1023]

Well, regarding the two cars being towed... I feel like crime/evidence vehicles are towed on a flatbed to preserve evidence (dirt, grass, etc. underneath the car or in the wheels can be tied to a specific area) so it isn't lost during transport. I don't know if that's always the case but it seems that whenever you see a crime tow the vehicle is on a flatbed. JMO but I think if that second car was being towed as evidence they would have put it on a flatbed also.

 

[kpm]

Well, regarding the two cars being towed... I feel like crime/evidence vehicles are towed on a flatbed to preserve evidence (dirt, grass, etc. underneath the car or in the wheels can be tied to a specific area) so it isn't lost during transport. I don't know if that's always the case but it seems that whenever you see a crime tow the vehicle is on a flatbed. JMO but I think if that second car was being towed as evidence they would have put it on a flatbed also.

If it’s part of the investigate possibly it was seen in other video circling around town?

We don’t know yet

But I agree, the flatbed preserves evidence

 

[JenniD]

Will be very interesting to see what LE collected from his house or trailer

That FB pic does look like a bragging badge of honor, IMO

I agree with the picture looking like a bragging picture. I had not noticed the ID laying on the bed. Too bad we can't zoom in and read it . Picture is dated 2004 so CR would have only been 10 years old at the time and presumably still in Mexico.

 

[kpm]

I agree with the picture looking like a bragging picture. I had not noticed the ID laying on the bed. Too bad we can't zoom in and read it . Picture is dated 2004 so CR would have only been 10 years old at the time and presumably still in Mexico.

Right, the pic may be a random cut and paste but he had a reason he wanted that pic in his profile, IMO

To send a message is my guess, which is really stupid given his status

ETA

Wasn’t there some controversy about handing over social media as part of the vetting process?

Found it...

US to require would-be immigrants to turn over social media handles - CNNPolitics

 

[kpm]

I think it's more likely that his coworkers didn't think of him as a possible murderer, rather than that they deliberately shielded someone they thought was a murderer.

Remember how LE took several weeks to tell the general public to be aware of this sort of thing--cuts and bruises, car wash, changes in behavior, etc.

So--I don't know how work on a dairy farm is scheduled--but one thing is certain, it's not a Monday to Friday job. I suspect that days tend to blur together, and after four weeks it'd be really hard to remember when your coworker had scratched hands, and when he was such a nice guy and got the car washed.

It will be very interesting to find out if he had any wounds.

Usually when it’s multiple “stabbing” it’s messy and the weapon tends to slip through their hands, an ax may be different though

Moo