ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #22

[ClaireNC]

No, I don't mean the first one (the one in which VDK went on and on about the rescue) I mean the one they did later.

I don't remember another one, but it's been a long time and so many different twists and turns I could have forgotten about it. Do you happen to have a link? I'm going to dig around and see if I can find it. Was it maybe on the 1 or 2 month anniversary of him being missing?

 

[bluesneakers]

I don't remember another one, but it's been a long time and so many different twists and turns I could have forgotten about it. Do you happen to have a link? I'm going to dig around and see if I can find it. Was it maybe on the 1 or 2 month anniversary of him being missing?

Sorry. I thought everyone was familiar with it.

[video=youtube;wn4dbrrDLjs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn4dbrrDLjs[/video]

 

[ClaireNC]

Thanks bluesneakers. I completely forgot about that interview. Yes her behavior is odd and her emotions just don't seem genuine to me.

I also found this one too that I had forgotten about. Interesting to watch it again now knowing that the parents are suspects. Jessica shows no emotion...

http://www.onenewspage.com/video/20...nd-Friends-Continue-Search-for-DeOrr-Kunz.htm

 

[bessie]

fftopic: Leave the Facebook gossip on Facebook where it belongs.

Thanks.

ETA: A few posts that were removed made legitimate points. Unfortunately, when some drag the discussion down the wrong path, someone else loses out.

 

[Tr.]

Thanks bluesneakers. I completely forgot about that interview. Yes her behavior is odd and her emotions just don't seem genuine to me.

I also found this one too that I had forgotten about. Interesting to watch it again now knowing that the parents are suspects. Jessica shows no emotion...

http://www.onenewspage.com/video/20...nd-Friends-Continue-Search-for-DeOrr-Kunz.htm

Thanks. This is not to accuse JM of anything, however, when I watch the interviews and see the news clips with her in them I am reminded of someone I know who's the same age and is currently addicted to a drug called MODAFINIL (that she began taking to fight a crack cocaine addiction). It's a prescription level 4.
Her body movements and mannerisms and mono toned speech remind me of my friend that's all.

I agree there is a lack of emotion, specifically (imo) a lack of urgency. Even in the 911 tape where I would expect to hear panic in a callers voice..I can't say that I hear it.
The shear panic involved with discovering a child missing is a traumatic thing and the mere mention of the event after the fact will often bring back those terrible feelings and likewise an emotional response. But I don't see that here in the interviews...from either parent.
I see sadness and a sense of loss but I'm sensing fear and guilt too.

 

[Rayemonde]

Thinking aloud here...

If the parents lied about breakfast, and Klein expanded the timeline to start at 8am, then something happened that morning. Did DeOrr die early that morning? If he did, then going to the store must have been part of the coverup and the parents must have hidden his body somewhere at that time. But then why go to the store at all? To give them a legitimate reason to be seen driving around the countryside, and try to establish that DeOrr was still alive when they were driving around, so they couldn't have been disposing of a body.

Then they go back to the campsite... Presumably ggp and IR don't know what happened, so they head off fishing with ir, and trick IR and ggp into believing DeOrr is still around. Then they "discover" he's missing, call 911 (and Vernal hauls off - why?).

Assuming the cadaver dogs didn't hit on the truck - why not?

 

[Rayemonde]

Scenario 2. Something happens in the morning. DeOrr is injured. They go to the store to get him away from IR and ggp so they don't ask what happened. They get some candy to try and console him? He's filthy and bawling? They probably don't take him into the store to avoid people noticing his condition. They discuss what to do, and manage to quiet him down a bit.

They go back to the campsite. DeOrr is not looking good. ggp and IR see him sleeping. They leave him sleeping with ggp (they make.up the stuff about him playing in the dirt or whatever to try and establish that he was still alive and healthy at this point, knowing that ggp won't remember). Maybe they're still thinking DeOrr will wake up and be fine at this point? They go back to ggp and see that DeOrr has died. Vernal takes the body without ggp seeing and hauls off to dispose of it. Because DeOrr has only just died, the cadaver dogs don't hit on the truck.

 

[Rayemonde]

Scenario 3: DeOrr was badly injured before the camping trip even began. They knew he was going to die, so they planned the camping trip to hide what had happened. IR and ggp see DeOrr, but he's sleeping.

