Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #45

[otto]

It's all to do with people generally living longer, meds, food etc.

No.

 

[Deleted member 718]

I think it has more to do with libido than mental illness.

Perhaps monetary gain. A quid pro quo...

 

[Al Hoffman]

I wonder how much, if any, thought he gave to leaving his dna on or about her. If this were a blitz attack, which it sounds to me like it was, I mean, how awful if he was wearing gloves or something like that. A hairnet under a baseball cap. I'm just envisioning this mf running toward her. And his trunk may have had a few of his hairs in it, which could have transferred to her clothing.

One could only hope!

After 33 days in the elements, the BEST hope to link CR to MT foriencsically is a hair of his with an intact hair follicle, it would hold up the best. Second best chance is his touch DNA, sweat, dandruff, skin cells, or any other body fluids on MT's clothes. (All of which is subject to bacterial, fungal, and mold digestion and degradation.)

Time will tell...

BTW, anybody brought up what name (if any) JB/CR put on his child's Birth Certificate, if any at all? A Latino would want his kid to carry on his family name, even a daughter. It is kinda a big thing in his culture, and his girlfriend's and her mom's (see where I'm going...). Also, if there is a Father's name on the Birth Certificate, what accompanying demographic data did he give for Age and Place of Birth?

Also, if he is married to the kid's mom, what name did JB/CR use on the Marriage Certifficate?

An older Latina, I know from having grown up with one (my mom), is NOT going to be happy with an alias on her daughter's Marriage Certifficate. When they would have gotten married, JB/CR could have used his real name on a Marriage Certifficate with little fear of ICE and deportation.

Also, I don't doubt that JB/CR had his actual Mexican Birth Certificate and other ID with him all the time he has been in this country, in case he had to go to the Mexican Consulate for help.

 

[Al Hoffman]

The 2 inches of rain might be a problem.

The 2 inches of rain might be a problem.

Delete post.

 

[otto]

I wonder how much, if any, thought he gave to leaving his dna on or about her. If this were a blitz attack, which it sounds to me like it was, I mean, how awful if he was wearing gloves or something like that. A hairnet under a baseball cap. I'm just envisioning this mf running toward her. And his trunk may have had a few of his hairs in it, which could have transferred to her clothing.

Was Rivera was careful to leave no evidence on the abduction/murder victim Mollie Tibbetts?

We know there is blood evidence in the trunk of his car related to Mollie's abduction/murder. We know this because the suspect admitted that he saw Mollie in the trunk of his car and she had blood on the side of her head.

According to the witness, he saw Mollie in the trunk of his car. Rather than seek medical help, he dragged and carried her into a cornfield. When she was found, did she have blood in more areas than her head?

Nevermind. Mollie was showered with 2 inches of rain after she met Rivera. I suspect that everything was washed away.

 

[Al Hoffman]

I think it has more to do with libido than mental illness.

You mean the "Little Blue Pill" kind of libido?

 

[Confusion]

And therefore they bother 20 year olds?

Sounds like all "getting old" women are mentally ill.
Men too apparently, especially if they are bothering 20 year olds.

Do all "getting old" people have mental illness that includes bothering 20 year olds?

If you look again at what you quoted, I said "a lot of", not "all". Personally, I'd feel like I was babysitting if I went out with someone 30-40 years younger than I am, but to each his own. Of course, I sometimes felt that way when I went out with guys 20-30 years older than me too. Now I stick to just babysitting for relatives under the age of 10.

 

[MsBetsy]

You mean the "Little Blue Pill" kind of libido?

Don't know anything about that. But Ashton and Demi got along pretty well for awhile.

 

[1987]

if he didn't leave dna with her, or at least if it cant be found this long latter surely he left fibers with her that can be matched back to the car and anything else they locate that came into contact with her.

also he did work on a farm with cows, surely he had cow hairs that got on him and thus transferred to the car and potentially transferred from the car to her.

 

[otto]

I think it has more to do with libido than mental illness.

Abnormal sex drive is related to stranger abduction/murder?

