ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #21

[ClaireNC]

What if naming the parents suspects was a tactic to try to get them to talk because they suspect One of the others at the campsite was responsible and they thought naming them suspects would make them say, "no, wait... This is what happened...we helped cover it up because..."

They left Deorr with one of them while they were off doing... Whatever. Or something.

I personally think the parents are responsible directly, but this case is just so frustrating and I'm grasping. [emoji19]

Sorry, but there is no way that would happen. There are legal ramifications to naming somebody a suspect. It's not something they would do unless they mean it.

 

[haven71]

I was thinking, maybe GGP was told about Deorr's disappearance shortly before HE
decided to call, and maybe his call.... wasn't in the JM/VK scheme, and forced them (JM/VK) to call minutes later?

Yeah, I think we could be on to something here. Because the 3 in a row calls to 911 make me uneasy. There's got to be more to it. IMO

 

[courtneyb]

Sorry, but there is no way that would happen. There are legal ramifications to naming somebody a suspect. It's not something they would do unless they mean it.

Good! I was trying to not be so suspicious of the parents...(I tend to 🤗explore other possibilities involving others there and concerning LE's recent statements and that was all I came up with. I, apologetically, do not watch a lot of crime tv or police dramas ( not that you do ) don't know ALL the rules. Thanks for succinctly wrapping up that loose end for me.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[neesaki]

Did Bowerman say LE searched the vehicle that first night? Didn't Vernal say they were with SAR at the campsite until about 4:00 AM on July 11th?

Yes, that's what he stated. But how thorough the search that first night, who knows.

 

[ILOKAL]

Yes, that's what he stated. But how thorough the search that first night, who knows.

Is there any reason to believe it was any less thorough than if any other LE team were involved in another case?

 

[ILOKAL]

​

Yeah, I think we could be on to something here. Because the 3 in a row calls to 911 make me uneasy. There's got to be more to it. IMO

If all three had been searching for DeOrr, it seems logical to me that due to the poor reception, each would use their own phone. Perhaps GGPA didn't have a signal, Vernal drove up the road and Jessica walked to another area to call and while each was doing so, GGPA got a signal and his call went through. IMO

 

[pepelepolecat]

Right. That's what I'd think also. But then you add in Kleins comments then I don't believe that's the case.

Sent from my SM-S920L using Tapatalk

I have read Klein saying that IR wasn't talking to him (Klein), but I must have missed Klein's statements that he (IR) was refusing to talk to SB/police. Either way, I lean towards believing SB over Klein at this point, imo.

 

[haven71]

I have read Klein saying that IR wasn't talking to him (Klein), but I must have missed Klein's statements that he (IR) was refusing to talk to SB/police. Either way, I lean towards believing SB over Klein at this point, imo.

I think what is a little confusing (for me too) is that IIRC SB said something along the lines that the information Klein turned over to them was in line with their own investigation.

 

[Aunt_Tulip]

I remember reading that the 911 calls were GGP first, JM second and VDK third, but have tried many times to go back and find where I read that and just can't. Maybe it was a transcription error and was corrected shortly after it was published? I know I saw it too though.

 

[haven71]

If all three had been searching for DeOrr, it seems logical to me that due to the poor reception, each would use their own phone. Perhaps GGPA didn't have a signal, Vernal drove up the road and Jessica walked to another area to call and while each was doing so, GGPA got a signal and his call went through. IMO

IMO they weren't searching for Deorr. They knew and know where he is and was. Even if they were, what was so urgent after their one hour of searching that they decided to call 911 on the count of 3?

 

[pepelepolecat]

Yes, that's what he stated. But how thorough the search that first night, who knows.

I certainly hope it was extremely thorough. I don't think that they had a really clear idea of exactly what they were dealing with that first night, so looking in every nook and cranny would have been absolutely critical. all moo

 

[kammiemc]

IMO they weren't searching for Deorr. They knew and know where he is and was. Even if they were, what was so urgent after their one hour of searching that they decided to call 911 on the count of 3?

I agree. Since LE absolutely believes the parents know where their son is, it makes moot their story of having searched for him. (Maybe DK was hauling off to hide him, but I think if either of the parents was searching for him it was just for show (for IR's, and perhaps GGP's benefit).

Klein called the whole exploration/fishing scenario a myth. So it only makes sense that their story of returning from fishing to find him missing then searching for him is also bogus. Basically, at this point, it's hard to believe anything that they have said to date.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[haven71]

I'm far past the posts earlier where the discussion concerned the shovel and the axe, so I'll start fresh with my question.

I could've sworn someone (Klein or LE) said that while they were doing forensics on the shovel a hair on it blew away. Anyone else remember hearing that (not too long ago?).

ETA: This was discussed on Tricia's interview with SB, I believe in response to a question raised by Bessie.

 

[persimmon]

I would certainly hope so, but who knows? There really is no way of measuring the depth of dysfunction in any one family. What's perfectly normal for you may be total craziness to me. It's amazing what people grow up with and come to think is acceptable. For instance, in my family when my folks were angry with each other, they would give the silent treatment...FOR DAYS ON END. In my husband's family, his parents would shout it out and then move on immediately, no hard feelings.

