ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #22

[Beezneez]

We could all check here & see that there are no new facts & move on quietly. Or we can keep discussing here, following the news & keeping this babies name in online search results. What if years from now this boys story is still unresolved- heaven forbid- and everyone has moved on? The discussion is pertinent, relevant & meaningful. We know LE is following online postings. Bowerman has said that he himself isn't following websleuths but that other LE are (interview w/Tricia & Bessie, link in media thread). Continuing with sharing ideas is the only relevant thing we can do to help find him.
*im not trying to be snarky. If you have something you feel is more relevant to the discussion please add it. The people here are doing what we can.

 

[renarde]

Physical custody and parental rights are two different things. Parents can not live with their children and still have very liberal or very controlled visitation, depending on the circumstances and court orders. Giving up parental rights is giving it all up, no right to decision making, no right to visit, have any contact with the child. The custodial parent or adoptive parent can decide based on what they feel is best for the child, but they no longer have a "right" to the child in any way. Speaking from personal experience, so no link, even if a parent voluntarily gives up their parental rights it doesn't happen right away. The state is very careful to make sure a parent can never come back and say they felt rushed or forced or thought they didn't have a choice. The case I was involved in took two full years for parental rights to be terminated. Eight of those months were AFTER the parent had voluntarily agree to termination of rights.

Edited to add: the personal experience was from an adoptive perspective, not a divorce perspective, just to be clear.

Termination of parental rights also means that the person whose rights were terminated no longer has to pay child support, as providing child support is also considered a parental right.

Voluntary relinquishment of parental rights is not easy or common, but it does happen, usually within the context of adoption... IME, and in my state.

 

[Aunt_Tulip]

Learning about mountain lions and polygraph test was actually pretty educational imo. At the very least it was more relevant at the time.


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You are right! In the beginning of each topic it was educational and timely. I don't post much, but I have followed all 22 threads daily. My remark was out of frustration, I suppose, that we are still here 22 threads later. At least we are having a civil discussion and I do feel like people understanding that giving custodial rights to a parent is not the same as having their parental rights terminated is relevant. Sorry to have offended you, giagreen!

 

[giagreen]

You are right! In the beginning of each topic it was educational and timely. I don't post much, but I have followed all 22 threads daily. My remark was out of frustration, I suppose, that we are still here 22 threads later. At least we are having a civil discussion and I do feel like people understanding that giving custodial rights to a parent is not the same as having their parental rights terminated is relevant. Sorry to have offended you, giagreen!

You didn't offend me. I just have never in my life learned more about an animal then the mountain lion...lol or anything els here on ws. I was just pointing out it was pretty educational...and relevant at the time. JM driving with out insurance tho I'm not sure how relevant that is or ever will be. Idk jmo

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[neesaki]

Respectfully and with no snark intended, discussing the differences between custodial parents and terminating rights is at least more...educational...than arguing over mountain lions and polygraphs for pages and pages. I'm not directing those particular topics at you, neesaki, I just think we don't have any new information to go on and are committed to keeping DeOrr's case fresh in our minds and hearts. That was my only intent, anyway.

Well, you're right that there is educational value to it. And I'm totally with you on keeping little Deorr's case fresh in our hearts and minds, and for keeping his thread from going cold. Yes, I remember how many pages and pages we kept Deorr's thread going just on the mountain lion discussion alone. That was because a select few including myself seriously considered it to be a very viable theory. And to be honest, if Sheriff B and the PI hadn't named the parents as suspects I would probably still see it as a strong possibility today. But I do understand the intent as you say, and appreciate it too. And just as many did with the mountain lion topic, lol, I may just sit back and scan quietly.

 

[Rayemonde]

The thing is, we just don't know how or why JM's children ended up with their father, or what the legal situation is with them. It might be relevant to what happened to DeOrr. It might not. We just don't know. There's not enough to go on.

 

[Beezneez]

If I didn't have blind faith that LE had evidence in hand that specifically made mountain lions very improbable I would still be on that ship. I'm in Idaho. I have brought in my kids & dogs due to a mountain lion sighting right in the middle of town. I'm also pretty outdoorsy, specifically in the Salmon-Challis wilderness, I know these cats are a viable threat. So does search & rescue, LE, & the FBI. There is something that we don't know about making them all certain enough to put the parents out there. I'm also pretty sure it isn't just mismatched stories & hazy memories about when Deorr went missing.

 

[SoccerMotha]

You missed it?! Are you saying you want a re-do ?

Omg! I just spit out my water. So much talk about mountain lions in previous threads, I learned lots. No re-do for me though, thanks. Lol:laughing:

 

[Jackeee]

With regard to my post #555, the second part was never answered. It seems the joint custody issue was the attention grabber.
I had been wondering if little Deorr was planned or a surprise? It just seemed unusual to me that a woman with 2 children that she did not have living with her would start a new relationship and have another child.

eta: sometimes I just wonder about things.

