ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #20

[giagreen]

Does anyone here have any clue on when they think this will break wide open? I don't think I can handle another FB Q&A.

Deorr brought me to WS. I cannot leave him until this is resolved.

At first I thought the parents were suspect, then I read the Missing 411 threads and a few of the books, that actually changed my mind to an accident (not bigfoot or UFOs) that the parent's covered up due to illegal drugs.

Now....I have no idea what to think. I have a horrible thought that involves all four POIs, Deorr Jr, a camper, a secluded place and exchange of money and services.

This is all MY OPINION AND SPECULATION ONLY.

I wish we new. I've never felt the parents had anything to do with this. Just my personal gut feeling and observations from other cases I've followed along with. But if sb says they are suspects I do believe him because he seems like a very cautious guy who wouldn't say that unless he fully believed it. And he knows more then us. But LE has been wrong before. All I know is if the parents were involved I'd just like to know without a doubt it's true rather then all these fb q&a.

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[Deleted member 718]

Good Point. They could have also had a Spotting Scope which is similar to binoculars but even better. Hunters sometimes use spotting scopes to look at great distances. They are much more common lately than years ago.

A good pair of binoculars also helps to look at great distances.

What if the other campers had a drone camera? Those cameras attached to a drone helicopter. They flew it over Deorr's campsite.

It might explain why the Sheriff had one up there to collect evidence for a future trial. They needed to recreate what the other campers filmed.




It would be similar to this video taken at another campground near Leadore.

[video=youtube;e2bL5uhb8IY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2bL5uhb8IY[/video]

 

[desert-blue]

Maybe they partied all night and someone crashed at the campsite and left at 8 AM to go back to work. (A stretch, yes! But they might have known people at the tavern or met them.)

I too am curious about the 8:00 AM start to the timeline. I am wondering if they did stay up all night in the company of other persons. It's strange that so little has been released about Thursday night (and how everyone thought for so long that they arrived Friday....). I'm thinking they were drinking or whatever, being irresponsible, and that's why it hasn't been mentioned. Whoever the company was can vouch that during the night they did not witness anything happen to DeOrr. Perhaps they saw DeOrr before he was put to bed (in a vehicle, I assume) and can also provide an alibi for the parents during the night. If the company left at 8:00 AM (or conversely, the POI's left from the location of the all-nighter), that would start the time that DeOrr was only around the four POI's. From that point forward, it would be anyone's guess as to what happened. Cell phone pings during this time might show their movements? I'm having a hard time thinking his death occurred at the campground because no evidence has been found and the dogs didn't pick up his scent there. He could have died in one of the vehicles, but again no evidence was found (that we know of). I don't think they fixed breakfast or spent any amount of time exploring or fishing. So, what did they do? I think DeOrr died earlier, well before the trip to the store. It would be interesting to know what time they set out for the store. I suspect they may have been gone a lot longer than it would actually take for a trip to the store. Anyway, just my thoughts at the moment (give me 5 minutes and they may change...).

 

[Coolmomof4]

Yes. This! I now 100% believe that DeOrr was NEVER there. IMO

Me too.

 

[desert-blue]

Me too.

I keep coming back to that as well... but if that's the case, I really don't understand the 8:00 start to the timeline. Unless, that is the timeline as to when they disposed of his body? It could explain why two counties are involved, though (Bonneville and Lemhi). Perhaps his death occurred in Bonneville County and they hid his body in Lemhi County? Two separate crimes? (Although I believe Klein stated that the charges would be filed in Lemhi County). Food for thought, I guess...

 

[Dee10]

I too am curious about the 8:00 AM start to the timeline. I am wondering if they did stay up all night in the company of other persons. It's strange that so little has been released about Thursday night (and how everyone thought for so long that they arrived Friday....). I'm thinking they were drinking or whatever, being irresponsible, and that's why it hasn't been mentioned. Whoever the company was can vouch that during the night they did not witness anything happen to DeOrr. Perhaps they saw DeOrr before he was put to bed (in a vehicle, I assume) and can also provide an alibi for the parents during the night. If the company left at 8:00 AM (or conversely, the POI's left from the location of the all-nighter), that would start the time that DeOrr was only around the four POI's. From that point forward, it would be anyone's guess as to what happened. Cell phone pings during this time might show their movements? I'm having a hard time thinking his death occurred at the campground because no evidence has been found and the dogs didn't pick up his scent there. He could have died in one of the vehicles, but again no evidence was found (that we know of). I don't think they fixed breakfast or spent any amount of time exploring or fishing. So, what did they do? I think DeOrr died earlier, well before the trip to the store. It would be interesting to know what time they set out for the store. I suspect they may have been gone a lot longer than it would actually take for a trip to the store. Anyway, just my thoughts at the moment (give me 5 minutes and they may change...).

