Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #45

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  • #461
I doubt he'll plead guilty. I expect to see this turned into a case where he admits to running beside her and then finding her body in his trunk. His atty will argue that it is possible someone else killed her and place her body in his trunk and because he was an illegal alien he feared going to the police so he buried her in a corn field. He'll probably claim that CR was targeted by LE due to his immigration status and argue away his statements to police claiming he didn't understand what he was being asked (language barrier). He'll be portrayed as a sympathetic young man who was just trying to better his life, a son who sent money back to his family and a good father. Call me cynical, but I'm betting he gets away with killing Mollie and won't even be deported.

I agree that I also do not think that he is going to plead guilty but PLEASE I so hope the rest of your post does not happen.
But I also would not put it past our justice system,,,,,sorry just do not have much faith in it anymore.
 
  • #462
If the attorneys were hired by his family they have every right to ask for a financial accounting

If they attorneys want to get paid they usually always get a financial affidavit, especially with a case like this which could be very costly.


K. Looking at it again the issue is if he can afford the PI.

the issues between the attorneys and who ever is owing them are private. I’ve never seen a financial matter between a client and attorney in a criminal court. (At least under these circumstances)

The only aspect of CRs finances applicable at this moment is his ability to pay legal fees and costs for his defense.

CBR has 2 interpreters and one PI PAID BY THE State of Iowa.
 
  • #463
K. Looking at it again the issue is if he can afford the PI.

the issues between the attorneys and who ever is owing them are private. I’ve never seen a financial matter between a client and attorney in a criminal court. (At least under these circumstances)

The only aspect of CRs finances applicable at this moment is his ability to pay legal fees and costs for his defense.

CBR has 2 interpreters and one PI PAID BY THE State of Iowa.

Right, it’s not for his attorney fees it’s to pay for a PI
 
  • #464
Exactly

It opens up reasonable doubt....
I wonder what exactly defines reasonable doubt. I mean, yeah, CR could have blacked out while aliens landed from outer space and the sharp force injuries are from being probed by sharp alien tools, but I don't think a reasonable person would consider that a likely enough possibility to let him walk. I mean, just because something could have happened differently (alien interference - we haven't proven they don't exist) doesn't mean a reasonable person would doubt it happened the way LE said it did. Do people really black out and find bodies in their trunks, or is CR the first? And if he truly blacked out and didn't remember there was a body in his trunk until he saw the earbud, what was he doing in the area of Guernsey driving through cornfields and how does an earbud in his lap equate a dead woman in his trunk? Seems like if he truly blacked out, it might have been the next time he needed to grab some antifreeze before he noticed the body in his trunk or when he or one of his co-workers noticed the smell.
 
  • #465
I doubt he'll plead guilty. I expect to see this turned into a case where he admits to running beside her and then finding her body in his trunk. His atty will argue that it is possible someone else killed her and place her body in his trunk and because he was an illegal alien he feared going to the police so he buried her in a corn field. He'll probably claim that CR was targeted by LE due to his immigration status and argue away his statements to police claiming he didn't understand what he was being asked (language barrier). He'll be portrayed as a sympathetic young man who was just trying to better his life, a son who sent money back to his family and a good father. Call me cynical, but I'm betting he gets away with killing Mollie and won't even be deported.

Sadly I agree that something like this scenario is going to happen and with other high profile cases we’ve seen they will easily be able to create reasonable doubt because a lot people don’t understand that phase.
 
  • #466
Fan fiction - theories/scenarios that are far outside of any known evidence.
Thank you, that makes sense in context here! I appreciate the clarification, thanks for paying attention and answering my question from so many threads and pages back!
I’ve only been aware of ‘fan fiction’ in the literal sense where people attempt to write their own version of someone else’s actual fictional writing, like novelists - either way, it’s probably not a good thing cuz facts and lines get blurred or crossed.
PS I love Eddie and your Vedder avatar!
 