Scenario 4: DeOrr has already died and been disposed of before the trip begins. the parents decide to fake his disappearance on a camping trip. IR and ggp are somehow tricked into thinking he was there, but he never was. The cadaver dogs don't hit the truck because there was never a body in the truck. The trip to the store was to buy candy so their receipt would back up their story that a child was with them.

 

[Trident]

Scenario 2. Something happens in the morning. DeOrr is injured. They go to the store to get him away from IR and ggp so they don't ask what happened. They get some candy to try and console him? He's filthy and bawling? They probably don't take him into the store to avoid people noticing his condition. They discuss what to do, and manage to quiet him down a bit.

They go back to the campsite. DeOrr is not looking good. ggp and IR see him sleeping. They leave him sleeping with ggp (they make.up the stuff about him playing in the dirt or whatever to try and establish that he was still alive and healthy at this point, knowing that ggp won't remember). Maybe they're still thinking DeOrr will wake up and be fine at this point? They go back to ggp and see that DeOrr has died. Vernal takes the body without ggp seeing and hauls off to dispose of it. Because DeOrr has only just died, the cadaver dogs don't hit on the truck.

Both scenarios are feasible, IMO. I think something along either of those lines is what possibly happened. I have always been suspicious of the trip to find a signal for the 911 call, as well as the trip to town "as a family". It seems either or both of these trips in the truck could have been the building of an "excuse".

:cow:

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Scenario 2. Something happens in the morning. DeOrr is injured. They go to the store to get him away from IR and ggp so they don't ask what happened. They get some candy to try and console him? He's filthy and bawling? They probably don't take him into the store to avoid people noticing his condition. They discuss what to do, and manage to quiet him down a bit.

They go back to the campsite. DeOrr is not looking good. ggp and IR see him sleeping. They leave him sleeping with ggp (they make.up the stuff about him playing in the dirt or whatever to try and establish that he was still alive and healthy at this point, knowing that ggp won't remember). Maybe they're still thinking DeOrr will wake up and be fine at this point? They go back to ggp and see that DeOrr has died. Vernal takes the body without ggp seeing and hauls off to dispose of it. Because DeOrr has only just died, the cadaver dogs don't hit on the truck.

bbm

"They probably don't take him into the store" but in the store have a talk about their/a child as someone remembered. Also a little strange, IMO.

 

[Rayemonde]

Scenario 5 - DeOrr dies on the trip and all four POI know it but agree to cover it up.

 

[Purplepixii]

Scenario 6: They all arrive Thursday night. DJ is alive and well and seen by IR & GGPa. They all go to bed (after whatever) in separate vehicles (except JM/VDK/DJ who are in the truck). Something happens during the night to DJ.

On waking, JM & VDK tell GGPa/IR that they need to "make an urgent trip to the store in Leadore for feminine things" which is actually an excuse to dispose of DJ en-route & clean up any traces within the truck.

When they get back to the campsite they tell GGPa to keep an ear open for DJ who is "asleep in the truck", wander off with IR to (alibi) "look at minnows". On return to the campsite they find that DJ is "missing", call 911 and the fabrication takes a life.

DJK may have "hauled off down the road" not to get signal but dispose of something overlooked earlier within the truck.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Thinking aloud here...

If the parents lied about breakfast, and Klein expanded the timeline to start at 8am, then something happened that morning. Did DeOrr die early that morning? If he did, then going to the store must have been part of the coverup and the parents must have hidden his body somewhere at that time. But then why go to the store at all? To give them a legitimate reason to be seen driving around the countryside, and try to establish that DeOrr was still alive when they were driving around, so they couldn't have been disposing of a body.

Then they go back to the campsite... Presumably ggp and IR don't know what happened, so they head off fishing with ir, and trick IR and ggp into believing DeOrr is still around. Then they "discover" he's missing, call 911 (and Vernal hauls off - why?).

Assuming the cadaver dogs didn't hit on the truck - why not?

I don't know when the parents may have disposed of the body. I could imagine they drove away (next shop in Leadore to have a reason if someone would ask them) because they needed time to discuss their giant problem and what to say/to do now without listeners (GGP/IR)?

 

[CatsInTheCradle]

Both scenarios are feasible, IMO. I think something along either of those lines is what possibly happened. I have always been suspicious of the trip to find a signal for the 911 call, as well as the trip to town "as a family". It seems either or both of these trips in the truck could have been the building of an "excuse".

