ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #22

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

For me, it's not a big mystery. SB said that IR's story been consistent, but that he lawyered up early and because of that it became a challenge to get him to talk (presumably because the lawyer told IR to zip it, as lawyers do). Also, IR, himself, said that his lawyer told him (I am paraphrasing) not to talk until LE has an idea of what happened. True to that philosophy, after LE named the parents suspects, IR started talking to LE again and also to the media.

Unless I am missing something.


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You have it right, Kammie. I don't understand the confusion either.

 

[TeaTime]

I saw an interesting theory this morning that I never noticed before. It was speculated that perhaps the campers had spent Thursday night at a different campground and maybe that would account for search dogs failing to pick up a scent among other odd details of the initial investigation. This theory posited that whatever happened to DeOrr happened at the first campsite and that JM and VDK initiated tje move to a new site to leave evidence behind. This would explain their comment on the first interview about arriving Friday morning.

I don't really believe this is valid because I have a hard time believing four adults would all lie and risk their freedom for these parents. I just thought it was interesting enough to share.

We have hashed out the 2 campsite theory and there is no evidence of this.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Well, I think it is important to the timeline, and I think that the order of who called, and who/what each had to say on the call will be of importance as well. I'm most intrigued that GGP placed a call, and where that call lies in the order of calls could be important as well. But I also agree with TheTruthWillOut that the most significance it has at this point is that Klein disclosed the information, then refused to clarify what is obviously not correct using the excuse that "it goes to timeline". Then why disclose the information in the first place? Personally I don't care much for Klein. I think he is a raging egomaniac that has used this case for publicity and to feed his ego. He is extremely unprofessional imo. It is insulting that he would put out contradictory information to the public, then refuse to clarify what was probably HIS mistake. He constantly makes derogatory remarks about the people following this case, clearly he thinks we are all beneath him and should be grateful that he throws us a morsel every once in while, regardless of whether it is accurate information or not, we should be grateful anyways.

What exactly has he done for this case, besides ride the coattails of LE and FBI? And gain publicity for himself? And feed his ego? I'd like to know what progress he has really made that LE and FBI weren't on to already. Sorry for going a bit OT there...

IMO.

I don't necessarily disagree with this about Klein but do have to say that he shook things up and got things moving a lot quicker I think. It may turn out he's been full of hot air but he did light fires under a lot of butts......

 

[TeaTime]

What exactly has he done for this case, besides ride the coattails of LE and FBI? And gain publicity for himself? And feed his ego? I'd like to know what progress he has really made that LE and FBI weren't on to already. Sorry for going a bit OT there...

IMO.

According to Klein he has located and taken statements from witnesses with direct knowledge and he has found physical evidence which was all turned over to LE. Everything else he has done corroborates LE's analysis of the incident although LE hasn't shared anything with him.

 

[cobalt sky]

He didn't say it was him and DeOrr. He said that it was not him and DeOrr, he said that no one left the area once they returned from the store at about 1:10pm, they were not at the store at 6pm Friday as he was with S&R until early Saturday morning. The sole issue was the insinuation that it was them because of the black truck.

Actually I believe that VDK did say it WAS him, just earlier in the day, not 6:00pm.

 

[MBK]

I also wonder if those 2 ate the French fries they said were for DeOrr. Don't mind me, but my mind takes some nasty turns.:cow:

I've wondered the same. Or if they just threw them out the window of the truck or something. However, seems that breakfast was sketchy at best, and they'd be having one heck of a long day basically running on empty, with no lunch. Not that I particularly care.

 

[MBK]

Typing about the man who was staring at DeOrr made me wonder WHEN and WHERE that was supposed to have happened. Does anyone remember?

:cow:

I *think* that the man who made JM feel "eerie" was the same time as the french-fry episode at the convenience store. However, I'm not so sure that Deorr was THERE at the Stage Stop for anyone to see . . . at all!

 

[TeaTime]

Actually I believe that VDK did say it WAS him, just earlier in the day, not 6:00pm.

No one saw the baby at any time - filthy, bawling, black truck - nothing. The store clerk only remembered the parents after seeing them again and that they were talking about the baby, but did not see the baby.

IT WAS A RUMOR.

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

No one saw the baby at any time - filthy, bawling, black truck - nothing. The store clerk only remembered the parents after seeing them again and that they were talking about the baby, but did not see the baby.

IT WAS A RUMOR.

Where's that darn transcript when ya need it?

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

No one saw the baby at any time - filthy, bawling, black truck - nothing. The store clerk only remembered the parents after seeing them again and that they were talking about the baby, but did not see the baby.

IT WAS A RUMOR.