""Thursday evening just right around dark time they arrived, set up camp and then Friday morning, somewhere around 10:30 or 11 is when they went to Leadore," Bowerman said." http://www.localnews8.com/news/3-mo...=social&utm_source=facebook_KIFI_Local_News_8

10:30 or 11:00, they left to go camping early afternoon or early evening. This use of the word "or" has always confused me, but I just had a thought, and perhaps these could be just parts of the stories that don't match or have changed.

 

[desert-blue]

""Thursday evening just right around dark time they arrived, set up camp and then Friday morning, somewhere around 10:30 or 11 is when they went to Leadore," Bowerman said." http://www.localnews8.com/news/3-mo...=social&utm_source=facebook_KIFI_Local_News_8

10:30 or 11:00, they left to go camping early afternoon or early evening. This use of the word "or" has always confused me, but I just had a thought, and perhaps these could be just parts of the stories that don't match or have changed.

I'm not sure I believe any part of their story anymore anyway.... they may have told Bowerman those things, but at this point, I think their statements hold very little truth... MOO.

 

[white rabbit]

i'm with you, desert-blue. 100% agreed.

 

[Rayemonde]

I have a feeling that the owner of The Silver Dollar Bar, Rebecca Cox, may be one of the witnesses.

Yes!!!!! Well, maybe not even her specifically, but I read that old article where she was interviewed again, and it made me think - hmm, it sounds like the locals aren't buying the story the parents are telling. Maybe some of them know more than we do. In her interview, she said she doesn't think he's been abducted, but she also doesn't think he's "up there" to be found...

There have been efforts to bring in another volunteer search, but locals in Leadore believe search time needs to be spent somewhere else.

Rebecca Cox, owner of The Silver Dollar Bar and Cafe, said, "I don't think he's up there."...

...the people of Leadore think that maybe the search is in the wrong place.
The lack of evidence, of any kind, has many asking 'what are the other options?'

"There's been a lot of people up there. A lot, a lot, a lot of people. Even after the search was don't there's been people," Cox said.
"I think he would have been found if he was. Don't you?"

http://m.localnews8.com/news/onemonth-mark-of-the-search-for-deorr-kunz-jr/34638970

 

[Coolmomof4]

I keep coming back to that as well... but if that's the case, I really don't understand the 8:00 start to the timeline. Unless, that is the timeline as to when they disposed of his body? It could explain why two counties are involved, though (Bonneville and Lemhi). Perhaps his death occurred in Bonneville County and they hid his body in Lemhi County? Two separate crimes? (Although I believe Klein stated that the charges would be filed in Lemhi County). Food for thought, I guess...

I don't understand it either. It's possible that he could be keeping the two crimes separate in way. I wonder if his "witnesses" clearly saw there was no child with the family at any time in the campground. Just because there are witnesses, doesn't mean those witnesses saw a child. I've read every post of every thread on this case and sometimes I forget or miss small points that have been made. Especially in this case with all the lies and confusion, etc.

 

[LietKynes]

You don't start a timeline when a person is first noticed to be missing. Think of a scenario where an adult doesn't show up for work, or a child doesn't show up for school. An investigation wouldn't begin at either of those times because they're after the fact. The investigative timeline would go back to when the person was last know to be alive and well. So when Klein says the timeline begins at 8:00 a.m., one naturally would think that is the last time DeOrr can be accounted for. But, Klein's timeline might be incomplete. As I said, he's working backward, and might not have reached the point of a last sighting. In fact, he still maintains there are no confirmed sightings.

