Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #45

[1987]

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[MimosaMornings]

Again, I say that if the venue were moved to New York City. If the jurors were selected from the NYC metro area, but the pool were limited only to Hispanics from the Caribbean, Cuba, South America, Central America, Mexico and Puerto Rico he would still be found guilty by a jury of Hispanic peers. Everyone on that jury will have a sister, a daughter, a girlfriend, or a mother.

Change the venue all you want, the preponderance of the evidence we currently know about is so damming, that a jury of pedophiles from the State Penatentary would find him guilty!

Depends on where they pull the jury pool....Voter registration is where mine came from.

 

[Alethea]

I'm just going to throw this out there. If ANY of the information on the arrest warrants, affidavits etc is incorrect could the whole trial be derailed??? I mean at this point who knows what is correct or not with regards to CR.

Hello! I wouldn't worry about that. In any type of sworn affidavit you are swearing that you have a reasonable belief that the information is true to the best of your knowledge at the time. Honesty and reasonableness are the keys. Problems arise if you intentionally withhold something or make a misleading statement, but if another person in your shoes looked could at the same evidence as you did and come to the same conclusions, you are okay.

When you have a defendant who has apparently been lying about his identity and using forged IDs, it's reasonable to think it will take some investigative time to figure out exactly what the correct information is.

 

[Followfacts]

http://www.dps.state.ia.us/commis/p...-2018_DCI_ArrestWarrantComplaintAffidavit.pdf
He came to an intersection He made a uturn drove back to entrance to a field and then drove in the driveway to cornfield. He then notices the earbud in his lap and that is when he realized he put her in the trunk.

He drives to cornfield with no memory of what he did to Mollie...nothing at all in his mind relating to Mollie... then at cornfield he remembers because of ear piece in his lap that he put her in the trunk?

Why drive to location in the first place if no memory ? If not for earpiece in lap what were you doing driving there? Would her body just stay in the trunk while CR strolls around in cornfield? If no ear piece to remind him??

Honestly this story of his??

Another part I’m just wondering.. Would LE ask him could you use your phone to show us the route you took ?
Is this LE connecting CR to his memory before the ear piece in his lap and mollie in the trunk story.. if CR can show on his phone the route he took that night,
and then guide LE from his own memory to the location of Mollie...
both the phone use by CR of his route taken and CRs’s use of his memory guiding LE to her, aren’t they both pieces of evidence that he had no memory loss?

Re reading the supporting elements of the alleged crime appears to be written to include CR’s story but also to blow up his story. IMO

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[Tiger Stripes]

The State of Iowa is obligated to pay this tab

Trust me on this: We the people of the great state of Iowa are ***not*** all thrilled about our monies going to this! And CR's "constitutional right"? (If I write something here that upsets other WS readers, can I claim a black-out/block-out??!) JMOO

 

[MistyWaters]

I just hope the feds have the correct year. Discrepancies bug me.

the whole of who he is and date of birth, etc. is so shady it might have been better as a john doe and unknown date of birth. I hope they have more than just his word on who he is. sure he had social media in the CR name but it could also be a another fake or assumed name.

Yeah I’d sure hope they have more than his word as well. According to the story so far, the math works that he arrived in the US when he was 16 years of age about 7 years ago, born in 1994, started working at the farm at age 20, just turned 24.

But if he was born in 1997, the story has to shift 3 years forward in time. Arrived in the US at age 13??? Just turned 21? If so, the entire storyline needs a retrofit.

 

[Tiger Stripes]

CR could be prosecuted as John Doe

Really? I was wondering if he could be prosecuted as John Budd (or whatever his alias is).

 

[Al Hoffman]

I just hope the feds have the correct year. Discrepancies bug me.

Again. I expect that CR's attorney filled out the Financal form, and CR signed it. I suspect that the name and DOB on the Financial form are the most accurate, as this was likely told to the attorney directly by CR. The attorney has no reason to knowingly lie on any form he has anything to do with. It could put his licence to practice in jeopardy.

