Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #44

[kpm]

That dog looks guilty of something to me.... We all may need to consider "sleuthing" that handsome , but guilty looking dog.

I wish I knew how to post a YouTube!

 

[SharonNeedles]

Right, that's what I mean. All we have to go on is what people have said. But imo, its also what people have not said that indicate his relationship skills are not so great. We have not heard anyone come forward and say he was a great guy, he was caring and would never hurt a fly, or things to that effect. I think it was said he had a temper by someone, but I'm not sure if that was verified or not. The only thing we can assume by what we have heard is that he was quiet, did not speak much, was innapropriate towards women ( if those stories are even true) and was a hard worker. In fact he went right back to work and acted completely normal just hours after he had chased down Mollie and viciously ended her life. But the psychologists will dig deeper, and I'm confident they will be able to discern a great deal just by their interviews with him. And then of course there is the testing, which I feel will reveal a remorseless, deceitful person who lacks empathy and hasn't a conscience. Narcissistic Personality at the least. That much we can at least assume by his behavior. Will be interesting to hear the results, if we ever do. Jmo

Not sure what’s acceptable to say here and what’s not so I’ll be intentionally vague. I’ve had connections to many of names associated with Mollie’s case since the day she went missing. I had friend-of-my-friend connections at best, mostly because I’m way older than 20 and don’t live in Brooklyn. My connections to CR’s friends are more distant still because his social circle is almost exclusively Hispanic, but it was inevitable that I could work my way deeper and find connections. That said, I’ve managed to converse with people that have actually been around him and are in a position to say first-hand what he was like. I’ve actually invited one of them to join us on WebSlueths to discuss but I don’t know whether she will or not. At any rate, the picture I’m getting is not at all what’s being described here.

 

[otto]

Not having a driver's license is just one example in a long list of CR's deceptive character and total disregard of laws. He stole someone's identity and presented it as his own. He threw away Mollie's body. CR is devoid of empathy and the prosecutor's job is to paint a big picture for the jury. JMO

The prosecutor's job is to convict the suspect of first degree murder using only that information that is relevant to the case. There is no proof that the suspect is "devoid of empathy", but there is proof that Mollie received multiple sharp object injuries causing death.

 

[Crystal Regan]

What a cutie!

He is guilty of hiding a rawhide bone and a drumstick today! Hoardingest dog I’ve ever seen. Tomorrow we will spend two hours sleuthing said bones!

 

[1987]

I might not should be typing this as I don't have my own head wrapped around it very well at this moment, every time I think I might be getting my head solidly around it, it seems to excape. that said I am going to try to ask a question...

we know that CR at least in name did not have a DL, has been said the car was not registered to him. we know he used a different name for work. so if his body and entity that inhabits that body had a DL or car or whatever with a different name on it than what LE is using as the name for that body and entity they would consider that whatever wasn't his as in not CR or that it didn't belong to the same body and entity? it would not be or would be understood to belong to that body and entity no matter the name? it is all clear as mud to me about name he is know to by LE and fake name and who knows if there are any other assumed names and how he may or may not have used any name he may or may not have used. i think i am trying to ask that even if something did belong or was owned by the same body and entity that that doesn't matter if he used a different name? maybe I am down a hole with those critters Al was warning about a couple days ago?

 

[MsBetsy]

FB shows CR having met IM on June 15, 2013. There was a photo of them together with his arms around her in Dec. 2014, and baby pictures in the summer of 2015. That's at least two years they were together, and I thought I had read somewhere that they both lived in the trailer for one year after baby (although I'm not sure about that). JMO I'm not "sleuthing" IM, or connecting her in any way, I'm only trying to make sense of CR's timeline.

I just mentioned it as an example of his past relationships, but there is verification that it was a one year relationship, someone supplied the article yesterday, I think. There's also a article that states they haven't spoken in three years and another stating they lived in the brown trailer together and she moved to her mom's when he was arrested. I guess we can assume they were an actual couple for a short time and he remained on good terms with the mother of his child as he apparently saw the child often. It's also not uncommon to have intimate relations once in a while with the baby's mom even when not in a committed relationship. I just don't get the impression that he had many serious meaningful relationships. Maybe his tendency to kill women has a role in that.

