ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #20

[bessie]

One thing that Klein said has really struck me. When asked about what person besides the POI's last saw DeOrr, Klein answered, "There is none."

I thought I read it wrong at first. Could it be that DeOrr had not been seen for so many days that the parents couldn't give the real account of when someone last saw him without flagging that something happened to him prior to the trip? I just don't get it. There has to be a last person to see him, right? Even if you have to go back to, say, the 4th of July.

Did Klein ever say that the "incident" happened on the mountain during the timeline?

Or could it be that poor little guy was in such bad shape before the trip that they couldn't let anyone see him (or deceased)?


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What he actually said was, "there are none." The questions begin with "when", and "are none" would not be an answer to a "when" question.

I believe "are none" (plural) refers to the comment about sightings.

So no sightings, such as in the store. And no answer to when he was last seen.


NR: Sorry if this has been asked. When was the last time someone OTHER than Reinwand, Walton, Mitchell and Kunz saw DeOrr?

RJ: Yeah, and not vague "well, there might have been a child in store" sightings...
When was the last time someone definitely saw him in Idaho Falls? The extended family have never said when they last saw him. And did he seem healthy and happy the last time he was seen?

Klein Investigations and Consulting There are none.

 

[Jackeee]

I read someplace, don't recall where, that Reinwand's family is wealthy. IMO

I also read here, way way back, that there is a lawyer in his family. The lawyer IR has retained has a different last name so there may or may not be a connection.

 

[bessie]

I'm really beginning to think little DeOrr was never alive at the campsite. Either the other two adults were fooled into thinking he was asleep or with the parents, or they're actively helping cover up what they know happened. Either way, I think he died before the camping trip. I hope they are tearing apart the parents' home.

Here's another "when" question.

Q: When did something happen? Before or after the store?
A: Goes to timeline -- 8 a.m.-2:26 p.m.


DG: Do you think something happened to DeOrr before or after the time stamp on the store receipt?

Klein Investigations and Consulting: This goes to timeline. I can say publicly that we have expanded the timeline down to 8 a.m. and between that hour and 2:26 p.m.

 

[ILOKAL]

They may be innocent, but they're not exactly acting like it with the story (as told to and confirmed by LE) changing multiple times.

Even if you ignore the two PI's damning reports it remains a fact that LE are very suspicious. They are working closely with another police force and the FBI on this. They've based their decision to make the parents suspects on a hell of a lot more info than we have.

I think we'd all prefer the "DeOrr ran and ran until he fell asleep but sadly never awoke" option and hope that turns out to be the case. It wouldn't explain the discrepancies in the parents version(s) though.

What are the discrepancies?

 

[SweetT]

So I called the Silver dollar restaurant bar at the phone number according to google because I was going to ask their summer hours etc and when they stop serving food. As I live in Montana and we like to camp, so I'd like to know in case we decided to go out that way. Anyway, the phone rang and rang and finally someone picked up, but it was like a baby, jabbering etc. I could hear a woman in the background saying something like yea he picked up the phone and then something about someone getting off or on the computer, but no adult ever picked up. I finally hung up.
Just wanted to throw that out there. Could be wrong number, IDK.

I wanted to add, I have been camping hiking fairly close to that particular area on the Montana side and last yr my daughter and her husband did camp in Idaho at the end of July for her honeymoon. I tried to persuade her and her hubby to go search that area for Deorr, but they never made it down there.

 

[bessie]

What are the discrepancies?

We don't know, but we've been assured by the best possible authority on this case that they do, indeed, exist.

 

[Lilibet]

What are the discrepancies?

I don't think SB elaborated about the variations in their stories. So we don't really know what the discrepancies are specifically AFAIK.

 

[ILOKAL]

Here's another "when" question.

Q: When did something happen? Before or after the store?
A: Goes to timeline -- 8 a.m.-2:26 p.m.


DG: Do you think something happened to DeOrr before or after the time stamp on the store receipt?

