Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #44

[MyBelle]

https://jalopnik.com/why-you-should-think-twice-before-lending-your-car-to-s-1684911505

“Note that your consent is required for the liability to apply”

“I have to give you the full spectrum of legal possibilities, no matter how remote. So let me tell you about Ryan Holle. He is serving a life sentence without a chance of parole because he lent his car to his friends. Granted, those friends went and robbed someone after using that car to drive themselves to the scene of the crime. And there, they killed someone. At the moment of the murder, Holle was at home, asleep. Based on those facts – and the fact that Florida is one of the states that still has a felony murder rule on its books – Holle was sent to prison for life.”

Iowa ?

I doubt whomever loaned the car to CR knew he was going to commit murder.

 

[MyBelle]

Soda? ? Video games? Not sure where all this is coming from, or where it's going. But how about just saying that he was just plain evil? There are those who get no pleasure out of life except Meanness, like killing a man's dog or burning his barn

My point was about addictive behaviors that others would not be aware of. I doubt CR was born evil and those around him have not described behaviors that are "mean." They've described the exact opposite. LE said CR was never on their radar and are baffled that he would just launch into abduction and murder. JMO

 

[CarnegieHall]

Humor me, I like to think out loud.

The timeframe and crime are still bugging me. So I’m going over the events of that day. Guess you could call if fanfic too.

So CR gets off work. He’s sweaty and smelly from working all day. He takes a shower because (IMO) he’s young and vain and wants to always look good for the ladies when he goes into town. So after getting primped and ready he drives into town. What time is this? Not sure. But say he gets into town around 5pm (based on a timeframe used by LE early on as time of interest—5-10pm.)

Scanario 1) Ok. What does he do? Get dinner? Go to his uncles house? Visit friends? Who knows. Maybe someone made him mad, maybe some girls rejected him?

Scenario 2)Otherwise timeframe wise, if he arrives in town closer to the incident starting at 7:45, that to me means he came specifically for mollie. And the $50 million dollar question then is why?



IMO

 

[MyBelle]

Humor me, I like to think out loud.

The timeframe and crime are still bugging me. So I’m going over the events of that day. Guess you could call if fanfic too.

So CR gets off work. He’s sweaty and smelly from working all day. He takes a shower because (IMO) he’s young and vain and wants to always look good for the ladies when he goes into town. So after getting primped and ready he drives into town. What time is this? Not sure. But say he gets into town around 5pm (based on a timeframe used by LE early on as time of interest—5-10pm.)

Scanario 1) Ok. What does he do? Get dinner? Go to his uncles house? Visit friends? Who knows. Maybe someone made him mad, maybe some girls rejected him?

Scenario 2)Otherwise timeframe wise, if he arrives in town closer to the incident starting at 7:45, that to me means he came specifically for mollie. And the $50 million dollar question then is why?



IMO

I think the evidence will support Scenario 2. CR was trolling specifically for Mollie.

 

[otto]

Humor me, I like to think out loud.

The timeframe and crime are still bugging me. So I’m going over the events of that day. Guess you could call if fanfic too.

So CR gets off work. He’s sweaty and smelly from working all day. He takes a shower because (IMO) he’s young and vain and wants to always look good for the ladies when he goes into town. So after getting primped and ready he drives into town. What time is this? Not sure. But say he gets into town around 5pm (based on a timeframe used by LE early on as time of interest—5-10pm.)

Scanario 1) Ok. What does he do? Get dinner? Go to his uncles house? Visit friends? Who knows. Maybe someone made him mad, maybe some girls rejected him?

Scenario 2)Otherwise timeframe wise, if he arrives in town closer to the incident starting at 7:45, that to me means he came specifically for mollie. And the $50 million dollar question then is why?
IMO

First degree murder charge, combined with the admission that he had previously seen Mollie jogging and knew something about her jogging route, implies that he was hoping to see Mollie jogging again. He knew her route well enough to be circling the block waiting for her. He anticipated the best place to abduct her, and, based on the timeline, it appears that he pre-planned the body site.

My guess is that he was in Brooklyn by 7PM cruising the streets looking for Mollie.

 

[Followfacts]

I doubt whomever loaned the car to CR knew he was going to commit murder.

Yes, you’re right, If people knew that a crime was going to occur. My point is leaving yourself open to liability, allowing unlicensed or licensed persons to use your car can result In further legal action. Negligence through inaction or intentional which results in injury or death.

 

[Jaclin]

PLEASE don't anyone kill King Snakes as they kill and eat venomous snakes. That is why they are called "King" snakes. They are nature friends to all of us. You WANT to see King snakes on your property. Thus is a GOOD thing. I don't particularly care for snakes either, and I feel bad that you were frightened as a child by a good snake species.

I don't want to see ANY snakes on my property, coral, king, corn or otherwise! the snakes and the spiders can stay far, far away from me. Fortunately, there aren't a lot of snakes slithering around suburbia. (arms herself with spider killer) A better analogy for CR would be a wolf in sheeps clothing.