 

[Crystal Regan]

I was reading where YF said that it has had a couple of it’s immigrant workers disappear since CR was arrested. Do you think the defense team will try to shift blame in that direction?

 

[MsBetsy]

If you follow breadcrumbs from what we've learned about his relationships, you can find a couple of photos of him smiling.

Thanks, I will search for them.

 

[MyBelle]

I would think that is based on murderers who knew the victim since the majority of victims are killed by someone they knew. I have seen many cases where the suspect/s covered the face on the ones they murdered due to having a close personal relationship. Such as parents murdering their children/spousal murder or bf/gf or children murdering parent/s and or siblings. There seems to be a close personal connection somehow.

I do not think that remotely applies to Mollies case or CR. LE said they have found no connection that shows they knew each other.

Imo covering her body was done trying to hide the murdered victim he had discarded hoping it wasnt found by searchers or birds which may have alerted LE to the location.

Imo this had nothing to do with his remorse...i don't think he had an ounce of remorse or an emotional attachment. This was done hoping she wouldn't be found.

As far as using a deadly knife..it wasn't about having a personal attachment to his victim imo. He chose a knife because that was his weapon of choice. Instead of using a firearm he preferred his victim had a more prolonged painful death. He wanted her to see who was going to take her life by having to look in his eyes and feel his breath.

If he had used a firearm he could have shot her in the back of the head instantly killing her and wouldn't have had to face her as he took her life. But he wanted to end her life...face to face and that is why he preferred an up close choice of weapon imo. Rage is also an emotional response which I do believe he had.

He kept getting rejected even before Mollie rejected him like the others. This time he was going to make sure Mollie had no way to reject him. Imo he had already planned when he knew Mollie would reject him too but it wouldnt matter for he was going to take what he came to get. He was going to make sure she had no choice about what was going to happen to her from the moment he abducted her..all through the rape and during the time it took him to end her beautiful life. This time rejection wouldn't be an option. This time he came prepared to have full power and control to the very end. Imo he knew what he had come prepared to do and he carried it all out.

Imo

You raise excellent points and ITA.

If what CR said is true about Mollie threatening to call LE, I think it entirely possible he had approached her previously and she politely declined and thought nothing more of it. The other young women who have come forward only did so after CR's arrest. I believe CR wanted a "thrill kill" and he hunted MT down with the intent of killing her and hiding her body. He could very well have become a serial killer and that's the reason he didn't return to Mexico. JMO

 

[kpm]

I was reading where YF said that it has had a couple of it’s immigrant workers disappear since CR was arrested. Do you think the defense team will try to shift blame in that direction?

It’s a good possibility...

Something like this.......

During block out he doesn’t know what happened, there were 2 other guys in the car with him and now have vanished, they were only known as Joe Jones and Sam Smith at the farm but we have no way to track them down because the farm hired illegals without really checking to much into their backgrounds

Create reasonable doubt.....

Kinda like how the Anthony case was manipulated?

 

[MyBelle]

The prosecutor's job is to convict the suspect of first degree murder using only that information that is relevant to the case. There is no proof that the suspect is "devoid of empathy", but there is proof that Mollie received multiple sharp object injuries causing death.

It is just my opinion he is devoid of empathy. I think anyone who abducts and murders is devoid of empathy. If you want to disagree, that's okay with me.

For the last time because I posted the link to Iowa criminal procedure: The LE investigation included finding the vehicle on video, finding the owner, finding CR, determining CR's immigration status because he used fraudulent identity documents. If you want to believe the prosecutor isn't going to include that part of the criminal investigation that's also okay with me. JMO

 

[Jim G]

this case reminds me of the boston strangler, who led an otherwise normal life with wifey and ninos...the girlfriend is very pash

 

[Confusion]

I've heard these things before, and feel profoundly skeptical of them.

