ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #17

[CanadianWells]

I'm a bit puzzled about Klein's statement that they know the "how" but not the "why". (And now that the parents have been arrested, they are probably the "who"). Ok the how. How what? How they killed him? Unless Deorr's body was found, there is no "how" that can be known? I think someone would have had to have witnessed the killing. So, likely GGP or IR. I wondered if the overalls recovered<modsnip> Horrible thought, I know. By saying they don't know "why" it sounds like it was an intentional act, whatever happened. I hate to think the parents were cold blooded murderers who killed him for no apparent reason. Seems like SOMETHING had to precipitate it, if they are guilty.

Thoughts?

Unless something has changed drastically in the last 10 minutes, the parents haven't been arrested,..? What <modsnip> overalls? I haven't heard anything about those. My thought is that nothing "causes" a parent to kill a child, aside from being a cold blooded killer. Accidents happen, but I don't think I could call someone who killed a child anything less than a cold blooded killer.

 

[Deleted member 718]

RHF In the repository on the state of Idaho website it shows drug convictions for a few of the individuals in question. Do you believe that drugs or any illegal activity lead to Deorr's disappearance?

Like · Reply · 4 · January 11 at 2:40pm

Klein Investigations and Consulting Without geting into specifics we have not found any drug connections. This has been a rabbit since day one that has nothing to do with the case.

Like · Reply · 13 · January 11 at 2:43pm

https://www.facebook.com/KleinInvestigations/posts/937132659702652

Ha! You are so fast!! I'm probably splitting hairs here, but drug connections is a little different than drug use. The former sounds to me, moo, like a drug dealer type connection.

Kinda like the campsite vs. the mountain. But I'm a stubborn fool. :blushing: Time will tell I guess.

 

[neesaki]

Yes! The grandfather's interview was more than a little odd with his verbiage of the situation! And for him to point the finger at IR too... For shame!

He also pointed it at GGP.

Btw, does anyone remember whose overalls / coveralls were taken from the campsite as evidence ? TIA

 

[haven71]

Unless something has changed drastically in the last 10 minutes, the parents haven't been arrested,..? What <modsnip> overalls? I haven't heard anything about those. My thought is that nothing "causes" a parent to kill a child, aside from being a cold blooded killer. Accidents happen, but I don't think I could call someone who killed a child anything less than a cold blooded killer.

I have a feeling you know I misspoke, sorry for the confusion though.

 

[OSpyder]

He also pointed it at GGP.

Btw, does anyone remember whose overalls / coveralls were taken from the campsite as evidence ? TIA

"And ax and a pair of coveralls from Walton..."

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/0...receives-solid-tip-on-toddlers-disappearance/

 

[kammiemc]

Unless something has changed drastically in the last 10 minutes, the parents haven't been arrested,..? What <modsnip> overalls? I haven't heard anything about those. My thought is that nothing "causes" a parent to kill a child, aside from being a cold blooded killer. Accidents happen, but I don't think I could call someone who killed a child anything less than a cold blooded killer.

Vilt said GGP's coveralls were taken as evidence in his interview. Assuming he got that info from the suspects.


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[Deleted member 718]

He also pointed it at GGP.

Btw, does anyone remember whose overalls / coveralls were taken from the campsite as evidence ? TIA

"Vilt tells EastIdahoNews.com that during his investigation he learned the FBI collected several items from everyone at the campsite, including an ax and pair of coveralls from Walton."

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/0...receives-solid-tip-on-toddlers-disappearance/

 

[CanadianWells]

I have a feeling you know I misspoke, sorry for the confusion though.

I'm not sure what you mean by misspoke! Sorry! I'm just trying to clarify things for myself. The links people have sent filled me in on my missing coveralls and axe, so thanks for pointing that out because I was in the dark. Those articles don't mention <modsnip> though... Is there a msm article or interview you could point me to? If not, no worries. I'm not good at re-finding links, so I'd understand.

 

[haven71]

What I mean about cold-blooded murder is that if it was done methodically. As opposed to a "crime of passion" i guess they call it. If they unleashed on him for something and he was killed, that would probably be the "why" that Klein is referring to. I hope you are not inferring I think anything "causes" a parent to kill a child. However, if there was abuse there's a good chance the parent(s) were angry at him. "Cause" seems to place blame on the child. But MOTIVE is quite another thing which is always investigated.

Unless something has changed drastically in the last 10 minutes, the parents haven't been arrested,..? What <modsnip> overalls? I haven't heard anything about those. My thought is that nothing "causes" a parent to kill a child, aside from being a cold blooded killer. Accidents happen, but I don't think I could call someone who killed a child anything less than a cold blooded killer.

 

[giagreen]

Someone whose job revolves around a valid CDL. Driving under the influence of anything would mean he was out of work for a few years, at least. CDL holders are held to more rigid standards. If he has Hazmat certification, he'd be held to even stricter standards. Getting the CDL back after suspension would be massively expensive and he'd have a hard time getting hired by some companies due to higher insurance, etc.



