ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #23

[DatelineFan]

I'm laughing that Klein just reminded Browning of how lawsuits work!

 

[DatelineFan]

Could the equipment be the 4 wheelers they were driving around during the search? I still think it's possible they relocated the body on Saturday or Sunday. Klein says the cadaver dogs hit during the initial two weeks.

I think it's likely that at least one officer was with JM and VDK during that weekend.

 

[neesaki]

DeOrr/Vernal is posting over at EIN:

DeOrr Kunz When Jessica was asked where do you think your son is her response was I think he still on the mountain and we have not found him and there blowing it was out the water

TR - Then why was she saying he was still on the mountain if you all believe he was abducted? Conflicting....

DeOrr Kunz Like a tactic like are life's are not already destroyed they have nothing to go off to find my son they hit the same wall we did and le and now there just pushing hoping to mentally break us more but issue is I and we don't know more other then my world is missing but they fully believe different and no way for me to prove different so them putting public pressure all it does is further mentally mess us up like having a missing child and not knowing what to do is not hard enough and then of coarse your face book dectives which anyone who believes everything you see and read on fb there judgement is not very credible to begin with if you really think about it

ETA - and here I thought he was difficult to understand when listening to him talk in interviews. I don't know WHAT he just said above. ???

What? This is horrible and an abomination to the English language, is he really that illiterate? jmo

 

[DatelineFan]

RSBM - would that have been possible? Here in the uk usually in a case like this a family liaison officer would be assigned and the parents probably wouldn't be alone very much. Is this not the norm there? Apologies for my ignorance, I'm quite new to this, would they not have been under close scrutiny from the moment LEO arrived?

Actually, I disagree with whoever said we don't have this. It's actually pretty common, I think, for an officer or two to be assigned to them. A specific case where this happened was with Kyron Horman, for example. An officer stayed at the Horman home for at least a week.

 

[Beezneez]

I am taking a bit of satisfaction tonight. There is nothing to be happy about, but these people are being publicly called out in their nonsense. That baby drew a short straw & I could drive myself crazy trying to make sense of the injustices of this world. He was an innocent soul that fell victim to the worst of this world. So many parents would have given him a wonderful home. Not perfect, but somewhere safe and loving.
There is a dark corner of hell for these parents & whoever else has participated in the demise and coverup that has happened.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Vernal knows everything Jessica knows. The only difference is Jessica broke down during questioning.

 

[persimmon]

Actually, I disagree with whoever said we don't have this. It's actually pretty common, I think, for an officer or two to be assigned to them. A specific case where this happened was with Kyron Horman, for example. An officer stayed at the Horman home for at least a week.

Sorry, I've never heard of such a person. I had no idea we assigned officers to people....it would seem to violate civil rights or something. I stand corrected.

 

[DatelineFan]

Sorry, I've never heard of such a person. I had no idea we assigned officers to people....it would seem to violate civil rights or something. I stand corrected.

I don't know what it's called, or anything. I'm not sure it has a name... I don't know how official it is, but it's definitely something they do. I would be surprised if someone wasn't at the hotel (did I read that somewhere?) where they stayed.

ETA - does anyone know if there's a name for this?

 

[said_it_and_meant_it]

Something that has always, since the release of the 911 call, made me go "hmmmm" was the way little DeOrr was dressed. From Jessica's mouth {for what that's worth} he had on a camo jacket, blue pajama pants and cowboy boots. I have always wondered why he was still in pajamas at 2:00 in the afternoon on a warm summers day while camping. His clothing is something I can see him wearing while playing around the camp during breakfast, morning hours. But pajamas, jacket and boots at 2:00 in the afternoon.... Personally it has never felt right to me. I DO believe there is truth in that is what he was wearing last. Just not wearing it alive at 2:00. The new time line of 8:00 in the morning and DeOrr going missing while wearing his pajama pants says to me something happened or started to happen during the night or early morning hours. There is a lot more I want to say after hearing Kleins interview today but since I want to stay a part of this group I will wait until I can say it in a less "colorful" way.
JMO

 

[Jackeee]

Even though Klein has been saying all the things I've been expecting to hear, how much authority does he have to be making these public statements? He must have all his ducks in a row to say what neither local LE or the FBI have shared. JMO

 

[neesaki]

I agree, but I'm glad he included that because it might work in a devisive manner. According to what Klein said, she has strongly suggested she is a victim.