Life is a strange, bizarre journey, indeed!

Very true. I suppose there really is no normal in that regard.

 

[citizen watch]

IMO if GGP was notified that a Deorr was missing of course it would be natural response to try to call 911. IMO I believe that once GPP realized that the parents call was received by 911 he disconnected the call and letting the parents take the lead in their missing child. I would do the same. I believe that GPP's 911 call is irrelevant. The real question is what differences (if any) are there between VD and JM's call. We have not heard what VD said in his 911 call vs what JM's call to 911 (which was released) there is. This may or may not be evidence that the LE and PI are speaking of. I want to believe Deorr Jr is safe and being a local very familiar with this leadore region would like nothing but a good outcome for Deorr.

 

[TxJan1971]

I'm far past the posts earlier where the discussion concerned the shovel and the axe, so I'll start fresh with my question.

I could've sworn someone (Klein or LE) said that while they were doing forensics on the shovel a hair on it blew away. Anyone else remember hearing that (not too long ago?).

ETA: This was discussed on Tricia's interview with SB, I believe in response to a question raised by Bessie.

All Deorr case-related MSM articles, available transcripts, videos, etc. are located in the separate "Media/Timeline" thread.

MEDIA/TIMELINE THREAD:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Timelines-and-Maps-**NO-DISCUSSION-quot/page4

~~
January 28, 2016
12:36
Bessie: (laughs) Great! Uh, well, the dogs -- absolutely that was one of the big questions and of course the timeline, and that store receipt. Also, some people have asked…you know we heard that there was uh… some overalls and maybe an ax or a shovel that were seized. Um…I don’t know that that’s a fact but that’s come up. Is there anything you can comment on about that?

13:06
SB: Well, yes. There was a shovel at the scene. Somebody brought it out, I believe from the camp trailer, and um…you know a one point we were told there was a human hair on that but when it was brought out and displayed, it blew away in the wind so…you know. We had several people that say they thought they saw a human hair but we haven’t been able to corroborate that
http://www.truecrimeradio.com/radio-...hive-jan-2016/

 

[haven71]

Klein thinks they know how, but they don't know why.

Why is why so important at this stage? I'm taking it to mean...why did it happen, the accident (and a coverup?) or intentionally...what was the motive? I feel other information is more important at this point than motive. Sure, motive would help move things along too, but I'd rather be assured that LE knows the "where's".

So it sounds like they know who did it, and how it was done. They don't know why (which could indicate why did they outright kill their child, or perhaps why they did not seek help if in fact there was an accident)? Is that how you fellow sleuthers understand it? That the why he's referring to is the motive?

It would seem that the "where" has been determined at least in part. They believe he was alive at the campground, and they intend to do additional searches up there. Now we need to know when he was killed and where, as well as where the body is currently.

Unfortunately I don't feel there will be any confessions that will magically clear these things up.

 

[ClaireNC]

IMO they weren't searching for Deorr. They knew and know where he is and was. Even if they were, what was so urgent after their one hour of searching that they decided to call 911 on the count of 3?

Don't most people usually assign one person to make the 911 call when there is an emergency situation? At least that's what I was taught in various safety classes and emergency response training sessions over the years. If you are looking for a lost child, it's just not logical for everybody to stop looking for that child and make multiple calls to 911. You keep looking or otherwise dealing with the emergency while one person makes the call. Seems like common sense to me, something that we were taught in elementary school.

 

[ILOKAL]

IMO they weren't searching for Deorr. They knew and know where he is and was. Even if they were, what was so urgent after their one hour of searching that they decided to call 911 on the count of 3?

No, not on the count of three. I explained what very likely might have happened andit's makes sense without even trying. All three searched and couldn't find Deorr. They decided to call 911. Grandpa (and probably the parents also) didn't have a signal. Jessica walked to a new location and Vernal drove his truck to a new location. In the meantime, GGPA got a signal and called. I just don't think there's a mystery to the three calls.

 

[haven71]

IMO if GGP was notified that a Deorr was missing of course it would be natural response to try to call 911. IMO I believe that once GPP realized that the parents call was received by 911 he disconnected the call and letting the parents take the lead in their missing child. I would do the same. I believe that GPP's 911 call is irrelevant. The real question is what differences (if any) are there between VD and JM's call. We have not heard what VD said in his 911 call vs what JM's call to 911 (which was released) there is. This may or may not be evidence that the LE and PI are speaking of. I want to believe Deorr Jr is safe and being a local very familiar with this leadore region would like nothing but a good outcome for Deorr.

I disagree. I believe certain things could possibly be discerned from the details of GGP's 911 call. The assumption is that he was calling to report his missing grandchild. But given that the fishing, exploring etc has been decidedly fabricated it's possible that GGP called for another reason (imo something that was happening to or had already happened to Deorr). I'm just saying it's possible, although I admit not probable IMO. I also think his call is relevant so one could get a grasp on GGP's mental acuity at the time. Did his story line up with the 911 calls from JM and DK? Perhaps certain details were given by GGP but withheld by the parents. For these reasons, I'm not ready to chalk it up to simply being irrelevant to the investigation. MOO