Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #45

[rebel123]

What I'm "baffled" about is that cornfield. He could have driven around randomly until he found a suitable place to park out of view (which that was), but I can't help feeling he had to have known that location for some reason. I looked around at the maps, and right next to that land is what looks like a cattle operation of sorts. Some buildings and you can see cows in the pasture. I wish I knew more about the dairy operation to know if they would buy/sell cows from local farms, or use bulls from various places vs keeping their own. I don't know, but it's just a thought that maybe CR had been down that road before for legitimate reasons (work), so knew what was there.

He's been working in Brooklyn for 4 years; it's a small town; he had access to cars; he should know Brooklyn like the back of his hand.

 

[Al Hoffman]

Yep and one working at the farm with him.

I wonder which one is paying his legal fees?

They all are, likely even the "wife's" family. It's a Latino thing. Eventually the State of Iowa will likely pay some part of the Iowa Legal Dynamic Duo's legal fees. (After the money in CR's coffee can runs out!) Cue theme music for the IDLD!

The IDLD will then become very wealthy with a SRO walk-in Hispanic Criminal and PI practice, and could go multi-state or nationwide with the right Hispanic TV advertising, or mention in the Latino channels' news broadcast.

This is basic practice building 101, just like I was taught at Palmer Chiropractic College on the coast of Iowa in Davenport. B.J. Palmer wrote the "book" on it. Every TV Evangelical Minister out there learned their craft from old B.J. B.J. built the first licenced commercial AM radio station West of the Mississippi, the first in Iowa (WOC Radio - World Of Chiropractic). This to spread the word to the world about Chiropractic, with 50,000 watts of clear channel night time talk. Ronald Regan got his first professional broadcasting job with WOC in Davenport.

B.J. himself would tell the IDLD to take the loss on the front end, to make the big Fortuna on the back end, and for the rest of their lives!

I'm sorry that you find it upsetting, but the Law and our system is a game. The only way to play it is to win. For that to happen, one's Kung Fu must be strong! Though, even a paper tiger can win the fight, if the cowardly fool runs away.

 

[otto]

I know I've seen other posts saying CR might have driven right past his house, but I didn't know he literally lived off 200st. I thought he was closer to the farm. That is only 1.5 miles straight north from the LE POI map 430th and 200st. location. If he drove the easiest route south, he did go right past his house. That is wild, imo.

Top red circle is CR's house, bottom red is LE's POI.

Am I seriously always the last person to figure these things out?

Nope. I had placed his home at the farm address. Thanks for the update - I've updated the map.

 

[rebel123]

The Arraignment on Wednesday will be interesting as it could have been done in written form; but the Defense wanted it in open court.

 

[Jaclin]

He's been working in Brooklyn for 4 years; it's a small town; he had access to cars; he should know Brooklyn like the back of his hand.

but the body was near Guernsey, and CR wouldn't need to use his phone to retrace the location if he remembered how to get there, unless he blocked that out, too.

 

[rebel123]

but the body was near Guernsey, and CR wouldn't need to use his phone to retrace the location if he remembered how to get there, unless he blocked that out, too.

Small town; you gradually venture further and further away; LE said 'he had to check his phone; but then took them to the location from memory'. Sounds like he knew the location.

 

[Jaclin]

Small town; you gradually venture further and further away; LE said 'he had to check his phone; but then took them to the location from memory'. Sounds like he knew the location.

I took that to mean he had to look at his phone for directions to get to the dirt road, and once he was at the dirt road he knew the rest of it from memory.

 

[Al Hoffman]

that sounds like "rent to own".

Except with rent to own, the State Police will not have a warrant for your arrest for Grand Theft Auto, and be looking for you on a BOLO if you miss a payment or split with a TV. The higher end Tote The Notes rig the cars with hidden GPS for ease of repo if you fail to pay, but I suppose they can all do that now. It is a real pernicious end of the auto business.

 

[MistyWaters]

Don't know how a jury will see it, but I would have to wonder how much an American PI can actually find in Mexico and how much of what he thinks he found is misinformation deliberately spoon fed to him . . .

It also might be the PI is going there to seek and collect documents relating to CR such as birth, education and medical. If it were anything more, police reports.

 

[TL4S]

Small town; you gradually venture further and further away; LE said 'he had to check his phone; but then took them to the location from memory'. Sounds like he knew the location.

That's also how I took it. He looked at his phone to tell him which route he took there that night, because there are any number of roads leading there (and he didn't know which because he had blocked the memories during the drive), but once he looked, he knew the way by memory. I think he knew the road.

 

[rebel123]

A bit more info on 'dissociative amnesia' -

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/dissociative-amnesia#1

 

[MistyWaters]

but the body was near Guernsey, and CR wouldn't need to use his phone to retrace the location if he remembered how to get there, unless he blocked that out, too.