 

[Jackeee]

Lions and tigers and bears! Oh my. Seriously, it all been covered with only the best of intentions in our search for little Deorr. Sometimes we just needed a little laugh or smile. I think of that little boy every day and check online for any updates. He has won the hearts of so many of us.

 

[Rayemonde]

With regard to my post #555, the second part was never answered. It seems the joint custody issue was the attention grabber.
I had been wondering if little Deorr was planned or a surprise? It just seemed unusual to me that a woman with 2 children that she did not have living with her would start a new relationship and have another child.

eta: sometimes I just wonder about things.

I guess none of us know. The parents have never mentioned whether he was planned or not, so we have no way of knowing for sure.

 

[giagreen]

Lions and tigers and bears! Oh my. Seriously, it all been covered with only the best of intentions in our search for little Deorr. Sometimes we just needed a little laugh or smile. I think of that little boy every day and check online for any updates. He has won the hearts of so many of us.

And eagles....don't forget about the egals!!!! Lol

I think of him all the time also. I seen DeOrr in his pajamas and my son has the same pair. I think of him everytime I see them.

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[Beezneez]

Totally out of left field, but I wonder why no one on this camping trip had a dog with them? I understand that renting may not allow for a dog. I also understand that some people have allergies & limited budgets & maybe Fido just passed away & I'm sure there are 5 other reasons. But in my opinion camping without a dog is unusual. I have friends who borrow dogs for weekends 1) because it's fun for the dog 2) it lets them get the whole dog experience without the commitment & 3) dogs are excellent at being aware of wild animals & alerting/scenting camping areas. I may be biased as I'm currently sharing a bed with my three mutts, but anyone else picking up on a hinky-vibe?

 

[ClaireNC]

Totally out of left field, but I wonder why no one on this camping trip had a dog with them? I understand that renting may not allow for a dog. I also understand that some people have allergies & limited budgets & maybe Fido just passed away & I'm sure there are 5 other reasons. But in my opinion camping without a dog is unusual. I have friends who borrow dogs for weekends 1) because it's fun for the dog 2) it lets them get the whole dog experience without the commitment & 3) dogs are excellent at being aware of wild animals & alerting/scenting camping areas. I may be biased as I'm currently sharing a bed with my three mutts, but anyone else picking up on a hinky-vibe?

Actually there were rumors that GGP did have his dog with him. It barked a lot and was generally annoying. IIRC

 

[DatelineFan]

My family has never brought a dog camping. We used to camp every year, at least a couple of times. None of the families with us ever brought dogs.

 

[giagreen]

Totally out of left field, but I wonder why no one on this camping trip had a dog with them? I understand that renting may not allow for a dog. I also understand that some people have allergies & limited budgets & maybe Fido just passed away & I'm sure there are 5 other reasons. But in my opinion camping without a dog is unusual. I have friends who borrow dogs for weekends 1) because it's fun for the dog 2) it lets them get the whole dog experience without the commitment & 3) dogs are excellent at being aware of wild animals & alerting/scenting camping areas. I may be biased as I'm currently sharing a bed with my three mutts, but anyone else picking up on a hinky-vibe?

They did have a dog. Or so the story goes...no links.

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[DatelineFan]

I just got a Google alert for this article!

“We know that the parents aren’t telling the truth, and they know that we know that they’re lying,” Bowerman said. “I know that they know where the little boy is and what happened to him.”

http://www.idahostatejournal.com/me...cle_b4d359f2-0b13-55d2-9aec-178b359a5683.html

 

[jnblsm]

Sounds like I've got some videos I will be watching when I can't sleep tonight. [emoji57]


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The mountain lion sleeps tonight?
Sorry, I'm punch-drunk and laughing at what everyone is posting because I'm thinking the same.
Muah to all

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[Beezneez]

My family has never brought a dog camping. We used to camp every year, at least a couple of times. None of the families with us ever brought dogs.

Total curiosity- why not? personally I've taken everything from my foster lab-Rotts to my expensive sweater & pony-tailed Yorkies. They all loved it & it never occurred to me not to bring them. We use a kennel or family for other vacas. I'm sure there are plenty of valid reasons to leave dogs home I just don't know what they are.

 

[DatelineFan]

Total curiosity- why not? personally I've taken everything from my foster lab-Rotts to my expensive sweater & pony-tailed Yorkies. They all loved it & it never occurred to me not to bring them. We use a kennel or family for other vacas. I'm sure there are plenty of valid reasons to leave dogs home I just don't know what they are.

To be honest, I have no idea! Haha. I'm not a dog person at all, so I never really cared why we didn't bring her. I wonder if it's because of how young my youngest two siblings were. My parents had little kids and we were somewhat near water, so I'm guessing they wanted to focus their attention on us kids. I really don't know. But nothing "hinky" ever happened.

ETA - we also did a lot of boating, wave runners, etc. So we were often out on/in the water. Maybe that wasn't conducive to having the dog?