JM said it was a rumor, to which DK answered that it was, indeed, him.

 

[Lillahazel]

It's so difficult to judge these two because their behavior is so bizarre. Honestly, I have to go back and rethink everything. I cannot believe they would discuss a town rumor in their interview that should have focused on finding DeOrr and diseminating what facts they had at that stage. That's why I always thought it came from LE as an sighting that may or may not be relevant. All the information regarding this case is so convoluted it's becoming difficult to follow or even speculate.

The only thing constant in this case is the lying and weirdness. Maybe we should start going the opposite of what a normal person would think or do

 

[Lillahazel]

It's a matter of quality versus quantity. As such, it appears IR has provided quality interviews and information. Somebody can indeed be more helpful despite availability if when they do speak, they do not lie, shift stories, or have an agenda. I believe SBs comment about challenging refers more to the fact that IRs attorney must be present for interviews so that makes scheduling challenging.
Nonetheless, his perspective is clear that IR has been consistent, honest, and helpful. I think SB understands and respects IRs decision to seek representation. Anybody in his place would be wise to do the same.

This statement is spot on!

 

[kammiemc]

JM said it was a rumor, to which DK answered that it was, indeed, him.

That was the head-scratching part: why bring up the rumor to dispel it only for DK to verify that it was indeed him, but just the wrong time and with DeOrr not being in that condition? Made it seem like they only brought it up so they could spin it to make it seem like the little boy had indeed been seen at the store. And it will be even weirder of he wasn't even driving a black truck on that trip.

IMO, it's a bit arrogant on their part to think they could manipulate the public to believe their garbage. They thought they were being so clever, but it was so obvious!


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[MBK]

The only thing constant in this case is the lying and weirdness. Maybe we should start going the opposite of what a normal person would think or do

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. - Hunter S. Thompson

 

[persimmon]

If there really was a rumour, I would have expected them to jump on it as evidence that DeOrr was abducted - This mystery man at 6pm abducted my son! Find him! Not say That was me. Me and my filthy, bawling son.

We haven't heard anything about the staring man for a while, have we... They just dropped it as soon as they realised no one believed them. As someone said earlier in the thread, they dropped the charade ages ago. They're not even bothering to go through the motions of looking for their son.

:moo:

I'm starting to get a dejavu on this topic...or maybe something similiar or a portion? It seems I recall we had a variety of theories, but one that sticks out is that the black truck filthy child rumor was important for them because it added an element of doubt that could be used at a later date. Almost like, oh shucks.
.golly that was me because i have a black truck etc....they wanted the opposite of what they said. Now my ideas are becoming just as convoluted.

 

[persimmon]

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. - Hunter S. Thompson

Lol...that's one of my favorite Thompson quotes...and quotes in general. Love it!

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

Jessica: I just, somebody at the store, um at Leador, said, it was one of the ladies that had worked at the store, said that they saw, um, a gentleman and a younger blonde boy matching our description of our son, really filthy, buying candy for him, and he was just bawling, in a black truck. That is the only other...
DeOrre Sr.: There's a problem, my pick-up truck is black..
Jessica: he drives a black truck.
DeOrre Sr.: as a family, we went down to get a few things. It was me, but they claim it was at six o clock...that afternoon, evening, but we..were...
Jessica: Earlier, it was earlier that day
DeOrre Sr.: ..with search and rescue until what, a quarter to four..?
Jessica: yeah..
DeOrre Sr.: we didn't, we never, haven't left the camp since one o clock that afternoon, so it's just a lot of hearsay, and..

It's open to interpretation, but I took this to mean that he was admitting it was him with the dirty crying kid.

 

[kammiemc]

We have hashed out the 2 campsite theory and there is no evidence of this.

This theory has been around since the beginning. Klein also said there was no evidence of this when asked about it in one of the two q and a's. I think some people still believe this is possible because no one has definitely put the kibosh on it. However, I have gotten the feeling sometimes that when Klein says there "is no evidence" of something happening, it has as much to do with having conflicting information/evidence, like, for instance, that a witness could put the group at the Timber Creek campsite on Thurs. Just a feeling and I could be wrong.



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[persimmon]

The only thing constant in this case is the lying and weirdness. Maybe we should start going the opposite of what a normal person would think or do

So true! We need to make nonsense out of sense and then maybe we will get somewhere.

 

[cobalt sky]

The strange thing is, if there was no sighting why was Vernal so eager to say that the sighting of a filthy bawling kid was of him with DeOrr?

Maybe this "rumor" was originally told by VDK to JM in order to convince HER of something? And VDK wasn't expecting her to bring it up in the interview, so he jumped in to do damage control. IMO.