ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #18

[bluesneakers]

Right? I still have this feeling that DK's 911 run is an important piece of this puzzle. I know nothing much about speech analysts except watching a video, but the fact that DK over-explained why he hauled up the road to make the call three times in that interview with Nate (without being asked about it even once) and that he felt "blessed" that JM's call went through, just sends off alarm bells that he is being less than truthful. Aka lying.

Me too. I think it's possible he made the call from where he was and not he went there to make the call.

Like Rayemonde said I hope they searched those areas as well, but how would they know where he was when he made the call? Even if they could get the information from his phone, they couldn't know where was he 10 or 20 minutes earlier.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

True. We don't really know who drove what, do we? Maybe JM drove one vehicle and DK drove the other... Maybe IR drove. Maybe they took turns... we don't even know if little DeOrr had a car seat. Or which vehicle he was in. Do we?

GGF= Suburban; VDK + JM= Pick up; IR in car with GGF

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

Overkill, just like Vilt said about JM keeping on looking back to see baby.

 

[renarde]

(modsnip)

Did DeOrr have a car seat on July 10,2015? Was he in it? I keep remembering that photo of him with JM kissing him... where are they in that picture? A truck?

 

[carbuff]

Right? I still have this feeling that DK's 911 run is an important piece of this puzzle. I know nothing much about speech analysts except watching a video, but the fact that DK over-explained why he hauled up the road to make the call three times in that interview with Nate (without being asked about it even once) and that he felt "blessed" that JM's call went through, just sends off alarm bells that he is being less than truthful. Aka lying.

This. Yes. Exactly. And it's not the only thing he overexplained.

I don't know whether the things he's overexplaining are untrue, though. He might be focusing on the parts he's sure are true and don't lead to the part he doesn't want to talk about. Talking around it rather than about it, basically.

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

(modsnip)

Did DeOrr have a car seat on July 10,2015? Was he in it? I keep remembering that photo of him with JM kissing him... where are they in that picture? A truck?

Speaking of car seats, at what age/weight can a child be front-facing? The one pic of baby in a car seat shows him facing front.

 

[ClaireNC]

Right? I still have this feeling that DK's 911 run is an important piece of this puzzle. I know nothing much about speech analysis except watching a video, but the fact that DK over-explained why he hauled up the road to make the call three times in that interview with Nate (without being asked about it even once) and that he felt "blessed" that JM's call went through, just sends off alarm bells that he is being less than truthful. Aka lying.

Exactly. I do have some experience with speech analysis and those are telltale signs that somebody is lying. IMO

Edit to add: I see Carbuff just said the same thing and I agree, it does not necessarily give an indication of what he is lying about. Just that he is lying.

 

[Dee10]

He wouldn't know how long it would take for S & R or police to arrive, but he would know it takes appox. 45 min. from area of the store perhaps. Hopefully there they have developed something from his cell phone and with any luck pings.

From the radio transcript:

25:57
SB: Sure. There were multiple calls, you know, and we’ve checked some of them out. Some of them were attempted and they didn’t go through. Some of them weren’t received. Some of them were made to them that didn’t go through. That’s kind of an area where the cell service is not consistent. We seized …we were actually given all cell phones and we gathered the data from those and have examined them extensively and still are.

 

[desert-blue]

I so agree. Seeing that the FBI has concluded that the parents have been repeatedly untruthful about not knowing what happened to their son and where he is, I don't think it's a leap to assume that the details they have given about how they discovered he was gone are also less than truthful. IMO, I think the minnows prompting DK to go retrieve his son is a crock.

I agree. I think their (the parents) whole timeline is a work of fiction, outside of the time stamp on the store receipt. MOO.

 

[Mickshawn]

Little DeOrr may have:

1) Wandered off BEFORE the camping trip, been FOUND by his parents or somebody and he was injured/worse.

2) Wandered off DURING the camping trip, been FOUND by his parents or somebody and he was injured/worse.

 

[ILOKAL]

I would recommend watching the first interview they gave. In that interview DK said they saw minnows (he specifically mentioned minnows by name) while they were exploring, then went back to get DeOrr. There was no mention of IR at all. JM didn't deny this nor did she attempt to correct him. Now we have a different version. I think we can see for ourselves how DK has been less than truthful since DeOrr has gone missing.

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The point, as I explained it, in response to CJIdaho, is that they never left to go FIND MINNOWS. They left to see the FISH. Then, while there, they SAW SOME MINNOWS, which is what I said and what Vernal said in the interview. There is no discrepancy.

 

[persimmon]

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Where they drug tested for pot? I was unsure of that. And if tested for pot I'm not sure if that proves they were high well DeOrr went missing because pot stays in your system for 30 days give or take.

Way back in the beginning I also suggested maybe they went off to smoke a joynt or for some adult time. But seems that isn't what happen so I've kinda dropped that idea. But just because DK drives truck doesn't mean he doesn't smoke pot. Idk about other trucking companies but the two that my sons father has worked for don't drug test unless your in an accident. Otherwise its been one drug test before starting and that's usually all for insurance reasons.

Drug tests administered by employers is not the same as those given by LE where an officer almost watches the subject throughout the process to ensure they supply their own sample. People can even purchase clean urine online to pass workplace drug tests. Cheating those tests is a common occurence and there is a market for it.

