Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #45

[kpm]

Good morning all. Here are my questions for the day:

• Didn't CR's father say in his interview that he didn't know of any "blocked memory" issues in CR's past?

• Wouldn't the '"blocked memory" diminished capacity' argument be basically worthless as a defense for murder if the murder had taken place after he had already "come to"? As in it happening in the cornfield versus 385th or somewhere along the way.

• Since we know CR used his phone to determine the route he'd taken on the night in question, couldn't LE have therefore used his phone's locator system as a basis for their 7:45 - 8:28pm incident time limits?

• Why didn't CR delete his phone's locator history during his 5 weeks undetected?

Good morning all

Moo

I don’t recall his father or any relative mentioning his block outs, will search a bit for that, should have saved all my links, lol

The ME report and the condition of his car should help tell the true story of when he killed her, if the. At and trunk is void of blood that would match her wounds than yes!

I think there are too many variables to try to figure out the 8:28 time, but yes, that’s a good guess

He never thought he would get caught so why delete it, I wonder if they can tell the date he entered the dump site location

IMO, if he had diminished capacity he would not have stabbed her numerous times, that tells me he wanted to make sure she was dead, not that he thought one stab wound would kill her, so in other words, he would have to claim that inflicting x amount of stab wounds would not kill a person, that’s seems far fetched.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Aliens is a bit far fetched, lol

I think they may try to lessen the charge by adding minutia to befuddle the jury

But let’s say CR claims this now that he has a team of attorneys

He was just driving around lost, not stalking her at all

He stopped to ask her for directions and she took it the wrong way and threatened to call LE

CR panics and tries to stop her when a struggle ensues and he accidentally knocked her out on the head.

Now he’s blocking his memory so there is a ton of reasonable doubt they can add, did he get help from a the friends that fled the farm, was he out of control, etc.

What seems reasonable to one person may not to the next, look at all the speculation here

All it takes is to get a few of them doubting

Has it ever been verified that MT threatened to call the police? From what I've gathered, the only person claiming this is Mollie's alleged killer. It's a little convenient, don't ya think? Consider how much time he had to come up with a narrative. In a slight-of-hand type way, he's blaming the victim...The victim threatens to call the police, which would out the hard-working illegal alien. So he snaps, but has amnesia concerning the events that come after that. To me, that portion of the narrative is too convenient, may never have happened, cannot be verified, and is meant to garner some measure of sympathy for the alleged killer.

 

[MsBetsy]

Oh

I don't think they usually discuss them in court unless they've already agreed on one, but that's always possible.
Late at night is the only time I can usually be on long enough to be caught up reading and have time to write too. This girl did a lot more than that too. As I said, she sometimes threw knives at people, pans, an iron at least once. I felt sorry for her because sometimes when they were bored, the brothers and sisters would purposely do things to set her off. They'd run outside and watch her through the window until she calmed down. It was a rather strange family looking back, but I didn't notice it at the time.

, wow, you were writing that whole time! Where do you get your energy? Yes, seizures can be very scary. I once was driving down the highway and saw a woman behind the wheel slapping her head. At first I thought a passenger was assaulting her but she was alone and smacking herself in the head so hard her hair was flying and her head was whipping to one side. I passed her as soon as I could.

 

[A-MG]

Seems he has a history. *Knew it! Ha!*

New Details About Cristhian Rivera's Unsettling History — Including How He Followed Another Teen Girl In His Car Before Killing Mollie Tibbetts

 

[The Farm]

As far as I know it is only CR that said that and I do not believe a word he says. We still do not know much since he was taken in as far as anything new.

Has it ever been verified that MT threatened to call the police? From what I've gathered, the only person claiming this is Mollie's alleged killer. It's a little convenient, don't ya think? Consider how much time he had to come up with a narrative. In a slight-of-hand type way, he's blaming the victim...The victim threatens to call the police, which would out the hard-working illegal alien. So he snaps, but has amnesia concerning the events that come after that. To me, that portion of the narrative is too convenient, may never have happened, cannot be verified, and is meant to garner some measure of sympathy for the alleged killer.

 

[TL4S]

Good morning all

Moo

I don’t recall his father or any relative mentioning his block outs, will search a bit for that, should have saved all my links, lol

The ME report and the condition of his car should help tell the true story of when he killed her, if the. At and trunk is void of blood that would match her wounds than yes!

I think there are too many variables to try to figure out the 8:28 time, but yes, that’s a good guess

He never thought he would get caught so why delete it, I wonder if they can tell the date he entered the dump site location

IMO, if he had diminished capacity he would not have stabbed her numerous times, that tells me he wanted to make sure she was dead, not that he thought one stab wound would kill her, so in other words, he would have to claim that inflicting x amount of stab wounds would not kill a person, that’s seems far fetched.