I'm sure it's true in some cases, but...I think that covering the body indicates a hope that people will not find it as soon, which will increase the chances of the perp getting away with the crime.

And I think that the use of a knife might mean that the perp doesn't have access to a gun, or doesn't want to attract the attention that a gun shot might cause. There's also multiple psychological reasons why someone might use a knife, that wouldn't indicate an emotional connection to the particular victim.

I may be in the minority here, but I don't believe CR left home with plans to kill anyone, and I haven't seen anything stating there was a knife used other than pure speculation. I think it's at least as likely that the reason she had "sharp force" injuries is that he used what he had on hand to attack her. It could very well have been a knife he had on him, but it could also have been a screwdriver or awl that was in the car or a bottle he broke and cut her with, or any number of other things that might be found in a car (especially the trunk). The only reason I might think it shows a preference for that type of weapon is that there were probably at least as many items in the car (or even on the ground) that could have been used to cause blunt force injuries. MOO

I just mentioned it as an example of his past relationships, but there is verification that it was a one year relationship, someone supplied the article yesterday, I think. There's also a article that states they haven't spoken in three years and another stating they lived in the brown trailer together and she moved to her mom's when he was arrested. I guess we can assume they were an actual couple for a short time and he remained on good terms with the mother of his child as he apparently saw the child often. It's also not uncommon to have intimate relations once in a while with the baby's mom even when not in a committed relationship. I just don't get the impression that he had many serious meaningful relationships. Maybe his tendency to kill women has a role in that.

I hope that not having any/many long term relationships doesn't mean you're likely to kill somebody! My longest relationship in my life has been less than 5 years (probably closer to 3), the last serious relationship I had was about 25 years ago, and the last relationship I've had of any kind was close to 20 years ago; unless you count my "fiance" - we met when I was about 14-15, when we were in our early 30's we decided we'd get married when we hit our 80's if we were both alive and single by then, so far, so good (but I haven't even talked to him in close to 10 years.) It took me a while to figure it out, but I believe that some of us just aren't cut out to be part of a couple. I love being single, and I don't regret for a minute the decision to stay this way. MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

Not sure what’s acceptable to say here and what’s not so I’ll be intentionally vague. I’ve had connections to many of names associated with Mollie’s case since the day she went missing. I had friend-of-my-friend connections at best, mostly because I’m way older than 20 and don’t live in Brooklyn. My connections to CR’s friends are more distant still because his social circle is almost exclusively Hispanic, but it was inevitable that I could work my way deeper and find connections. That said, I’ve managed to converse with people that have actually been around him and are in a position to say first-hand what he was like. I’ve actually invited one of them to join us on WebSlueths to discuss but I don’t know whether she will or not. At any rate, the picture I’m getting is not at all what’s being described here.

I'm sure when he was around those he knew best he was more open and wouldn't have been as quiet and shy. He felt comfortable enough to ask a few girls out. Of course alcohol or some other drug would help with that. But from what we have heard he didnt drink. It seems from what we have read that he persued several women, but not neccessarily after he got to know them, just because they were there. Their descriptions seem to be conflicting. Also I'm sure people that were friendly with him and liked him would describe him in more favorable terms. There are some people who seem extremely shy and barely say a word in a formal setting, but out in "the streets" or wherever they hang out, are more social and outspoken. I just can't see Rivera having a bubbling, charismatic personality or someone who is compassionate or considerate of others. How could he have done what he did if so? What people outwardly show to their friends is not necessarily a reflection of what's inside. He may just be very good at imitating a certain type of personality. Jmo

 

[MsBetsy]

I may be in the minority here, but I don't believe CR left home with plans to kill anyone, and I haven't seen anything stating there was a knife used other than pure speculation. I think it's at least as likely that the reason she had "sharp force" injuries is that he used what he had on hand to attack her. It could very well have been a knife he had on him, but it could also have been a screwdriver or awl that was in the car or a bottle he broke and cut her with, or any number of other things that might be found in a car (especially the trunk). The only reason I might think it shows a preference for that type of weapon is that there were probably at least as many items in the car (or even on the ground) that could have been used to cause blunt force injuries. MOO