If CR were persuaded to sign anything by Jail or any LE or anyone in authority, without his attorney present, there would be a MAJOR blow up that could put his Miranda and confession in jeopardy. He is being presented as not speaking English well. I doubt he can read that much in English. If he would sign a Financial form without an attorney present, what would stop an unscrupulous detective from walking up to CR with a typed confession, and asking for a signature on these "medical" records, "don't worry about reading it, it's OK" I've heard that story before!

 

[Al Hoffman]

Hello! I wouldn't worry about that. In any type of sworn affidavit you are swearing that you have a reasonable belief that the information is true to the best of your knowledge at the time. Honesty and reasonableness are the keys. Problems arise if you intentionally withhold something or make a misleading statement, but if another person in your shoes looked could at the same evidence as you did and come to the same conclusions, you are okay.

When you have a defendant who has apparently been lying about his identity and using forged IDs, it's reasonable to think it will take some investigative time to figure out exactly what the correct information is.

Welcome back! Your dreams are your ticket out...

 

[1987]

Again. I expect that CR's attorney filled out the Financal form, and CR signed it. I suspect that the name and DOB on the Financial form are the most accurate, as this was likely told to the attorney directly by CR. The attorney has no reason to knowingly lie on any form he has anything to do with. It could put his licence to practice in jeopardy.

If CR were persuaded to sign anything by Jail or any LE or anyone in authority, without his attorney present, there would be a MAJOR blow up that could put his Miranda and confession in jeopardy. He is being presented as not speaking English well. I doubt he can read that much in English. If he would sign a Financial form without an attorney present, what would stop an unscrupulous detective from walking up to CR with a typed confession, and asking for a signature on these "medical" records, "don't worry about reading it, it's OK" I've heard that story before!

well, I assumed CR also directly told LE his birth date and name so apparently he is telling different people different things.

 

[1987]

I am not mistrusting LE and I am not mistrusting CR attorneys. it is CR that I am mistrusting.

 

[Al Hoffman]

my edit tab is still there. maybe too much time passed and it went away? I think there is a time limit?

60 minutes.....

 

[Al Hoffman]

I am not mistrusting LE and I am not mistrusting CR attorneys. it is CR that I am mistrusting.

There is an old song, about a tender hearted woman who saw a beautiful snake, frozen on the side of the road. She took it home, warmed it by the fire, fed it milk and honey, held it to her bosom and it gave her a "big old bite". When she asked why, he replied "because I'm a snake".

You're right, anyone who willingly plays with CR does so at their own risk.

Some times the old songs are the best.....

The Snake - Al Wilson

 

[Alethea]

I am not mistrusting LE and I am not mistrusting CR attorneys. it is CR that I am mistrusting.

I would go with what his attorney submitted. One of the first conversations his attorney would have with him would be about the importance of telling the truth to the attorney. I always sit down with new clients and explain what privilege is and how the whole attorney-client relationship only works if the client is candid and honest with me. We can discuss together what needs to be disclosed but I have to know the truth. Obviously some clients are not going to confess to you even as their attorney, but most understand that their defense lawyer is there to assist them with the case and they understand the issues that can come up if their lawyer submits inaccurate information - it reflects poorly on them and can hurt their whole case.

 

[Al Hoffman]

well, I assumed CR also directly told LE his birth date and name so apparently he is telling different people different things.

You can lie to LE, but NEVER lie to your attorney. You do so at your own peril.

(I was taught this by experienced criminals)

I've never thought that CR was a rocket scientist. Maybe he is just that dumb

 

[MistyWaters]

well, I assumed CR also directly told LE his birth date and name so apparently he is telling different people different things.

Yes I agree, most definitely it’s CR is who is the common source of any conflicting information.

So it just happens in the “four to seven years” timeline that’s often mentioned, there’s a gap of 3 years as well.

