Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #44

[Charliegizmo49]

I'm from South Louisiana, same deal. Though in real life coral snakes don't really want to bite anyone, some people have to work at it.

Don’t like any of the species. Period. Had a king snake in grandfathers lanai in San Diego as an 8 year old.

I screamed and didn’t stop till I lost my voice. Didn’t have any effect that this snake was my friend.

 

[rebel123]

Correct. HUNDREDS OF COWS HAVE TO BE MILKED NOT ONCE BUT TWICE A DAY. EARLY MORNING AND EVENING.

They have 800 cows on the farm; that's a lot of cows.

 

[rebel123]

Perhaps, but Rivera has admitted that when he arrived at the body location, Mollie was in the trunk with a bleeding head wound. Wouldn't that suggest that at the time of abduction, Mollie was hit hard in the head, and after they arrived at the body location, she was stabbed?

I think your saying he stabbed Mollie in the cornfield; if your saying that; then his 'blocked out memory' is a 'load of tripe'.

 

[Al Hoffman]

I don't see how a driver's license, or lack thereof, supports the argument of first degree murder.

Yes you are right. There just has been a lot of discussion and righteous indignation over CR getting away with violating other laws leading up to the murder. Many law abiding WS's want to see every charge possible, for his violation of laws they must follow, piled on top of him. None of the Traffic and MV operation charges matter when CR is facing certain life without parole, and have no place in a murder trial. Though, the expense and sight of Deputies wasting their time to perp walk a handcuffed and shackled CR in a bullet proof vest into Traffic Court for these charges would be funny (and make Iowa a laughingstock), and give WS's something else to talk about. LE has more important things to do, then to deal with trivia like Traffic Court or MV charges in the middle of a high profile murder investigation!

It's kind of a schadenfreude'ish indignation thing, if you get my meaning.

Otto, do you ever watch "The Big Bang Theory"....

 

[otto]

I think your saying he stabbed Mollie in the cornfield; if your saying that; then his 'blocked out memory' is a 'load of tripe'.

Not really. He said that he saw Mollie running, parked his car, ran with her, she threatened him, and his memory from that time until he was at the cornfield is blank. His memory recovered at the cornfield and he realized that Mollie was in his trunk.

What happened after he arrived at the cornfield is apparently not part of his memory problem.

He will try to argue that all injuries occurred during his memory problem, but I suspect the evidence will support a head injury in the trunk. Blood evidence of a head injury will look different than blood evidence of multiple stabbings. The prosecution will want to prove that the sharp object attack occurred in the cornfield.

 

[otto]

Yes you are right. There just has been a lot of discussion and righteous indignation over CR getting away with violating other laws leading up to the murder. May law abiding WS's want to see every charge possible, for his violation of laws they must follow, piled on top of him. None of the Traffic and MV operation charges matter when CR is facing certain life without parole., and have no place in a murder trial. Though, the expense and sight of Deputies wasting their time to perp walk a handcuffed and shackled CR in a bullet proof vest into Traffic Court for these charges would be funny (and make Iowa a laughingstock), and give WS's something else to talk about. LE has more important things to do, then to deal with trivia like Traffic court or MV charges in the middle of a high profile murder investigation!

It's kind of a schadenfreude'ish indignation thing, if you get my meaning.

Otto, do you ever watch "The Big Bang Theory"....

Doesn't everyone?

 

[Charliegizmo49]

They have 800 cows on the farm; that's a lot of cows.

It’s two milk trucks a day minimum. I’ll have to check. Jeez. It’s hard work. Never ends.

 

[Mica]

The other, older system is the SSNVS, and it can be accessed on line or by calling 1-800-772-6270 to speak with an agent. This system is only to verify SSNs for W-2 Forms, and not for I-9 verifications per se. But it is OK and LEGAL to use in Iowa to "vet" farm workers for employment as the law does not mandate E-Verify use. The SSVNS handbook even notes that the phone access to the system is for the use of farmers hiring workers. Either system only "vets" the info on the new hire supplied documents, not anything about the person presenting the documents. The SSNVS use handbook specifically cautions about taking action against an applicant based on info from the system over immigration issues because any such action could "subject the employer to anti-discrimination or labor law sanctions", and to NOT use information from the system to take punitive action action against an applicant for this reason. Also, under Federal EEOC Law, the employer is forbidden from asking the applicant ANY question about race or national origin.

When you use E-Verify you must display a Government supplied poster in the hiring location, in Spanish and English, saying that you do so. If not, there must be a page in the application paperwork containing the same info. This is a sign to an illegal worker that they must present verifying ID that will pass the E-verify systems check, meaning that the SSN is valid, the name matches the SSN, the actual SSN holder is not dead, and the name/SSN combo is not on any DHS/HS "lists". The poster does not say "illegals don't apply here" If your bogus documents are good, the E-Verify system says your papers are good, you work. Biometric IDs are not common yet, E-Verify only vets the paperwork info, not the worker in his boots.

Apparently, the people creating the fake documents can use the SSNVN system to verify if the SSN is "good". The system will tell you if the SSN is on the deceased SSN holders registry.

Yes, as you described the E-verify system in your post (thank you, by the way,) all the more reason I don’t understand the farm spokesperson’s confusion as to initially saying CR was vetted through E-verify when they didn’t even have the system in place. They had to know the SSNVS system was not one in the same as E-verify, as they claimed. JMO

 

[rebel123]

Perhaps, but Rivera has admitted that when he arrived at the body location, Mollie was in the trunk with a bleeding head wound. Wouldn't that suggest that at the time of abduction, Mollie was hit hard in the head, and after they arrived at the body location, she was stabbed?

If the evidence is there and the prosecution can prove what you say; then CR is 100% toast.