:cow:

I agree with you. The "as a family" seemed to be put in there to convince everyone little Deorr was with them. I do wonder if little Deorr got up before any adults that morning and wandered off hurting himself. Maybe it was truly a horrible accident, therefore the parents do know what happened and where he is. However they are protecting themselves and their grief is real. They figure nothing can bring him back and they don't want to be charged with neglect and whatever else LE can throw at them. Remember DK said the baby was a mover and a goer. I have always been suspicious of the hauling down the road comment. Just random thoughts and jmo.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Version 1: Little Deorr died before the trip. He got disposed of somewhere.
Version 2: Little Deorr died at the campground. He got disposed of somewhere but not near the campground.

Whether version 1 or 2, he had to have been in some car for a certain time and in a dead condition.
If the cadaver dogs didn't hit on the truck then little Deorr's body hasn't been the truck, not before arriving at the campground and not after leaving the campground.

Question: How did another unknown car come into play? What are the options?
I always missing a driver or a car or even both if I think about.

 

[CatsInTheCradle]

One of those polls might be interesting to do regarding these scenarios. Anyone know how to do that?

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

Scenario 6: They all arrive Thursday night. DJ is alive and well and seen by IR & GGPa. They all go to bed (after whatever) in separate vehicles (except JM/VDK/DJ who are in the truck). Something happens during the night to DJ.

On waking, JM & VDK tell GGPa/IR that they need to "make an urgent trip to the store in Leadore for feminine things" which is actually an excuse to dispose of DJ en-route & clean up any traces within the truck.

When they get back to the campsite they tell GGPa to keep an ear open for DJ who is "asleep in the truck", wander off with IR to (alibi) "look at minnows". On return to the campsite they find that DJ is "missing", call 911 and the fabrication takes a life.

DJK may have "hauled off down the road" not to get signal but dispose of something overlooked earlier within the truck.

JMO

I, too, think that something happened during the night. DeOrr disappeared wearing his pajama pants. I know people don't change their kids' clothes as soon as they get up in the morning and some let them run around in their night clothes all day, but I would have put pants on the kid before going to the store and especially before I left him wander around the campsite.

 

[MBK]

Scenario #7 (Lost count!) Okay, here's a scenario I brought up before . . . in part.
Thursday night, VK and DM go to the bar and grill in Leadore. Little Deorr stays in the car. While they are inside, Deorr gets OUT of the car, possibly looking for his mother. He wanders away. When VK and DM get out of the car, they don't remember that little Deorr was with them, and they drive off. In the morning, when they wake up, shortly before 8 am, they realize . . . where's little Deorr? They drive back to town to get feminine products, etc., etc., and FIND little Deorr. He's filthy, and crying.
7.1 He's badly injured from a fall, etc., . . . he dies and they bury him in the sand pit. The French fry order is a "cover" for the fact that he's dead. (Hmmmm . . . I don't THINK this is working in terms of the cadaver dogs not hitting on the car, but I suppose they're not infallible.)
7.2 He's hit by a car as he's walking down the road looking for mommy. The person who hits him didn't even see him in the darkness. They can't figure out where this little kid came from. They take him with them and bury him elsewhere.

I'm sure there's more possibilities to expand on Scenario 7.

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

Everyone I know takes an ice chest on a camping trip. Could this be the reason dogs didn't hit? That is, DeOrr passes away during the night, his body is put in an ice chest and then disposed of during the trip to the store. DK reminds me of someone that would have one of those huge metal Coleman ice chests. Would dogs hit on an ice chest that once had a body in it since the body would have been kept cold which would have slowed down decomposition? Maybe the ice chest was tossed along with the body. Maybe the ice chest was put back in the truck after his little body was tossed in a dumpster, hence his body not being found buried or unburied on the mountain. If it was thrown in a dumpster, chances are it will never be found.

 

[MBK]

I, too, think that something happened during the night. DeOrr disappeared wearing his pajama pants. I know people don't change their kids' clothes as soon as they get up in the morning and some let them run around in their night clothes all day, but I would have put pants on the kid before going to the store and especially before I left him wander around the campsite.

I think that they probably drove up on Thursday night with Deorr in PJ pants and a tshirt (camo hoodie over that).
I realize that my Scenario 7 (.1 and .2) does not take into account the DIAPER supposedly thrown out by GMA at the campsite, as my Scenario 7 doesn't have little Deorr actually AT the campsite.