This article has been posted before, I'm sure. It doesn't have the father speaking about "blocked memories," but it does answer a question talked about many threads ago. CR had at least two uncles in Iowa. One in Brooklyn, and one in a neighboring town.

Suspect’s relatives say they’re baffled by arrest in Mollie Tibbetts case

"Eustaquio Bahena said he hasn’t spoken to Rivera since the arrest. He said their family is devastated by what happened and deeply sad for Tibbetts’s family. Other members of Rivera’s family attended his first appearance in court on Wednesday, including an aunt and uncle that live in a neighboring town, Rivera’s three-year-old daughter and the child’s mother, according to Eustaquio “Capi” Bahena Radilla."

 

[MsBetsy]

Good morning all

Moo

I don’t recall his father or any relative mentioning his block outs, will search a bit for that, should have saved all my links, lol

The ME report and the condition of his car should help tell the true story of when he killed her, if the. At and trunk is void of blood that would match her wounds than yes!

I think there are too many variables to try to figure out the 8:28 time, but yes, that’s a good guess

He never thought he would get caught so why delete it, I wonder if they can tell the date he entered the dump site location

IMO, if he had diminished capacity he would not have stabbed her numerous times, that tells me he wanted to make sure she was dead, not that he thought one stab wound would kill her, so in other words, he would have to claim that inflicting x amount of stab wounds would not kill a person, that’s seems far fetched.

As far as I know, there has been no mention by any family or friends of a
history of blocking memories after getting upset, and there were many discussions about how unusual that is. But who knows what the lawyers have found out by now. I wonder how much psychological testing has been done at this point.

 

[TL4S]

Again, not the link where he talks about "blocked memories" but some added info.

An Iowa student went missing. Now her death is at the center of the immigration debate.

"Rivera had a quiet, if poor, childhood in Guayabillo, a dusty ranch town about 100 miles from Acapulco in the Mexican state of Guerrero, said Bahena, his father. He "never had any problems" and did not show signs of violence, his father added.


Around his 16th birthday, Rivera left Guayabillo to find work in the United States, his father said.


"There are no jobs here, so he left," Bahena said, adding that his son crossed the border illegally and was undocumented in the United States."

 

[MsBetsy]

Seems he has a history. *Knew it! Ha!*

New Details About Cristhian Rivera's Unsettling History — Including How He Followed Another Teen Girl In His Car Before Killing Mollie Tibbetts

Yes, these stories surfaced soon after his arrest. I'm not sure if they have been verified. Some believe them, some don't. Originally they only appeared in one source, then others carried the story by the DM. But if they are true, surely all those people have been questioned by now, and they will be able to establish a pattern. Jmo

 

[A-MG]

Here's what his Uncle and Father had to say...

Suspect’s relatives say they’re baffled by arrest in Mollie Tibbetts case

 

[kpm]

Has it ever been verified that MT threatened to call the police? From what I've gathered, the only person claiming this is Mollie's alleged killer. It's a little convenient, don't ya think? Consider how much time he had to come up with a narrative. In a slight-of-hand type way, he's blaming the victim...The victim threatens to call the police, which would out the hard-working illegal alien. So he snaps, but has amnesia concerning the events that come after that. To me, that portion of the narrative is too convenient, may never have happened, cannot be verified, and is meant to garner some measure of sympathy for the alleged killer.

The only part of his admissions I believe is he identified the clothes she was wearing and he knew where she was left and covered up, those are the only truths,IMO

But, LE and his attorneys have to work with the “story/lie” he concocted, unless he comes clean, which is highly unlikely now that he was hired attorneys.

They will use the poor immigrant card at trial, his first attorney already started the narrative, “all American hard working BOY”

He is not a boy he’s a grown man with a child.

And so what if his education level is 7-8th grade, which is also in doubt since we sleuthed his school out and it appears he attend what we consider high school, a 7-8th grader knows right from wrong especially when it comes to killing someone!

This rant is not directed to you in any way, I’m sick of criminals taking advantage of our system with minutia that the courts let fly to confuse juries.

 

[MistyWaters]

They had to correct the misinformation that E-Verify was used to confirm his identity. Had nothing to do with how he was paid and HS/ICE did subsequently make a two-hour visit to YF. JMO

Just to clarify a discussion from yesterday, an employee working “under the table” means they have an illegal arrangement with the company so that no employment records are kept whatsoever and so it appears that person is actually unemployed.

In the case of CR acknowledged as an employee by Yarrabee Farms, whether they choose to hand out a paycheque, direct deposit their payroll or pay employees the exact sum in cash is entirely their prerogative.

No reason for the scheduled visit by officials has been given but if significant irregularities had been found, they would’ve had the power to immediately shut down the farming operation and make arrests. That did not occur.

“....Yarrabee Farms issued a statement about the presence of law enforcement Thursday, saying it was a scheduled visit.