According to the affidavit, I think he first first showed LE the route from 385th ave on his phone while still in the interview room and then later by vehicle, he guided them to the location by memory.

http://www.dps.state.ia.us/commis/p...-2018_DCI_ArrestWarrantComplaintAffidavit.pdf

ETA - sorry, not intending to parrot your post TL45....don’t know how it is that older posts just suddenly appear that weren’t there before.

 

[Al Hoffman]

Small town; you gradually venture further and further away; LE said 'he had to check his phone; but then took them to the location from memory'. Sounds like he knew the location.

CR likely drove to the cornfield in the 45 minutes before the end of Civilian Twilight at 9:15. To find his way out of an Iowa corn field in the dark, anyone might want to look a a GPS/Google map assistant.

I still think he drove past or to the hog farm, leaving a digital footprint from MT's phone, essentially on auto-pilot in a kind of fugue state, until he came to the cornfield in the gathering twilight and decided that this was as good a spot as any, did a u-turn and dumped the already dead body.

Also, this might have been an old High School student "secret" party spot that he knew from his courtship of IM, and he drifted there on memory. He was old enough, at the time, to buy the beer and would be welcomed by any teen crowd.
Beer is a universal ticket.

Obviously, I don't think that this guy is a rocket scientist. He was just running on lust, adrenalin and pure dumb good luck. He is young, dumb, and fulla come.

Just ask the Marine Corps how many of their own of a similar age, in the same condition, end up in jail. This is the reason that Okinawa is using to try and kick Kadena Air Base and the U.S. Marines off of the Island. There have been a number of murders and rapes commited against the local women, by American Armed Forces personel, most notably young Marines.

 

[otto]

It also might be the PI is going there to seek and collect documents relating to CR such as birth, education and medical. If it were anything more, police reports.

Rivera's father claims that Rivera left home at the age of 16, and Rivera claims that his birth year is 1997 (PI funds application), so he must have arrived in Iowa after June, 2013 - possibly after completing grade 10, Preparatoria 35. His girlfriend was pregnant in 2013, so that must have happened right after he arrived.

 

[Ragnarok]

The Arraignment on Wednesday will be interesting as it could have been done in written form; but the Defense wanted it in open court.

With the arraignment Wed morning; does that mean the final autopsy is available to LE? Not expecting it this soon.

Live broadcast or do we have have to rely on the news people?

 

[Al Hoffman]

Dissociative episodes are possible in PTSD, though not common. When they do happen, there’s usually a trauma related trigger—I.e., a combat veteran hears a sound similar to gunfire and that triggers dissociation. I think you’d have a hard time convincing a person knowledgeable about PTSD and dissociation that CR’s story fits (I’m certainly not convinced) but you could convince a jury of lay people, I suppose.

THANK YOU my View-Master new friend. The last 5 lines of your post makes the point I've been trying to make.

I agree with the rest of your post. When I left the Homeless Shelter 3 years ago, the VA put me and 4 other vets in individual apartments, sharing a common breeze way. One guy lost it, destroyed his apartment and split. One guy should have PTSD post the Gulf War, but is mellow. The remaining guy is post Korea DMZ, smokes crack, and is a maybe for a reason to have PTSD. (He also likes to shoot off his weapon, but random gunfire is common in the Memphis Hoods - you learn to tolerate it). I got my PTSD from my sociopathic stepchildren. I keep everybody in beer, and we all watch each others back!

I am not saying that CR has PTSD, only that it is a good story to sell to the jury to create plausible deniability in a Diminished Capacity defence.

Frankly, I think that CR is closer to an Intermittent Explosive Disorder Dx, and had a convent "Red Out" However, his "block out" to me is more like what my sociopathic adult stepchildren would do when they did not want to talk about something speciality serious (e.g. criminal) that they did.

What do you think, if you have any additional ideas to share?

Thanks

 

[rebel123]

With the arraignment Wed morning; does that mean the final autopsy is available to LE? Not expecting it this soon.

Live broadcast or do we have have to rely on the news people?

I think they may have the final autopsy; only because they've hired a PI; he might need to check things out like the locations; i.e. the cornfield etc. I think it will be covered.

 

[Al Hoffman]

With the arraignment Wed morning; does that mean the final autopsy is available to LE? Not expecting it this soon.

Live broadcast or do we have have to rely on the news people?

No, not necessarily. This is kinda pro forma. CR has been charged, this is his chance to respond to that charge with his plea. Foriencsics amassed to date have little to do with it.

It is just the wheels of justice inexorably moving forward, to grind his sorry butt into powder!

 

[Al Hoffman]

I posted an article back some threads that was something about Guerrero having a high incident of violent crime, body dump sites, and insurgent groups. Even though he lived in a small village, I'd be willing to bet the violence was everywhere.

Yes, that MSM sit-rep about possible hostiles and bad guys operating in the same area as the home village was in the back of my mind when I wrote that post and others. And yeah, you're right, in the 3rd world or the Memphis Hood (or Detroit, or...)

Thanks mucho muchacho!

 

[Al Hoffman]

I bookmarked the article, lol

Some of us do hoard for good reasons!