ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #20

[Rayemonde]

July 31St 2015:

DeOrr’s parents confirm they have been in contact with the FBI and, according to Kunz, investigators have searched their house and vehicles.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Media-Timelines-and-Maps-**NO-DISCUSSION-quot

 

[giagreen]

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That's not really the point. The point is that all it takes is one small detail to throw off someone's perception. And I think with all this speculation here obviously we are missing some small detail. That small detail could lead to DeOrr.

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[Mickshawn]

I wonder how much snow/ice is on the ground up there? (Campsite area).

 

[Rayemonde]

Oct 2015:

SB: You know, I&#8217;m still getting calls from volunteers from all over the United States offering to come in with their dogs. I&#8217;m not sure at this point we&#8217;ve uh&#8230;We&#8217;ve covered every inch literally 20-30 times. You know, I&#8217;m not sure how productive that would be, so I&#8217;ve asked them to use their resources for something that is maybe a little bit more um&#8230;fresh as far as someone going missing. You know keep their resources close for their own uh&#8230;for their own cases and uh and I feel like we&#8217;ve done an adequate and a complete search.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Timelines-and-Maps-**NO-DISCUSSION-quot/page2

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

"follow-up investigations into any possible criminal histories of those involved" never made sense to me.

Further, is it odd that Bingham County investigators were following up on these possible criminal histories? Were any of the people involved (that we know of) from there?

I wonder how much snow/ice is on the ground up there? (Campsite area).

SB mentioned 4-6 feet in the TCR interview I think?

 

[white rabbit]

LE, vilt and klein don't believe the parents so neither do I. not that I have much faith in the 2nd. JMO. but the 1st and 3rd were verrrry careful in their q & a with reporters and the public. so IMO they've turned over evidence and are letting the prosecutor do his/her job.

the most telling to me is whether or not deorr was at the silver dollar. I tend to say yes, since klein starts the timeline at 8am...my guess is that's when someone woke up (IR) and didn't see him. his "no comment" to what happened that day tells us he either doesn't remember (otherwise compromised by alternative substances) or doesn't want to implicate himself or others until he takes the stand...

hopefully (as another poster said) ms. cox either remembers him being there or doesn't. regardless, the reporter didn't ask the question. so we don't know.

also MOO the parents going to the stage the next day with no known sighting doesn't sit well. DK asked if the clerk saw him, then SB stated someone pumping gas "thought" they saw a child in the car. that's a biggie. SB can't say for sure, neither can the clerk nor the witness.

so my ultimate question is, when was homicide committed on deorr. sorry folks. that's what I believe, I can't believe however I'm typing it 'out loud'. IMO both parents are guilty no matter what.

 

[Midge Montana]

Can someone tell me what is the last/most recently stated story the parents were pushing was?

As far as I know, it was the abduction theory, but admittedly I may have missed an updated theory from them. I'm just trying to figure out their line of thinking.

So...if they truly believed Baby DeOrr was abducted, why did they continue to search time after time around the campground? And also, if they truly thought he was abducted, why would they argue against the reward money and spreading the word nationally and (allegedly) lie and say the Sheriff advised against it?

I also found it rather queer that they didn't publicly campaign on TV, radio, etc. furiously to appeal to the supposed abductors to bring their toddler home. IIRC, there were just two TV interviews and they became pretty scarce after that. This is contradictory IMO to how missing children parents typically act. It just makes no sense to me, which is why I'm wondering if I missed something where they changed their theory.

 

[bessie]

"follow-up investigations into any possible criminal histories of those involved" never made sense to me.

Maybe I'm missing your point. Why would researching the backgrounds of individuals who might be responsible, (i.e., POI's who were present) not make sense?

 

[ReadySet]

"follow-up investigations into any possible criminal histories of those involved" never made sense to me.

I took that to mean that because LE often does a parallel investigation in the case of a missing child (searching for the child while at the same time investigating a possible crime) the campers must all be investigated

 

[white rabbit]

(some sleuthers here also do parallel "investigations" of those involved while trying to solve the crime and locate the missing...just don't post the 'findings' because it's against TOS until those involved are named as suspects).

not speaking of rabbits of course :blushing: they're vewy quiet little ones...