 

[Al Hoffman]

Was Rivera was careful to leave no evidence on the abduction/murder victim Mollie Tibbetts?

We know there is blood evidence in the trunk of his car related to Mollie's abduction/murder. We know this because the suspect admitted that he saw Mollie in the trunk of his car and she had blood on the side of her head.

According to the witness, he saw Mollie in the trunk of his car. Rather than seek medical help, he dragged and carried her into a cornfield. When she was found, did she have blood in more areas than her head?

Nevermind. Mollie was showered with 2 inches of rain after she met Rivera. I suspect that everything was washed away.

Despite everything I have written tonight on the subject, you never know. Cells containing DNA can be resilient little things. There could be a fold of her clothes, in the protection and shade of the base of a corn stalk, away from her body that could contain identifiable DNA from CR, uncorrupted (or minimally degraded) by microbial degradation. THE ONE antedotal case of a post-rape drowning victim recovered from water in Maine, 5 months post-mortem with intact spermatids on vaginal swab, tells us that anything is possible (I personally feel that she was likely recovered from the bottom of a frozen fresh water pond or lake in Febuary), but anything is possible.

The Iowa State ME, the DCI, and the FBI have the best people available working on this. Have hope and rest assured that if it can be found, it will be found. An that it will be a valid, legal foriencsic finding that will stand up at trial!

 

[feralwriter]

Was Rivera was careful to leave no evidence on the abduction/murder victim Mollie Tibbetts?

We know there is blood evidence in the trunk of his car related to Mollie's abduction/murder. We know this because the suspect admitted that he saw Mollie in the trunk of his car and she had blood on the side of her head.

According to the witness, he saw Mollie in the trunk of his car. Rather than seek medical help, he dragged and carried her into a cornfield. When she was found, did she have blood in more areas than her head?

Nevermind. Mollie was showered with 2 inches of rain after she met Rivera. I suspect that everything was washed away.

If he, as he stated, had her over his shoulder, carrying her, then placed her on the ground face up, it's possible the back of her t-shirt could have some of his hair. The rain didn't necessarily run in rivets under her body. The soil became soaked under her body, but the ground under her body did not necessarily run like a river, washing away every last dna instance. I remember Iowa soil to be very porous and soaks in rain.

My question is more to his thinking on the matter. Obv. we won't know his thoughts. I am trying to consider the crime visually, and psychologically, questioning what, if any, precautions he took in terms of evidence. How far ahead he thought of doing the crime, when & how concealing the crime occurred to him, & if that concealing was more in the moment or in advance.

 

[1987]

Despite everything I have written tonight on the subject, you never know. Cells containing DNA can be resilient little things. There could be a fold of her clothes, in the protection and shade of the base of a corn stalk, away from her body that could contain identifiable DNA from CR, uncorrupted by microbial degradation. THE ONE antedotal case of a post-rape victim recovered from water 5 months post-mortem with intact spermatids on vaginal swab tells us that anything is possible (I personally feel that she was likely recovered from the bottom of a frozen fresh water pond or lake in Febuary), but anything is possible.

The Iowa State ME, the DCI, and the FBI have the best people available working on this. Have hope and rest assured that if it can be found, it will be found. An that it will be a valid, legal foriencsic finding that will stand up at trial!

a sports bras I would expect has so much man made materials that I doubt it had degraded much if any, maybe that type of fabric would protect dna more. I know people are wanting to know SA or not but anything is better than nothing.

 

[Al Hoffman]

Don't know anything about that. But Ashton and Demi got along pretty well for awhile.

True, but they don't make a "blue pill" for women, and Ashton was too young to need the "help" then. Also, when I was 20 I had an affair with a 50 y/o Charge Nurse. We had a lot of fun together, in the French Quarter. New Orleans was a bit like Paris then, in some ways. There is a lot to be said for an older woman, aside from Ben Franklin's BS.

 

[otto]

One could only hope!

After 33 days in the elements, the BEST hope to link CR to MT foriencsically is a hair of his with an intact hair follicle, it would hold up the best. Second best chance is his touch DNA, sweat, dandruff, skin cells, or any other body fluids on MT's clothes. (All of which is subject to bacterial, fungal, and mold digestion and degradation.)