 

[Confusion]

I don't want to see ANY snakes on my property, coral, king, corn or otherwise! the snakes and the spiders can stay far, far away from me. Fortunately, there aren't a lot of snakes slithering around suburbia. (arms herself with spider killer) A better analogy for CR would be a wolf in sheeps clothing.

If you get a little 5'-6' bull snake in your yard and you may never have to worry about rodents again.

 

[MsBetsy]

I drink soda...it doesn't give me the "nerve" to do things I wouldn't normally do, because my life is pretty normal, in general. But it does give me a little boost in the morning and I like the taste.

I was referring to alcohol, not soda. It was in response to the fact that it was stated in an article that he does not drink alcohol, only soda. It can make one become more uninhibited, imo

 

[MsBetsy]

Soda? ? Video games? Not sure where all this is coming from, or where it's going. But how about just saying that he was just plain evil? There are those who get no pleasure out of life except Meanness, like killing a man's dog or burning his barn

The soda came from an article in which a women said Rivera drank only soda, as opposed to beer. The others are just pure speculation.

 

[MsBetsy]

I pretty much consider myself a soda addict. I am sure I drink way more than the average person. I like the taste and it gets me over the afternoon slump. I have never heard of it acting like liquid courage, however. That is a new one to me.

If you read the post I was responding to, I had said I had heard the opposite of (Rivera drinking alcohol) and that's what I meant by " it" just to clarify. I dont think soda makes people uninhibited, or at least there is no evidence that it does, but it has been said to be true with alcohol and definitely some drugs. Imo we have no evidence that Rivera did either one.

 

[Jaclin]

Opening and closing statements are in theory : telling people what you are going to say (opening statements), saying it (trial), telling people what you just said (closing statements). Making claims in an opening statement that are not supported in trial can undermine the credibility of the prosecution.

Police can say whatever they want to the media. That doesn't make those statements relevant or admissible in court.

The media makes all sorts of statements that have nothing to do with a murder prosecution.

agree. trials are like 5 paragraph essays. you can't bring up new information in the conclusion.

 

[MsBetsy]

GTA must have had a hell of a run. And I thought it was kind of cheesy...

Agreed that neither had anything to do with it, but we both know how some would latch onto that and open up another unneeded debate.

I'm not sure there is even any correlation between and video games and murder. Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

unless his fake name loaned it to his real name? I don't know if we even know who owned the car. I wonder if it was financed if it was in his fake name. my reasoning for this is if it was lot financed, easiest to finance imo is why I say lot financed, then they would verify employment and doesn't seem he could use real name. there are other complications in this idea though.

There is no evidence that he owned the car. In fact it has been stated that the car belonged to someone else. Imo

 

[Tricia]

Hello My Sweet True Crime Friends,

Time to shut down for the night.

See you in the morning.
Tricia

 

[Tricia]

Good morning.
Mollie's thread is now open

 

[The Farm]

Good Morning everyone. Happy Sunday.

 

[SteveP]

I'm not sure there is even any correlation between and video games and murder. Imo

I agree. I have no doubt that the majority of people who commit violent sexual crimes against women are probably watchers of , but so is a large segment of the population in general, both male and female, and they do not go out and commit crimes. Likewise, a very large percentage of young males play video games regularly, and yes, many of those are violent games, but again, they don't go out and commit murder. I liken it to the argument that marijuana use leads to harder drugs. In all likelihood, most hard drug users started with or continue to smoke weed, but look at the large number of potheads that never try anything harder. I think pointing to or video games is a cop out to transfer blame to something other than the killer. "The made him do it" or "Violent video games made him do it" remind me of Flip Wilson as Geraldine, saying "The devil made me do it". No addiction is healthy, but we do not even have any indication that CR had such an addiction. I think he is to blame for this murder, not , and not GTA or any other video game. JMO

 

[Bravo]

Good morning all.

 

[Jaclin]

I agree. I have no doubt that the majority of people who commit violent sexual crimes against women are probably watchers of , but so are a large segment of the population in general, both male and female, and they do not go out and commit crimes. Likewise, a very large percentage of young males play video games regularly, and yes, many of those are violent games, but again, they don't go out and commit murder. I liken it to the argument that marijuana use leads to harder drugs. In all likelihood, most hard drug users started with or continue to smoke weed, but look at the large number of potheads that never try anything harder. I think pointing to or video games is a cop out to transfer blame to something other than the killer. "The made him do it" or "Violent video games made him do it" remind me of Flip Wilson as Geraldine, saying "The devil made me do it". No addiction is healthy, but we do not even have any indication that CR had such an addiction. I think he is to blame for this murder, not , and not GTA or any other video game. JMO

I really hope playing those games doesn't increase the risk of killing people. My nephews are playing those games.