  • #467
I agree; I was watching TV yesterday; this guys carried out horrendous crimes; to mitigate his actions; he talked about abuse in his childhood; he agreed his crimes were horrendous.
children who are abused often grow up to be abusers. not all of them. It's not an excuse, either. It's also bad to have kids grow up in toxic environments with parents constantly bickering. It does the child no good. Yet, lots of people will stay in miserable marriages with bickering, sometimes shoving and hitting, and think that they're staying together "for the kids". IMO staying together for the kids, especially when two people can't get along, is not good for the kids. Kids learn from their parents how to relate to partners and eventually their own children. Lots of people are bad examples! The ones that don't wind up abusers can have self-confidence issues and trouble forming connections with others because they're afraid to put themselves back in the environment they grew up in. I know this because I grew up in it. I wouldn't doubt if there was some dysfunctionality in the home CR grew up in. Again, not an excuse.
 
  • #468
I wonder what exactly defines reasonable doubt. I mean, yeah, CR could have blacked out while aliens landed from outer space and the sharp force injuries are from being probed by sharp alien tools, but I don't think a reasonable person would consider that a likely enough possibility to let him walk. I mean, just because something could have happened differently (alien interference - we haven't proven they don't exist) doesn't mean a reasonable person would doubt it happened the way LE said it did. Do people really black out and find bodies in their trunks, or is CR the first? And if he truly blacked out and didn't remember there was a body in his trunk until he saw the earbud, what was he doing in the area of Guernsey driving through cornfields and how does an earbud in his lap equate a dead woman in his trunk? Seems like if he truly blacked out, it might have been the next time he needed to grab some antifreeze before he noticed the body in his trunk or when he or one of his co-workers noticed the smell.
 
  • #469
He’s not paying a cent for that child. I’d bet she’s getting welfare, food stamps, WIC, and child care assistance. What are these kids thinking.? Not one thought about college or job training. You can’t raise a family well on $13.00 per hour
I found it a struggle living on $13.00 per hour as a single. I mean, it's fine, until the car breaks down or you need a root canal.
 
  • #470
I wonder what exactly defines reasonable doubt. I mean, yeah, CR could have blacked out while aliens landed from outer space and the sharp force injuries are from being probed by sharp alien tools, but I don't think a reasonable person would consider that a likely enough possibility to let him walk. I mean, just because something could have happened differently (alien interference - we haven't proven they don't exist) doesn't mean a reasonable person would doubt it happened the way LE said it did. Do people really black out and find bodies in their trunks, or is CR the first? And if he truly blacked out and didn't remember there was a body in his trunk until he saw the earbud, what was he doing in the area of Guernsey driving through cornfields and how does an earbud in his lap equate a dead woman in his trunk? Seems like if he truly blacked out, it might have been the next time he needed to grab some antifreeze before he noticed the body in his trunk or when he or one of his co-workers noticed the smell.

I think the problem is many people don’t understand the term reasonable doubt.

The Casey Anthony case is a prime example of how,IMO, jurors are easily manipulated with minutia to the point they have no idea what reasonable doubt means.



Proof Beyond a Reasonable Doubt: What Does That Mean? | Brudvik Law Office
 
  • #471
He's looking at the rest of his life in prison; life means life in the US; I don't think you get early release for 'good behaviour'; but could be wrong on that; so I think he'll plead 'not guilty'. But I know what your saying.
The only published charge I’ve seen on MSM the day of the PC after CR was arrested was a charge by the Iowa State DA of “murder in the first degree with no chance of parole”. That doesn’t sound like it comes with any chances of getting out of prison forever, in the state of Iowa that doesn’t have the death penalty. Hopefully there’s no wiggle room, but who knows what legal beagles who are invested in trying for a reduced sentence may try. Hopefully it’s too rigid of a state law and there’s too much evidence to even go there. JMO
 
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According to various media reports, a Spanish translater was involved during CRs interview with LE.

Something I’ve always found rather fascinating is there isn’t always an exact translation for words from one language to another.