BBM- His lawyer is smart enough to tell him to lay low. His lawyer isn't stupid.

I still think IR was "coached" in some way. I wouldn't be surprised if GGP was as well. It could have been as simple as DK and JM telling them exactly how they wanted them to remember things. If GGP and IR weren't around when Deorr disappeared, they wouldn't know what was going on and would only know the parents version of events. If they told LE exactly what JM and KD told them, would they pass a polygraph? Is it lying if you don't know the truth?

All theyd have to do is say Jessica was driving.

And I just don't beleive he is that dumb that he could so easily be able to believe he seen things or didnt because someone told him to. And the thing is he didn't pass a polygraph.

 

[Deleted member 718]

RHF In the repository on the state of Idaho website it shows drug convictions for a few of the individuals in question. Do you believe that drugs or any illegal activity lead to Deorr's disappearance?

Like · Reply · 4 · January 11 at 2:40pm

Klein Investigations and Consulting Without geting into specifics we have not found any drug connections. This has been a rabbit since day one that has nothing to do with the case.

Like · Reply · 13 · January 11 at 2:43pm

https://www.facebook.com/KleinInvestigations/posts/937132659702652

I just noticed that while he refutes drug connections, he seems to breeze over the 'illegal activity" part. Probably nothing. Maybe. :thinking:

 

[renarde]

He also pointed it at GGP.

Btw, does anyone remember whose overalls / coveralls were taken from the campsite as evidence ? TIA

Vilt was the one who mentioned coveralls and the axe. I think he stated the overalls belonged to GGP. I distinctly remember that visual Vilt created when he seemingly threw GGP under the bus.

Whatever happened to Vilt? Nate should try to interview him again.

 

[OSpyder]

Stupid question... Other than money, would there be any other reasons JM hasn't hired an attorney yet?

 

[Deleted member 718]

All theyd have to do is say Jessica was driving.

And I just don't beleive he is that dumb that he could so easily be able to believe he seen things or didnt because someone told him to. And the thing is he didn't pass a polygraph.

I'm not sure Jessica had a valid drivers' license.

 

[bessie]

Ha! You are so fast!! I'm probably splitting hairs here, but drug connections is a little different than drug use. The former sounds to me, moo, like a drug dealer type connection.

Kinda like the campsite vs. the mountain. But I'm a stubborn fool. :blushing: Time will tell I guess.

I won't argue with you there. Since Klein wasn't specific, the question remains open, and his statement doesn't preclude the use of legal, prescription drugs. You're right -- only time will tell. Here's hoping answers come soon, and little DeOrr no longer will be lost.

 

[Hoosier952]

Hoosier, that is a very good point. I should have thought about CDL's. Thank you for bringing that up! My husband and I work for a very large road construction company and any damage acquired to any of our company trucks (for example, one of our guys smokes a deer while driving at night in the middle of nowhere) there is an investigation of both the driver and the situation. Hence, the driver of the vehicle is suspended from work until all is cleared on their behalf. And that is a DEER! I'm not, in any way, clear of how a CDL would be affected in a personal vehicle on that note though. Under the influence or not...

I know that laws vary by state, but I'd say most states would have similar consequences. If you lose your standard DL for any type of violation (like too many tickets), you lose your CDL. However, there are serious violations that will result in the loss of CDL without the loss of standard DL. For instance, driving a personal vehicle over the states legal BAC would result in loss of both licenses, but driving a commercial vehicle would only require a BAC of .04 to lose the CDL. There are other more serious violations as well. I may have mistaken the amount of time one could lose their CDL, but I do know there are harsher consequences for CDL holders.

 

[giagreen]

I just had a horrible thought!!!
What if we all never know? What if this turns into a ten year mystery?

If the parents did it or didnt and just stick to their story then what? Seems like LE is fishing for anything to bring charges so that kinda makes me feel that as of today they just don't have enough for a charge. So if they just keep saying they didn't have anything to do with it...then what?
I think I know what Klein may have ment by the grand jury comment.

 

[renarde]

Stupid question... Other than money, would there be any other reasons JM hasn't hired an attorney yet?

Maybe she is also incapacitated and cannot function... like she seemed in that one interview.

 

[kammiemc]

Maybe she is also incapacitated and cannot function... like she seemed in that one interview.

She has family members who are quite active in this case--even just by MSM. Perhaps they could help her find a lawyer?


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[OSpyder]

Maybe she is also incapacitated and cannot function... like she seemed in that one interview.

By cannot, do you mean she is incapable of functioning (for whatever reason, as there seem to be many in such a tragic scenario) or that somebody kinda has her hands tied behind her back (metaphorically speaking). I mean, I can't help but notice how PO'd she looks in a lot of her pictures. She tends to do the sideways glare a LOT towards DK. Am I just imaging that?