ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #20

[Midge Montana]

I know all that. And I also know how it's like to repeat the same story over and over and over to LE during a tramatic event and my story's changed. I remembered things I didn't remember before and forgot small things because they where overshadowed by new things. And not once did I lie.
Like I said until you lived it I'm not sure how you can even try to understand it let alone make judgment on one for it. Nobody is going to tell me I'm wrong because I've lived it. If you had you'd know what I mean.

Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot,
Nothing is going to get better. It's not.
-Dr. Seuss

I'm sorry for your traumatic event. And I love your siggy quote.

 

[carbuff]

Do you mind explaining your thoughts a little? I have always wondered if there was something hinky about Thurs night. I guess something could have happened after the Silver Dollar in the night, or that nothing happened that was "telling" of anything at the Silver Dollar.

But are you thinking for sure Klein is indicating that whatever incident happened took place between 8 AM-2:30 PM? I think I got thrown off by Klein's concern that there was no scent at the campground--like he was concerned that DeOrr was never there.

I wish I need a decoder for the q and a's! Thx


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I don't really have any thoughts either way. That's just what I thought he meant. It's his opinion. He seems to be a straightforward sort of guy, but I don't have any measure of how accurate he is or how good his information is. And as you say, we need a decoder ring to translate. :facepalm:

 

[kammiemc]

I don't really have any thoughts either way. That's just what I thought he meant. It's his opinion. He seems to be a straightforward sort of guy, but I don't have any measure of how accurate he is or how good his information is. And as you say, we need a decoder ring to translate. :facepalm:

Darn. I thought you might have one!


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[giagreen]

What is the one and only thing you said that's disagreed with? And what time do you believe they left for the store?

People forgetting stuff in tramatic events. It was basically just a suggestion anyways. It's either that or I'm lead to beleive that something happen around that time. 8am or that morning. Why els would them lieing or forgetting who cooked what matter. Or maybe LE beleives that? Just from Klein changing his timeline and from SB saying they couldn't remember who cooked. Since they made the phone call at 2:36 (?)
And said they went to the store in early afternoon then I think SB would be talking about breakfast that was being cook. So I'm just thinking that's when something could of happen. Or that this matters some how enough to make LE think they are switching their story.

Just adding my point is that the trip to the store would go along with something happening that morning. And from the PI and LE I've picked that up. So what in the world could have happen in the morning that's so bad that you'd have to hide it. I don't beleive it had to do with drugs or I think we would have seen drug charges. If there was evidence to suggest he passed then it was physical.

Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot,
Nothing is going to get better. It's not.
-Dr. Seuss

 

[giagreen]

I'm sorry for your traumatic event. And I love your siggy quote.

I have to ask what you mean by siggy? Lol
I love my new found quote. Someone at the shelter I volunteer at brought that in for me yesterday and it made my day
I hadn't heard that one before and [emoji173] Dr. Suess

Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot,
Nothing is going to get better. It's not.
-Dr. Seuss

 

[SweetT]

Well, it's been 25 years so maybe not every detail. But yes, you'd be amazed at some of the seemingly 'little details' he remembers even after two and a half decades. He is 'triggered' by the oddest things that happened in the days surrounding the major battle. I'm not going into detail, but it amazes me.
Now, as I said, everyone's mind is different. But IMO, if the parents just absolutely can't remember what they did that morning, they'd just say they can't remember instead of trying to grab at straws which results in several different stories each.

this reminds me..20 yrs ago my daughter ran away from me at the grocery store, she was 3, I freaked out All I could think was find my baby! I ran through that store yelling and searching for her..I had ran by management and told them she was lost ..I can tell you what she was wearing, what area of the store we were in, where i found her and what store it was and what time of day. I havent even lived in that town for almost 20 yrs now and I recall it clear as day.

 

[persimmon]

Yeah, good point...

How could the EMT bag be relevant, though? I'm thinking it was probably just a coincidence. They had a lot of volunteer searchers up there, maybe one of them just wanted an EMT bag.