Here are some examples -
23 Fascinating Words With No Direct English Translations | HuffPost

So on that topic, written in the brief typed affidavit was “blocked” his “memory” but not a lot of information other than it related to him getting very upset. Way back on thread #39 when there was discussion between “blacked out” and “blocked” WS member “chiquitita” wrote about his or her opinion of the Spanish words spoken by CR that might’ve gotten translated into “blocked”. I thought that additional insight was very interesting and the posts can be found here:


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IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #39
I took German translation a year ago, and one thing I learned is that there is almost always translation loss. When there is more than one or two words at play, it can't be helped. All that a translator can do is try to minimize it. That 400 level course was enough for me. I'm not even going to attempt the masters certificate. It's really a lot harder than a lot of people think.
 
  • #474
My question is how long would DNA from the suspect be viable after death. That is, given that body cells erupt or disintegrate at an irregular rate after death, how well does foreign DNA, with a half-life deterioration rate, fare in that environment?

It depends upon what type of foreign DNA, upon what medium the foreign DNA was left, environmental factors, & very much upon current technology - as the sensitivity of the testing continues to improve at a rapid rate.
 
  • #475
Good point! If the jury decides, you never know. Is there still a chance CR may plead guilty to certain charges that would predicate a full trial?

I don’t think his new attorneys are going to have him plead guilty, I think they are going to fight this out to the bitter end for the publicity, IMO
 
  • #476
No, there is no mention of a DNA half-life in the original article or abstract posted.

The 48 hours refers to an automated 48 hour rapid lab analysis, an automated sequencing of the DNA code that takes 2 days to perform, to identify the bacteria species eating the body. There will aways be newly divided bacteria present in a decaying body (this is why they are a bio-hazard). The species present, and their staging, can be used to determine TOD (at least that is what the paper proposes...)

Bacterial Half-Life is usually used to refer to how fast they grow, and how many more there will be after time passes, as their growth is exponential. They reproduce by splitting apart and doubling, always doubling..... Like Sheldon did on the couch in "The Big Bang Theory"... on into the trillions in individual numbers, a couple of thousand bacterial species involved in the decay of a body, some of which can cause disease. These 2,000 species are what the article proposes to catalog.

Half-life refers to the amount of time necessary for one-half of the nucleotides' bonds to be broken, thereby reducing the sample by 1/2. After that same amount of time (half-life) elapses again, 1/4 of the sample would be left. Here is an article on the half-life of bone DNA. Half-Life of DNA Revealed
 
  • #477
I don’t think his new attorneys are going to have him plead guilty, I think they are going to fight this out to the bitter end for the publicity, IMO

that is where my hang up is. CAN they have him plead one way or the other or can he just at the last min do as he pleases on a plea? he seems impulsive to me.
 
  • #478
I don’t think his new attorneys are going to have him plead guilty, I think they are going to fight this out to the bitter end for the publicity, IMO
You’re probably right, ugghhh
 
  • #479
I think the problem is many people don’t understand the term reasonable doubt.

The Casey Anthony case is a prime example of how,IMO, jurors are easily manipulated with minutia to the point they have no idea what reasonable doubt means.



Proof Beyond a Reasonable Doubt: What Does That Mean? | Brudvik Law Office

I think sometimes it’s rather confusing, how trials work. The onus is entirely on the State to prove the defendants guilt. It’s not up to the defendant to prove their innocence whatsoever. It’s human nature to come up with theories about why so and so might get off but even here, in reality CRs not required to put forth any defence. The jury will only be instructed to determine if the State proved their case or not beyond reasonable doubt.

If a jury wonders if aliens might’ve done it, that’s usually because there was weakness in the State’s case, leaving open wiggle room for the defence to insert a reasonable doubt of guilt.
 
  • #480
Total BS

if he can’t afford it get a court appointed attorney
So, it's your understanding that he/his family paid the retainer for a lawyer of choice, but he is claiming to be tapped out now and in need of financial assistance to pay for the PI only - or everything? TIA
 
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