“Yarrabee Farms continues to cooperate with local, state, and federal authorities. Federal authorities requested to visit the farm today, and met with employees and owners. The visit lasted approximately two hours.”

Feds Visit Farm Where Man Charged with Killing Mollie Tibbetts Worked

 

[kpm]

This article has been posted before, I'm sure. It doesn't have the father speaking about "blocked memories," but it does answer a question talked about many threads ago. CR had at least two uncles in Iowa. One in Brooklyn, and one in a neighboring town.

Suspect’s relatives say they’re baffled by arrest in Mollie Tibbetts case

"Eustaquio Bahena said he hasn’t spoken to Rivera since the arrest. He said their family is devastated by what happened and deeply sad for Tibbetts’s family. Other members of Rivera’s family attended his first appearance in court on Wednesday, including an aunt and uncle that live in a neighboring town, Rivera’s three-year-old daughter and the child’s mother, according to Eustaquio “Capi” Bahena Radilla."

Yep and one working at the farm with him.

I wonder which one is paying his legal fees?

 

[MsBetsy]

Again, not the link where he talks about "blocked memories" but some added info.

An Iowa student went missing. Now her death is at the center of the immigration debate.

"Rivera had a quiet, if poor, childhood in Guayabillo, a dusty ranch town about 100 miles from Acapulco in the Mexican state of Guerrero, said Bahena, his father. He "never had any problems" and did not show signs of violence, his father added.


Around his 16th birthday, Rivera left Guayabillo to find work in the United States, his father said.


"There are no jobs here, so he left," Bahena said, adding that his son crossed the border illegally and was undocumented in the United States."

His father mentioned nothing about blocked memories , unless there is new information regarding that. imo

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I've been thinking about more charges, defense plans, etc. and think I may have come up with a possible problem. If they don't charge him with anything other than 1st degree murder, there is a possibility that he could go free. If his attorneys can convince at least one juror that it wasn't premeditated, there could be a mistrial because of a hung jury; if they can convince all jurors, he'd be found not guilty - even if there was no question about him killing her. I'm assuming more charges will be added, but if not, they'd better hope the judge allows the jury to convict him of a lesser charge if they don't think it was premeditated. MOO

I didn’t say anything about forcing him.

If he wants to stand up and say I did it, I’m guilty, they can’t stop him, but do you think they will allow him to do that?

They will guide and advise him of the best scenarios and he will most likely agree with them as most people do.

IMO, this will be a high profile case.

It's my understanding, concerning premeditation, that it doesn't just cover the initial act but his actions on the whole. Did he, at any point, have the opportunity to change his course, by rendering aid, etc.? If so, and he did not, in most states it's considered premeditated. Can an Iowan attorney speak to the state's definition of premeditation? TIA

 

[The Farm]

Yep and one working at the farm with him.

I wonder which one is paying his legal fees?

Well we do not know if it is his family paying or an Hispanic group. Remember far back in the thread someone posted groups that help them?

 

[A-MG]

Yes, these stories surfaced soon after his arrest. I'm not sure if they have been verified. Some believe them, some don't. Originally they only appeared in one source, then others carried the story by the DM. But if they are true, surely all those people have been questioned by now, and they will be able to establish a pattern. Jmo

Killers like this typically have some sort of history. It's not common to go from being "normal" one day to, "Gee, think I'll track down someone and murder them today", just out of the blue, unless there's a psychological snap. Do I believe them? Yes, and you better believe the jury will too.

 

[kpm]

It's my understanding, concerning premeditation, that it doesn't just cover the initial act but his actions on the whole. Did he, at any point, have the opportunity to change his course, by rendering aid, etc.? If so, and he did not, in most states it's considered premeditated. Can an Iowan attorney speak to the state's definition of premeditation? TIA

Premeditation

Someone premeditates a crime by considering it before committing it. Premeditation requires that the defendant think out the act, no matter how quickly—it can be as simple deciding to pick up a hammer that is lying nearby and to use it as a weapon.

Time Required

Time alone doesn’t determine whether a defendant premeditated and deliberated. All premeditation and deliberation require is the time it takes to form the intent, ponder the crime, and then act. Defendants can premeditate and deliberate in a matter of minutes, as long as the thought process occurs before the act.


What is premeditated and deliberate conduct?

 

[kpm]

Well we do not know if it is his family paying or an Hispanic group. Remember far back in the thread someone posted groups that help them?

All that I’ve seen reported is the family hired them.

If there are groups helping them pay it’s been kept pretty secret, I don’t doubt some high rollers are helping them just to make a statement though!

 

[TL4S]

His father mentioned nothing about blocked memories , unless there is new information regarding that. imo

I haven't found that specifically said, either. I saw it very early on, so maybe it was misquoted and corrected?