 

[renarde]

LE, vilt and klein don't believe the parents so neither do I. not that I have much faith in the 2nd. JMO. but the 1st and 3rd were verrrry careful in their q & a with reporters and the public. so IMO they've turned over evidence and are letting the prosecutor do his/her job.

the most telling to me is whether or not deorr was at the silver dollar. I tend to say yes, since klein starts the timeline at 8am...my guess is that's when someone woke up (IR) and didn't see him. his "no comment" to what happened that day tells us he either doesn't remember (otherwise compromised by alternative substances) or doesn't want to implicate himself or others until he takes the stand...

hopefully (as another poster said) ms. cox either remembers him being there or doesn't. regardless, the reporter didn't ask the question. so we don't know.

also MOO the parents going to the stage the next day with no known sighting doesn't sit well. DK asked if the clerk saw him, then SB stated someone pumping gas "thought" they saw a child in the car. that's a biggie. SB can't say for sure, neither can the clerk nor the witness.

so my ultimate question is, when was homicide committed on deorr. sorry folks. that's what I believe, I can't believe however I'm typing it 'out loud'. IMO both parents are guilty no matter what.

Why does Klein start his timeline at 8 a.m.?

 

[Paulas88]

Why does Klein start his timeline at 8 a.m.?

Last time a witness had eyes on DeOrr?

 

[white rabbit]

IMO because if true, deorr was last seen at the silver dollar @ 9:30 at night and IR said he woke up at 8 and never saw him.

DK and JM fabricated the morning story and "walk to the minnows" BS...implicating IR and GGPA as staying behind and 'watching him' without ever getting either to comprehend the 'story', agree to it, nor repeat it correctly.

so taking all four "accounts" into play, from 8:00am on, one at least never saw deorr. that's when the "timeline" begins. the "crimeline", however, could've happened well before that...

 

[renarde]

Last time a witness had eyes on DeOrr?

A witness other than the 4 adults? Where? What were the Stage Stop hours that Friday?

 

[bluesneakers]

Maybe I'm missing your point. Why would researching the backgrounds of individuals who might be responsible, (i.e., POI's who were present) not make sense?

It's the offering help part that confused me. It's simple to check someone's criminal history even in a different county. I think it must mean investigating the actual cases and crimes and it makes sense they would do that - but it's worded in a weird way. Maybe it's just me.

 

[Paulas88]

A witness other than the 4 adults? Where? What were the Stage Stop hours that Friday?

That's the million dollar question. Lol. Maybe adjacent camper?

 

[bessie]

Last time a witness had eyes on DeOrr?

I believe so. When a person goes missing, the first objective is to establish a time last seen/last known alive. The investigation proceeds from the TLS/LKA. As the investigation develops, the timeline might be extended backward to include relevant events leading up to the TLS/LKA. It makes no sense to begin a timeline at a point after the TLS/LKA because that omits a period where relevant events might have occurred.

 

[Mickshawn]

A witness other than the 4 adults? Where? What were the Stage Stop hours that Friday?

I'm confused about this as well....

 

[bessie]

It's the offering help part that confused me. It's simple to check someone's criminal history even in a different county. I think it must mean investigating the actual cases and crimes and it makes sense they would do that - but it's worded in a weird way. Maybe it's just me.

IMO, it's a matter of available resources. Also, a county where a crime might have occurred would have more comprehensive information in their records than what is available in a database search.

 

[bessie]

IMO because if true, deorr was last seen at the silver dollar @ 9:30 at night and IR said he woke up at 8 and never saw him.

DK and JM fabricated the morning story and "walk to the minnows" BS...implicating IR and GGPA as staying behind and 'watching him' without ever getting either to comprehend the 'story', agree to it, nor repeat it correctly.

so taking all four "accounts" into play, from 8:00am on, one at least never saw deorr. that's when the "timeline" begins. the "crimeline", however, could've happened well before that...

I disagree, Rabbit. That would indicate whatever happened occurred between 9:30 p.m. Thursday and 8:00 a.m. Friday, and the "whatever happened" is then left out of the timeline.

Here's what Klein said in the Q & A:

KIC: Very good question. We answered that in one of the many interviews - and I will got over it again. When we first started this case we thought we had the timeline down pretty tight - however - now we have four more witnesses that open the timeline to an extended period. That timeline is now 8 a.m. to 2:26 pm.
February 2 at 12:33pm

https://www.facebook.com/bellasfriendsuamc/posts/1688440941411392

The 8:00 a.m. witness is not IR, imo.