“Investigators said Tuesday that Rivera is a Mexican national who has been living illegally in the area for about four to seven years.”
Mollie Tibbetts murder suspect Cristhian Rivera held on $5 million bond

I don’t know, is it possible for someone not to be certain what year they were born or lack the ability to comprehend passage of time in terms of years? And LE has reason to believe CR was born in 1994 due to Mexican data obtained but CR is certain he was born on that same day in 1997? So the Court paid for the PI to go Mexico to search hospital records to resolve the discrepancy? Purely speculation.....

 

[Warwick7]

Wow, I keep thinking of Paul Drake, working for Perry Mason, driving down to Mexico, to find a runaway divorcee.....

If there is any hope of a diminished capacity defence, a PI going to Mexico would be key. This to find medical and school records, and witness accounts that relate a history of Intermittent Explosive Disorder with an inability to recall his actions while acting his rage out. Also finding witnesses who can support a pattern of behavior, both here and in Mexico, and be deposed and appear as witnesses. Also any germane U.S. medical records and corroborating witnesses.

Also, any evidence of childhood, adolescent gang or violence related trauma (even if just witnessed) that could support a PTSD narrative/diagnosis including "black/block" outs, memory loss or active fugue states.

Just as many have been saying on this thread for weeks!

Thanks Warwrick 7, great, informative read.

You are Welcome! The more I read the more irritated I got. You are right on all your points you stated!

 

[Followfacts]

I’m just stuck now on the facts in the supporting elements of the alleged crime?

It’s the sequence of his story and his memory loss that just do not make sense.

If his memory loss is central to his story, then this is why LE asked for him CR to show them the route he took that night using his phone, and then showing taking them by Memory guiding them to Location of her body. If he can remember anything before earpiece part of story, then no memory loss.

Does LE have any prosecutors review the arrest warrant before it is filed? Is the District attorney involved in drawing up the paperwork for the charges? Especially the elements of alleged crime, the narrative?

Does the prosecutor sit in on LE interviews, confessions, statements given by suspects?
http://www.dps.state.ia.us/commis/p...-2018_DCI_ArrestWarrantComplaintAffidavit.pdf

 

[1987]

You can lie to LE, but NEVER lie to your attorney. You do so at your own peril.

(I was taught this by experienced criminals)

I've never thought that CR was a rocket scientist. Maybe he is just that dumb

I think living a lie could cloud some information even to the person that is living it.

 

[Warwick7]

http://www.dps.state.ia.us/commis/p...-2018_DCI_ArrestWarrantComplaintAffidavit.pdf
He came to an intersection He made a uturn drove back to entrance to a field and then drove in the driveway to cornfield. He then notices the earbud in his lap and that is when he realized he put her in the trunk.

He drives to cornfield with no memory of what did to Mollie...nothing at all in his mind relating to Mollie... then at cornfield he remembers because of ear piece in his lap that he put her in the trunk?

Why drive to location in the first place if no memory ? If not for earpiece in lap what were you doing driving there? Would body just stay in trunk while CR strolls around in cornfield? If no ear piece to remind him??

Honestly this story of his??

Another part I’m just wondering.. Would LE ask him could you use your phone to show us the route you took ?
Is this LE tying CR to his memory before the ear piece in his lap and mollie in the trunk story.. if CR can not only show on his phone the route he took that night,
and then guide LE from his own memory to location of Mollie...
both the phone use by CR of his route taken and CRs’s use of his memory guiding LE to her, aren’t they both pieces of evidence that he had no memory loss?

Re reading the supporting elements of the alleged crime appears to be written to include CR’s story but also to blow up his story. IMO

Y know, I've been wanting to comment on the "drove back to."
Think about it.... Wouldn't a persona say: "I did a uturn, stopped at an entrance to a cornfield." This is exactly how a person would talk to tell someone.
Instead he said, "drove back to an entrance.
The first time I read this, I thought to myself the guy drove away then did a urturn and drove back to where he had been.