I think its relevency has waned with time, but initially it did seem like an odd coincidence that on some level suggested an injured party. When the bag was initially brought up, all possibilities were still on the table with the parents as culprits seeming the less likely theory. Idk just my thoughts.

I still think it was an oddly brazen act for somebody to smash a truck window and steal a bag with the area crawling with LE. That fact alone just makes it suspicious. Perhaps it was another red herring or attempt to muddy the water? Whatever the case, it's as weird as the cremains dumping in my mind.

 

[carbuff]

I think its relevency has waned with time, but initially it did seem like an odd coincidence that on some level suggested an injured party. When the bag was initially brought up, all possibilities were still on the table with the parents as culprits seeming the less likely theory. Idk just my thoughts.

I still think it was an oddly brazen act for somebody to smash a truck window and steal a bag with the area crawling with LE. That fact alone just makes it suspicious. Perhaps it was another red herring or attempt to muddy the water? Whatever the case, it's as weird as the cremains dumping in my mind.

There are certainly some weird coincidences in this case, no matter what the truth turns out to be.

I really can't buy the cremains as related, though. That would require adding at least one more person to the conspiracy, and there are already there are already too many of them. Something would have come out by now with that many people trying to keep a secret.

 

[Midge Montana]

I have to ask what you mean by siggy? Lol
I love my new found quote. Someone at the shelter I volunteer at brought that in for me yesterday and it made my day
I hadn't heard that one before and [emoji173] Dr. Suess
Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot,
Nothing is going to get better. It's not.
-Dr. Seuss

Siggy = signature quote.

 

[giagreen]

I think its relevency has waned with time, but initially it did seem like an odd coincidence that on some level suggested an injured party. When the bag was initially brought up, all possibilities were still on the table with the parents as culprits seeming the less likely theory. Idk just my thoughts.

I still think it was an oddly brazen act for somebody to smash a truck window and steal a bag with the area crawling with LE. That fact alone just makes it suspicious. Perhaps it was another red herring or attempt to muddy the water? Whatever the case, it's as weird as the cremains dumping in my mind.

I'm not sure if anyone smashed a window. But SB did say someone broke in and took it. I wonder exactly what he means by that and he seemed to shrug it off which makes me think maybe there is more to it. It's weird.

Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot,
Nothing is going to get better. It's not.
-Dr. Seuss

 

[giagreen]

Siggy = signature quote.

Lol thanks.

Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot,
Nothing is going to get better. It's not.
-Dr. Seuss

 

[Beezneez]

Not replying to anyone in particular...
I think it is possible that anyone who has followed this case on any platform aside from the occasional news reporting has questions about the Thursday night Silver dollar trip/no trip/unsuccessful trip. Asking specifically about that is not an alarm-dinger for me.
Different timelines & inconsistent stories- it's totally possible to have partial memories that are later added to. It's also possible to omit something on a third or fourth re-telling of the same story. However if a version of events is given, and then a contradictory version is given by that same person, that is concerning. If that is followed by another different yet also somehow contradiction in the next telling, well that is highly suspicious. To have more than one person tell more than one version of events & to have them all oppose each other is almost impossible unless EVERYONE involved is making things up. There are documented and accounted for reasons that IR & GGP may be experiencing issues with recalling events. The parents? No. They are suspects. Suspects in the disappearance and widely assumed death of their two year old.

 

[Paulas88]

this reminds me..20 yrs ago my daughter ran away from me at the grocery store, she was 3, I freaked out All I could think was find my baby! I ran through that store yelling and searching for her..I had ran by management and told them she was lost ..I can tell you what she was wearing, what area of the store we were in, where i found her and what store it was and what time of day. I havent even lived in that town for almost 20 yrs now and I recall it clear as day.

I have a similar story. I was in cosco with my three children, 3, 5 and a 2 month old in a carry on seat, which was in the shopping cart. I turned around, and my darling 3 yearold was not there... I yelled Paul, Paul...while running to the front of the store with my other two, and discribed to the dude that checks your cosco card when you enter! EXACTLY what he was wearing... I then ran back... and found my precious with another mother helping him find his mama. I remember that like it was yesterday.