Which leads us back to the question of why 8 a.m. is significant. Did someone in the area hear a little child crying or laughing at that time? Did someone see an adult carrying what appeared to be a sleeping child? Did someone see an adult walking near the campsite with a child's blanket? Did someone see an adult walking with a large bundle or trash bag? These are just some ideas. The witness, or witnesses, might have offered something completely different. But imo, whatever it was points to the events commencing around or shortly prior to 8 a.m.


That thought has crossed my mind, too.

SABBM

Good points.
Also seems to indicate there may be witnesses/evidence that starts what timeline we have.
Klein, the sheriff, and maybe more people have knowledge they're keeping under wraps. Have to give them kudos for being able to keep their mouths shut.
I feel they're building their case and this will be resolved.
MOO

 

[desert-blue]

Yes!!!!! Well, maybe not even her specifically, but I read that old article where she was interviewed again, and it made me think - hmm, it sounds like the locals aren't buying the story the parents are telling. Maybe some of them know more than we do. In her interview, she said she doesn't think he's been abducted, but she also doesn't think he's "up there" to be found...




http://m.localnews8.com/news/onemonth-mark-of-the-search-for-deorr-kunz-jr/34638970

from the video:

"Although the people of Leadore think that maybe the search is in the wrong place." Interesting. RC sure seems pretty convinced he's not up there...

 

[ILOKAL]

I keep coming back to that as well... but if that's the case, I really don't understand the 8:00 start to the timeline. Unless, that is the timeline as to when they disposed of his body? It could explain why two counties are involved, though (Bonneville and Lemhi). Perhaps his death occurred in Bonneville County and they hid his body in Lemhi County? Two separate crimes? (Although I believe Klein stated that the charges would be filed in Lemhi County). Food for thought, I guess...

Don't the four POI's reside in Bonneville county?

 

[Coolmomof4]

SABBM

Good points.
Also seems to indicate there may be witnesses/evidence that starts what timeline we have.
Klein, the sheriff, and maybe more people have knowledge they're keeping under wraps. Have to give them kudos for being able to keep their mouths shut.
I feel they're building their case and this will be resolved.
MOO

You know...I'm starting to wonder if maybe the 8am time may eventually end up shifting to much earlier. Like Bessie said, perhaps that's the earliest known time at the moment that he wasn't seen and he's trying to work backwards and his timeline is incomplete? I know that seems odd and unconventional but with the way this case is, maybe he is having a very hard time pinpointing the last time he was absolutely seen.

Just a thought.

 

[Rayemonde]

Thank you Bessie for saying you'll ask about getting Klein on the radio show... Since Bessie has followed the case and DeOrr's thread so closely, she will be the perfect person to clear up our confusion. If Klein comes on the show and we are left just as confused afterwards, I will conclude that Klein is definitely confusing us on purpose because he doesn't know as much as he implies.

 

[neesaki]

from the video:

"Although the people of Leadore think that maybe the search is in the wrong place." Interesting. RC sure seems pretty convinced he's not up there...

Who knows, maybe someone there knows something and is one of the witnesses. On a side note, I think she's a rather entertaining character, jmo.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

On another side note and a bit random....I think the media in this case know a lot more than they've reported. I'm sure that isn't unusual but the gulf between what is publicly known and what the media know is greater than usual.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Who knows, maybe someone there knows something and is one of the witnesses. On a side note, I she's a rather entertaining character, jmo.

Never watched that before. Is she drunk?!

 

[SweetT]

You know...I'm starting to wonder if maybe the 8am time may eventually end up shifting to much earlier. Like Bessie said, perhaps that's the earliest known time at the moment that he wasn't seen and he's trying to work backwards and his timeline is incomplete? I know that seems odd and unconventional but with the way this case is, maybe he is having a very hard time pinpointing the last time he was absolutely seen.

Just a thought.

Right since he says everyday they are getting new information/evidence.

 

[Beezneez]

I wonder why Vernal isn't using his new legal representation to shush up Vilt or Klein. It would seem that someone perceived to be an insider to the case who is now publicly declaring the parents likely responsible for their child's death would be my first loud and clear target in defending myself, if I were an innocent parent being accused. In addition to refocusing the investigation on finding the missing child and reiterating a commitment to cooperation with law enforcement and the investigation. Yet this isn't happening. I wonder what that lawyer is up to, since there does not seem to be any legal action publicly ​going on at the moment.