 

[Al Hoffman]

Don’t like any of the species. Period. Had a king snake in grandfathers lanai in San Diego as an 8 year old.

I screamed and didn’t stop till I lost my voice. Didn’t have any effect that this snake was my friend.

PLEASE don't anyone kill King Snakes as they kill and eat venomous snakes. That is why they are called "King" snakes. They are nature friends to all of us. You WANT to see King snakes on your property. Thus is a GOOD thing. I don't particularly care for snakes either, and I feel bad that you were frightened as a child by a good snake species.

 

[The Farm]

It’s two milk trucks a day minimum. I’ll have to check. Jeez. It’s hard work. Never ends.

Your right Charlie, it is usually an AM & PM pick up.

 

[rebel123]

It’s two milk trucks a day minimum. I’ll have to check. Jeez. It’s hard work. Never ends.

O.K. there is good news on the way; Robots will take over such tasks in the future; I could go into 'War and Peace' on it; two possible outcomes; firstly you will fall asleep, secondly the guys on the thread will throw 'hubcaps' at me!!

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Doesn't everyone?

At most it will pertain to a pattern of behavior. I don’t think iowa is going after him for it. Waste of time resources and public perception. They certainly have quite enough on their plate now.

If this goes to trial it will easily exceed a million dollars. Perhaps two. Sorry I always lean back to my budget years. And I bet Iowa will be adding money to the state trooper budget. The state prosecutors budget and allocating more from the county to the sheriffs budget.

Heck DOT will submit a bill for blocking the road for the time when she was recovered. And the MEs Office. Hotels for STATE EMPLOYEES who searched. Not to mention the $$ spent by the feds. Drone and chopper time.

Ok I’m done. Too much rant this am. I’m over it. These cases come at a serious cost to taxpayers. It’s a crime against everyone.

 

[rebel123]

Not really. He said that he saw Mollie running, parked his car, ran with her, she threatened him, and his memory from that time until he was at the cornfield is blank. His memory recovered at the cornfield and he realized that Mollie was in his trunk.

What happened after he arrived at the cornfield is apparently not part of his memory problem.

He will try to argue that all injuries occurred during his memory problem, but I suspect the evidence will support a head injury in the trunk. Blood evidence of a head injury will look different than blood evidence of multiple stabbings. The prosecution will want to prove that the sharp object attack occurred in the cornfield.

That's not how I've understood the sequence of events; I'll revisit the info that's available.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Your right Charlie, it is usually an AM & PM pick up.

Yup. Grew up in the heart of fresh unpasteurized right out of the barn cooler cream and ready made butter. Every morning.

 

[otto]

If the evidence is there and the prosecution can prove what you say; then CR is 100% toast.

Mollie's clothing was found at the location where her body was found. How does he explain that? She was wearing clothes when she was abducted, and according to the warrant they were found at the same location as her body. Are the sharp object cuts only on the body, or also on the clothing?

How much blood is in the trunk? Where is it located? Does it suggest multiple injuries, or a head wound (known to bleed profusely).

"In clinical circles, it is well known that even “trivial” lacerations of blood-rich areas such as the scalp may bleed profusely and persistently."

Fatal hemorrhage from simple lacerations of the scalp

If there was one head injury prior to arrival at the cornfield, there should be one pool of blood indicating the position of her head in the trunk. If she had multiple fatal knife injuries when she was in the trunk, there should be several blood pooling areas in the trunk.

I'm confident that the prosecution will be able to prove that Mollie was attacked with the sharp object at the cornfield.

 

[cody22]

At most it will pertain to a pattern of behavior. I don’t think iowa is going after him for it. Waste of time resources and public perception. They certainly have quite enough on their plate now.

If this goes to trial it will easily exceed a million dollars. Perhaps two. Sorry I always lean back to my budget years. And I bet Iowa will be adding money to the state trooper budget. The state prosecutors budget and allocating more from the county to the sheriffs budget.

Heck DOT will submit a bill for blocking the road for the time when she was recovered. And the MEs Office. Hotels for STATE EMPLOYEES who searched. Not to mention the $$ spent by the feds. Drone and chopper time.

Ok I’m done. Too much rant this am. I’m over it. These cases come at a serious cost to taxpayers. It’s a crime against everyone.

Maybe Yarrabee farms will pick up part of the monetary loss to the community and state ?

 

[Kaylas]

I think it's been stated previously; that the townspeople probably knew who was and was not an illegal immigrant. It's, it's own 'eco system'; if that makes sense.

When dairy farmers, plant growers, or other industries rely on migrant workers to turn a profit, I doubt that they are too concerned if a few workers are undocumented. It’s the reality of their ‘ecosystem’. I continue to find myself wanting to comment on Rivera’s stolen identity; that of John Budd. Usually families from, Honduras, El Salvador and Columbia have last names that are hyphenated; Mom’s maiden name and fathers name.
It is highly suspect that Rivera didn’t match a profile of a male with the last name Budd.

My opinion is that CR had violent behaviors (underlying emotional disorders) before landing in Iowa. Their are individuals that tend to be predisposed to violence.

I also believe that if he hadn’t been caught, there may have been future attacks on women that he viewed as his prey.

 

[SharonNeedles]

That's exactly what I was talking about when I said it seemed he had problems connecting to people. Too much a coward to talk to them in person, and instead hid behind his computer and continued to message them, even after one had turned him down. In Mollies case he just took what he wanted. Imo

You should maybe look into him a little deeper. Dude definitely didn’t have a problem “connecting” with people - MOO

 

[otto]

That's not how I've understood the sequence of events; I'll revisit the info that's available.

What do you think happened after he abducted her and put her in the trunk?