 

[giagreen]

I hope you don't mind me asking, but since you are sharing your personal experience, when the things you remembered changed, did they constantly change with every interview over a long period of time? Did LE worry that you were misleading them and give you a poly?

I reported someone missing (who was missing and subsequently found five days later) and my problem wasn't inconsistencies in my story. The cop just plain thought I was wrong or lying at first. But I convinced him of the truth in short order and that was that.


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The cop made me feel like he didn't beleive me either. And kept trying to trip me up and that he did. Never did take poly cause I was the one saying let's do them so when he brought it up to the other party involved they caved and told the truth which matched pretty much with what I was saying. Little things where still disorganized though

Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot,
Nothing is going to get better. It's not.
-Dr. Seuss

 

[Deleted member 718]

From Tricia and Bessie's radio show with Sheriff Bowerman:

30:58
"Bessie: Well, Sheriff, we’d just like to know, are there plans for any further searches?

31:03
SB: You know absolutely. Right now the National Association for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) have expressed an interest in coming back up with dogs so we’re entertaining that. Recently we were in on snowmobiles. There’s 4-6 feet of snow in there so right now, of course, that’s not possible. Basically, we’re just asking anybody that has firsthand knowledge of conversations that they either overheard or observed—some sort of dialogue between the parents and the infant that seemed unusual, please contact us with the information."

This is worrisome to me as it sounds like Bowerman is trying to establish a history of the parents being less than nice to Deorr. Poor little fella.

 

[Aunt_Tulip]

Isn't it possible that the changing stories come from the parents being interviewed separately and then comparing what they said? I would like to think that LE would know the difference between "we had pancakes" and "oh yea, we had bacon too" compared to one parent saying they got up, had coffee and cooked breakfast to the other parent saying they got up and headed straight to town before anyone else was awake. That is what I think they mean by inconsistencies, not simple one time they said pancakes and the next time they said pancakes and bacon types of things.

 

[persimmon]

There are certainly some weird coincidences in this case, no matter what the truth turns out to be.

I really can't buy the cremains as related, though. That would require adding at least one more person to the conspiracy, and there are already there are already too many of them. Something would have come out by now with that many people trying to keep a secret.

I agree, I don't think they are related but I do think it's insane somebody did that in the midst of a huge search. What are the odds? Yes, bizarre coincidences indeed!

 

[giagreen]

Isn't it possible that the changing stories come from the parents being interviewed separately and then comparing what they said? I would like to think that LE would know the difference between "we had pancakes" and "oh yea, we had bacon too" compared to one parent saying they got up, had coffee and cooked breakfast to the other parent saying they got up and headed straight to town before anyone else was awake. That is what I think they mean by inconsistencies, not simple one time they said pancakes and the next time they said pancakes and bacon types of things.

Good point. Maybe they both claimed to have cooked. Idk it just stuck out to me.

Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot,
Nothing is going to get better. It's not.
-Dr. Seuss

 

[carbuff]

From Tricia and Bessie's radio show with Sheriff Bowerman:

30:58
"Bessie: Well, Sheriff, we’d just like to know, are there plans for any further searches?

31:03
SB: You know absolutely. Right now the National Association for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) have expressed an interest in coming back up with dogs so we’re entertaining that. Recently we were in on snowmobiles. There’s 4-6 feet of snow in there so right now, of course, that’s not possible. Basically, we’re just asking anybody that has firsthand knowledge of conversations that they either overheard or observed—some sort of dialogue between the parents and the infant that seemed unusual, please contact us with the information."

This is worrisome to me as it sounds like Bowerman is trying to establish a history of the parents being less than nice to Deorr. Poor little fella.

"Dialogue between the parents and the infant" does sound like he expects at least some people to have seen DeOrr alive, though.

 

[persimmon]

"Dialogue between the parents and the infant" does sound like he expects at least some people to have seen DeOrr alive, though.

Jmo but I took it to mean at any time and not specific to this timeline or situation.