I live in an area where marajuana is legal so I guess I have grown to not consider it a drug, regardless I do not think it lends itself toward reckless criminal behavior of this sort. Child neglect goes hand in hand with harder drugs..most specifically methamphetamines.

 

[ClaireNC]

Little DeOrr may have:

1) Wandered off BEFORE the camping trip, been FOUND by his parents or somebody and he was injured/worse.

2) Wandered off DURING the camping trip, been FOUND by his parents or somebody and he was injured/worse.

But that goes back to, Why would the parents fabricate this big story if it was an accident?

:scared:

 

[Rayemonde]

He hasn't been "forthcoming" is a suspicious term to me.

I don't see it that way... IMO someone with dementia might be less than forthcoming because they are trying to hide the fact that they can't remember something... They might be evasive or reluctant to answer a question because they are trying to hide the fact that they don't remember, or they might agree with you or make up an answer to a question because they are embarrassed by the fact that they can't remember something and they don't want to admit that they don't know. I got the impression that's the kind of thing that SB meant. And as far as we know, the fbi behavioural analysts haven't given any indication that ggp knows what happened to DeOrr.

 

[Mickshawn]

I know some people have said it sounds unrealistic for the parents to search for an hour before calling 911... I've never lost a child but just a couple of weeks ago I let my dogs in the garden, then followed them out a couple of minutes later - and saw that part of the the fence had blown down and they were gone. I felt absolutely frantic and ran up and down for literally a couple of minutes looking for them before I had my phone out to call my family to come and help look for them... I was calling my family on my cell as I was still running around looking, and that's what the parents could have done rather than hauling off down the road looking for signal.

Granted this was a different situation because dogs can move very quickly unlike a toddler, and I was concerned about the dogs getting into a nearby sheep field and killing sheep or being shot by a farmer, or being hit by a car... But my heart is racing now just from remembering how frantic I felt after just a couple of minutes. If it were a toddler that was missing, around water and with wild animals around... I can't even imagine how I would feel. There's no way it would take me an hour to make that call. Every minute would have felt like an hour. And when I called 911 I definitely would have sounded hysterical rather than calm. Yes everybody reacts differently and all that jazz, but an hour... When there was all that water around, and everyone knows it takes no time at all for a toddler to drown...

ETA my dogs came back after a few minutes by themselves, and I have now put a sign on my door to remind myself to always check the fence *before* I let the dogs out, just in case.

I volunteer with a Lost Dog Recovery group...I UNDERSTAND!!!!!!

 

[MBK]

I actually get what you are saying and your logic makes some sense. However, we don't know if there were any minnows.

No minnows. No mountain lion. We've crossed the Rubicon.

 

[carbuff]

I don't see it that way... IMO someone with dementia might be less than forthcoming because they are trying to hide the fact that they can't remember something... They might be evasive or reluctant to answer a question because they are trying to hide the fact that they don't remember, or they might agree with you or make up an answer to a question because they are embarrassed by the fact that they can't remember something and they don't want to admit that they don't know. I got the impression that's the kind of thing that SB meant. And as far as we know, the fbi behavioural analysts haven't given any indication that ggp knows what happened to DeOrr.

Yeah, that's what my mother-in-law did when she was in the later stages of dementia (Parkinson's in her case). She'd smile brightly and give an answer she thought you wanted to hear and it might not be connected to reality, let alone truth.

 

[Hippie Heart]

I don't think I've ever heard it said that IR saw DK alive when they came back from the store. IIRC IR just said that he saw him at the campground, not when.

So IMO something must've happened on the way to or from the store. I said it before and I'll say it again, if it was in fact DK was the filthy crying baby at the store, they may have accidentally disciplined him too far on the way back to the campsite.

I'm starting to wonder if VDK stayed with JM until the 911 call was complete and LE had told them it would be a while before they got there, then he hauled back down the road to cover up evidence and once he was done placed a 911 call to cover why he drove down the road. I still haven't released his 911 caller said what time it was made, so this is definitely a possibility.

What's interesting though is that LE must've given them an estimate of time for them to arrive, there's no way the parents could've known it would take a couple of hours for anybody to get there.

I'm wondering if they weren't in a daze after returning from the store because something happened on the way to or from the store. Then said let's try and play it off and distract IR and GGP and then say went missing. I don't know, the stupid timeline is what makes everything so questionable!

I just know that the tone of voice on the 911 call is not consistent with a mother who just lost her two-year-old. I would've been hysterical. And her demeanor during the interview was absolutely bizarre. His answers and rambling on about the search team and praising them was equally bizarre. In my opinion, they have not acted in anyway consistent with parents who have lost their little boy.

 

[leep]

JMO, but it's pretty obviously that SB thinks the parents have lied. You have to do some impressive mental gymnastics to try and twist his words to mean otherwise imo.

This all over, mental gymnastics lol but totally true.


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[CJidaho]

This. Yes. Exactly. And it's not the only thing he overexplained.

I don't know whether the things he's overexplaining are untrue, though. He might be focusing on the parts he's sure are true and don't lead to the part he doesn't want to talk about. Talking around it rather than about it, basically.

This is exactly what my teenage son does when trying to come clean about something. He talks a bunch of nonsense about everything but the main point. This is how I always catch him...he gets overly chatty about things that have nothing to do with the real issue he wants to bring up.