I hope that not having any/many long term relationships doesn't mean you're likely to kill somebody! My longest relationship in my life has been less than 5 years (probably closer to 3), the last serious relationship I had was about 25 years ago, and the last relationship I've had of any kind was close to 20 years ago; unless you count my "fiance" - we met when I was about 14-15, when we were in our early 30's we decided we'd get married when we hit our 80's if we were both alive and single by then, so far, so good (but I haven't even talked to him in close to 10 years.) It took me a while to figure it out, but I believe that some of us just aren't cut out to be part of a couple. I love being single, and I don't regret for a minute the decision to stay this way. MOO

No, I don't believe there is a correlation between length of relationships and likelihood of committing murder. I think it is a bit more complex than that. Imo

 

[KaaBoom]

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[Charliegizmo49]

Every now and again especially when I’m on the way to church I take close stock for all I have to be grateful for in my life.

Today I thought about Mollie.

A good girl.

A nurturing young woman.

As the LE pr guy said,

A PHENOMENAL DAUGHTER

and dead.

Murdered at the hand of a man

Who admitted not to stabbing her

Not to the probable assault

But to discarding her as if she was trash.

Hiding her petite body on the dirt

Of a field he may have worked.

On a road he knew

In a town he adopted

With the help of his Uncle

So he could send money

To help his poverty stricken family

Live a happier better life.

And when he failed

He took the hope and dreams

Of so many we will never know.

None can make certain sense of exactly

What he did or ever know why

 

[MsBetsy]

Strange how we all have our own thoughts on him, lol

I see him as desperate to get noticed, he loves his selfies and tight pants and earrings, he’s advertising

Jmo

I definitely see that too! Its obvious he is trying to impress ( love those skinny jeans and the pink shirt) but almost as if he is trying too hard. That's where I see the insecurity. Still looking for the smiling pictures!

 

[MsBetsy]

I might not should be typing this as I don't have my own head wrapped around it very well at this moment, every time I think I might be getting my head solidly around it, it seems to excape. that said I am going to try to ask a question...

we know that CR at least in name did not have a DL, has been said the car was not registered to him. we know he used a different name for work. so if his body and entity that inhabits that body had a DL or car or whatever with a different name on it than what LE is using as the name for that body and entity they would consider that whatever wasn't his as in not CR or that it didn't belong to the same body and entity? it would not be or would be understood to belong to that body and entity no matter the name? it is all clear as mud to me about name he is know to by LE and fake name and who knows if there are any other assumed names and how he may or may not have used any name he may or may not have used. i think i am trying to ask that even if something did belong or was owned by the same body and entity that that doesn't matter if he used a different name? maybe I am down a hole with those critters Al was warning about a couple days ago?

Not sure I understand what it is that may or may not be known about being owned by the same body or entity? I'm a little lost on that one.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

The prosecutor's job is to convict the suspect of first degree murder using only that information that is relevant to the case. There is no proof that the suspect is "devoid of empathy", but there is proof that Mollie received multiple sharp object injuries causing death.

Otto. An educated non mental health professional, who raised two great kids and was part of the village who contributed to more;

1. Imo Rivera is devoid of the ability to live by the law.

2. He is void of the ability not to take someone that isn’t his.

3. He Lacks the ability to stop short of a horrible murder of a promising young lady.

4. He unceremoniously ended the financial help he was sending his family in Mexico.

5. He has brought an expensive period of time to his employers. And exposed them to a possible liability and sanctions by the feds.

6. Using the car and possibly has exposed them to, let’s say, attorneys who may find a client to sue the farm.

7. I’m stopping with 7 because people gave him a chance. People made sacrifices to get him to Iowa. They gave him a roof, a car and an opportunity.

And Crusthian Behana _________ it away.

In less than an hour.

A community suffered.

The Tibbetts suffered.

Dalton Jack, too young for it. Suffered.

A State suffered

And a nation cried.

Empathy? I would question it.

And I didn’t mention his legal status. Leaving it out for now.