Klein Investigations and Consulting: This goes to timeline. I can say publicly that we have expanded the timeline down to 8 a.m. and between that hour and 2:26 p.m.

Wasn't the first documented 911 call at 2:22? I wonder why Klein is ending his timeline at 2:26?

 

[carbuff]

Respectfully, did it ever occur to you they may all be equally innocent?

I won't say I believe all parties are completely innocent, but I haven't seen anything in the recent interviews to move me off my position of neutrality. I have a high regard for the job the sheriff and the rest of the investigators have been doing, but that doesn't mean they're right. They still haven't told us any real information or evidence.

 

[ILOKAL]

We don't know, but we've been assured by the best possible authority on this case that they do, indeed, exist.

I think if these "discrepancies" were significant they would have failed at least ONE of their polygraphs. IMO, the same type of polygraph wasn't administered every time, over and over and over again. There are many different types of polygraphs and it would make sense (to me) that a different type was used each time in an effort to get a "fail", and STILL, all inconclusive results. IMO, that means much more than any perceived "discrepancies". JMVHO

 

[Midge Montana]

What he actually said was, "there are none." The questions begin with "when", and "are none" would not be an answer to a "when" question.

I believe "are none" (plural) refers to the comment about sightings.

So no sightings, such as in the store. And no answer to when he was last seen.


NR: Sorry if this has been asked. When was the last time someone OTHER than Reinwand, Walton, Mitchell and Kunz saw DeOrr?

RJ: Yeah, and not vague "well, there might have been a child in store" sightings...
When was the last time someone definitely saw him in Idaho Falls? The extended family have never said when they last saw him. And did he seem healthy and happy the last time he was seen?

Klein Investigations and Consulting There are none.

Aha! Thank you for figuring that out for me!

 

[Midge Montana]

ullhair: :banghead:

 

[Coolmomof4]

Here's another "when" question.

Q: When did something happen? Before or after the store?
A: Goes to timeline -- 8 a.m.-2:26 p.m.


DG: Do you think something happened to DeOrr before or after the time stamp on the store receipt?

Klein Investigations and Consulting: This goes to timeline. I can say publicly that we have expanded the timeline down to 8 a.m. and between that hour and 2:26 p.m.

The store trip where V and J went in then later V tried to bully the clerk into saying DeOrr was there?

Yeah I don't think DeOrr was ever in the store.

 

[Mickshawn]

I wonder how the family is feeling now about hiring the Klein team?

 

[ILOKAL]

The store trip where V and J went in then later V tried to bully the clerk into saying DeOrr was there?

Yeah I don't think DeOrr was ever in the store.

Respectfully, "quizzed" and "bullied" are two entirely different things, IMO!

 

[carbuff]

Respectfully, "quizzed" and "bullied" are two entirely different things, IMO!

The description of his behavior is not hard to construe as bullying, unfortunately.

 

[sunflowerchick]

I read all of the Q&A with the PI yesterday and I need to say this: My position and thoughts in this case still haven't changed. In fact, I found the responses by the PI to be brief, arrogant and uninformative. I found myself wondering why they even agreed to do it when most of their responses were "no comment". I obviously didn't get as much out of it as everyone else here seems to have.

I am not so eager to jump off the fence and say LE is heading in the right direction. Just because LE has named the parents suspects does not convince me of their guilt. LE has been wrong before.

The truth is, we still have nothing. I do agree with the PI on one thing. The primary focus is on finding "little man". Everything else is a sideshow.

 

[Coolmomof4]

Respectfully, "quizzed" and "bullied" are two entirely different things, IMO!

Sure. But if DeOrr was never there then what's the point of quizzing the store clerk?

 

[ILOKAL]

Nate Eaton asked:

"Did they stop any other places on their *way up TO Leadore*?"

Deputy Penner replied:

"They stopped to get diesel."

 

[ILOKAL]

The description of his behavior is not hard to construe as bullying, unfortunately.

ONLY if that's how one wants to (mis)construe it. IMO