Time will tell...

BTW, anybody brought up what name (if any) JB/CR put on his child's Birth Certificate, if any at all? A Latino would want his kid to carry on his family name, even a daughter. It is kinda a big thing in his culture, and his girlfriend's and her mom's (see where I'm going...). Also, if there is a Father's name on the Birth Certificate, what accompanying demographic data did he give for Age and Place of Birth?

Also, if he is married to the kid's mom, what name did JB/CR use on the Marriage Certifficate?

An older Latina, I know from having grown up with one (my mom), is NOT going to be happy with an alias on her daughter's Marriage Certifficate. When they would have gotten married, JB/CR could have used his real name on a Marriage Certifficate with little fear of ICE and deportation.

Also, I don't doubt that JB/CR had his actual Mexican Birth Certificate and other ID with him all the time he has been in this country, in case he had to go to the Mexican Consulate for help.

Regarding whether the suspect's DNA is on the victim, what if it has already been determined that the body is too decayed for analysis?

Unless someone can demonstrate what this has to do with skin latino colour, perhaps it's time to let it rest. Keep racist attitudes in check?

If he, as he stated, had her over his shoulder, carrying her, then placed her on the ground face up, it's possible the back of her t-shirt could have some of his hair. The rain didn't necessarily run in rivets under her body. The soil became soaked under her body, but the ground under her body did not necessarily run like a river, washing away every last dna instance. I remember Iowa soil to be very porous and soaks in rain.

My question is more to his thinking on the matter. Obv. we won't know his thoughts. I am trying to consider the crime visually, and psychologically, questioning what, if any, precautions he took in terms of evidence. How far ahead he thought of doing the crime, when & how concealing the crime occurred to him, & if that concealing was more in the moment or in advance.

He probably started taking precautions as soon as he thought about abducting a woman. That is, he started thinking about all the ways that he could be caught, and how to avoid detection. He nearly had it perfect, but he didn't anticipate that police would spend days looking at his car driving in circles at the last location where Mollie is seen.

I can't imagine anyone thinking through how to avoid detection, and then realizing that the money you spent detailing the car is the mistake that revealed all.

 

[otto]

True, but they don't make a "blue pill" for women, and Ashton was too young to need the "help" then. Also, when I was 20 I had an affair with a 50 y/o Charge Nurse. We had a lot of fun together, in the French Quarter. New Orleans was a like Paris then, in some ways. There is a lot to be said for an older woman, aside from Ben Franklin's BS.

Ashton did what to Mollie with blue pills?
I'm lost.

 

[MsBetsy]

Abnormal sex drive is related to stranger abduction/murder?

I highly doubt that. I was responding to your asking if being attracted to someone who is much older or younger means they have mental illness. I'm not sure if it's abnormal at all. Is Dr. Ruth still around?

 

[feralwriter]

Sorry, Otto, what? I don't understand? Maybe I'm missing a conver going on I can't see?

"Unless someone can demonstrate what this has to do with skin latino colour, perhaps it's time to let it rest. Keep racist attitudes in check?"

I read that fingerprints can be lifted off someone's skin.... I would think if he thought this murder through, he would have placed the body in a far more inaccessible location.

That's pretty funny about detailing a car.... putting behind bars.... he's probably blaming someone for the fact he felt he had to detail his *amn car in the first place. LOL

 

[Al Hoffman]

a sports bras I would expect has so much man made materials that I doubt it had degraded much if any, maybe that type of fabric would protect dna more. I know people are wanting to know SA or not but anything is better than nothing.

Your mouth to God's ear...The best there is are working on this. We can only hope for the best!

 

[1987]

when it comes to dna and fiber transfer I think it could work both directions, from him to her or from her to him or his car or her clothes. I do not think that is exclusive to any race or nationality, I think the potential is there for all. I also don't know that there can possibly be a fail safe way to be sure there is no transfer of dna or fibers no matter how well thought out.