Where does Klein suggest that JM's a victim, am I misunderstanding your post? TIA

 

[Beezneez]

Looked on fb, the video with Kleins "sneak preview" statement has 50,000 views. I don't see a count for the full interview, but that is a LOT of people who care about what happened to that baby.

 

[DatelineFan]

Sorry, I've never heard of such a person. I had no idea we assigned officers to people....it would seem to violate civil rights or something. I stand corrected.

Sorry, I can't get over this because I really want to know if it's an official protocol. You bring up a good point about civil rights. I have a family member in LE. I'm going to ask him about this and see if I can get a link! I'm quoting you in case you're interested. I don't like not having a definite answer.

 

[kammiemc]

I wouldn't be surprised if JM is feeding a story to VK about what she's told LE/Klein. Scared spouse or saving tail, either one, she's not going to tell VK anything she's told LE/Klein.

I do find it odd that their stories don't match. You'd think they'd be rehearsing at breakfast. Maybe they didn't think to go over the little details at all.

I don't think they are particularly bright, yet very cocky--a bad combo. But good for investigators trying to bring justice for little DeOrr and the community.


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[DexterMorgan]

Why did the dad willingly take 9 separate polygraphs?

Especially if he knew he failed the first 2. Those things are not even admissible. So why did he agree to all 9 of them

 

[neesaki]

You know she is! She couldn't survive without the plastic facade of SM.

SM, her life's blood.

 

[kammiemc]

Something that has always, since the release of the 911 call, made me go "hmmmm" was the way little DeOrr was dressed. From Jessica's mouth {for what that's worth} he had on a camo jacket, blue pajama pants and cowboy boots. I have always wondered why he was still in pajamas at 2:00 in the afternoon on a warm summers day while camping. His clothing is something I can see him wearing while playing around the camp during breakfast, morning hours. But pajamas, jacket and boots at 2:00 in the afternoon.... Personally it has never felt right to me. I DO believe there is truth in that is what he was wearing last. Just not wearing it alive at 2:00. The new time line of 8:00 in the morning and DeOrr going missing while wearing his pajama pants says to me something happened or started to happen during the night or early morning hours. There is a lot more I want to say after hearing Kleins interview today but since I want to stay a part of this group I will wait until I can say it in a less "colorful" way.
JMO

I've always thought there must be a reason they shied away from wanting people to know they arrived Thurs night and also that DK's 911 run is part of the puzzle. I feel like nighttime is a likely time for an accident. Wonder what they woke up to that morning, if they slept.


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[persimmon]

Where does Klein suggest that JM's a victim, am I misunderstanding your post? TIA

The following quote seemed to suggest she was somehow a "victim":
This has been very disturbing to us. We have attempted to work with Jessica tremendously. We have offered to fly her to Texas to give her the opportunity to get away from Idaho because she’s scared of some situations.

 

[DatelineFan]

Why did the dad willingly take 9 separate polygraphs?

Especially if he knew he failed the first 2. Those things are not even admissible. So why did he agree to all 9 of them

My guess is, like others have said, he's just not very bright. But it sounds like he's also stubborn and smug. Not a great combination.

 

[persimmon]

Sorry, I can't get over this because I really want to know if it's an official protocol. You bring up a good point about civil rights. I have a family member in LE. I'm going to ask him about this and see if I can get a link! I'm quoting you in case you're interested. I don't like not having a definite answer.

I'm glad you are...I'm the same way about wanting to know the facts. Of course an innocent family would appreciate such a person but others..... Do post what you find because it really would add a new dimension to the investigative process.