ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #23

[SweetT]

I wouldn't say Vernal is getting a free pass. If you listen to Klein speak, he is urging BOTH of them to come forward with the full story. Most of the focus is on Jessica because, according to Klein, she has divulged to both him and LE that she knows where the body is, yet she refuses to say any more. Vernal hasn't made any such semi-confession. Klein believes Jessica is close to revealing that information, whereas he thinks Vernal isn't quite "there, yet."

The ONLY reason I can think that they would not want LE to find their baby is if there is Damaging evidence that whatever happened to him was NO ACCIDENT..

 

[DexterMorgan]

Klein Investigations doesn't just work on one case at a time. They are investigating other cases as we speak.

Well are they doing sit down interviews in the media about these cases as well as we speak.

The guy clearly mentions that if his current client fires him from Deorrs case; He will then get another client to represent for Deorrs case. Wtf.

I thought he had his info of an accident but still had other cases that he need to deal with. Jmo.

So if he knows that this was an accident while finding out which places for LE to search.

Then shouldn't he keep it moving to publicize the next case. Jmo. But I will always respect yours as well.

 

[ConcernedCitizenID]

The ONLY reason I can think that they would not want LE to find their baby is if there is Damaging evidence that whatever happened to him was NO ACCIDENT..

Exactly.

 

[kammiemc]

Thank you so much for this post. I agree 100% with you.

There are only four people who "know" what happened at Timber Creek and Klein isn't one of them. He can speculate, assume, guess, but that is all. I would be extremely surprised if LE, both Lemhi & Bonneville County, and the FBI were giving all this information to Klein. That just isn't how LE works. I worked in Bonneville County with LE and it was difficult to get information even being an insider let alone a PI from Texas.

Until and unless SB confirms Klein's story I'm going to reserve judgement. If JM & VDK harmed DeOrr they should be and will be held accountable by the proper authorities. Reading some of the comments about them and their family here and on SM turns my stomach. I get wanting to sleuth and find answers but trashing people for something without ANY proof is shameful.

Because VDK is an uneducated country boy who is inarticulate, somehow he must be guilty? Because he uses phrases and words not commonly used outside of Eastern Idaho, like hauled, he is a murderous, drug making/using, wife beating, child freak?

Because JM shares custody of two of her children with their father, who they happen to live with, she is a horrid beast of a mother? Because she was terminated from her job, she must be guilty of murder? Because she didn't show the "appropriate" emotions, she must be a drugged out psycho b**** who kills two year olds for fun?

Because VDK & DK hired an attorney does not make them guilty. If I my child was missing and I was being vilified all over SM I would have hired one a lot sooner.

Their child is gone, most likely dead and regardless of the how & why they & their families will have to live with this the rest of their lives. A tiny bit of compassion isn't the worst thing we could give to that grieving family.

If they are arrested, charges, and convicted I will then be convinced they are guilty.

In all fairness, there might be a little exaggerating going on. DK and JM have failed multiple lie detector tests have been named the suspects in their child's disappearance by SB. He has been clear that they absolutely know what happened to their son and where he is located.

No one becomes a suspect (in LE's or the public's minds) for disappearing their son just because they are inarticulate or don't have custody of their other children.

DK's manner of BS'ing is in line with lying. It is only relevant because he has, per LE, lied nonstop for the past eight months about what happened to his son.

JM's giving up or losing custody of her first two children is a possible clue as to her inability to properly parent or a choice to unburden herself of the responsibility. Both of those are relevant only because she is suspected of disappearing her third child.
(You might say that she shares custody of her children. Her ex does not frame it that way.)



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[Rayemonde]

Great post! In regards to the ever changing story? I have held a belief since early on the the parents were negligent due to substance use. To me this would explain inconsistency in story because their brains were/are impaired. It could also explain the polygraph results as they both probably do blame themselves and they are lying because they are afraid to get caught out for it. I've always said that the little lies in beginning as to the time they took for their walk were drug related and the white lies turned into a white out blizzard as they struggled on later occasions to make it fit.
All of this to me us consistent with an accidental death/cover-up, or the baby wandering off into the wilderness.
Personally I can see them coming back and finding DeOrr in the creek. Panic and paranoia commence due to being under the influence and bingo a nasty brew of deep doodoo that they can't climb out of ever since.
Just another viewpoint I guess.

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Well, if that is the case then maybe the public calling them liars and murderers is what they need to make them come out and tell the truth. They've made their own bed, now they can lie in it. I have no sympathy for them.

 

[Deleted member 718]

So what more does he want. And don't give me that justice crap. If he truly investigate missing kid cases. Then maybe he should be honorable like Tim Miller (Texas equasearch) and move on. Jmo

Remember when Tim Miller decided to no longer move on the Mcstay case due to xyz. Did Tim Miller do a national campaign about it. No. He simply just kept it moving to the next case.

sbm
Your post reminded me, I was happy to read that Tim Miller and Texas Equusearch will be searching for Deorr soon. I thought Klein said within 30-45 days. So many want Deorr found.

I can't get into attacking the personal styles of those wanting justice. If I went there, the Kunz family attorney Allen Browning would be my topic of the day.

 

[Beezneez]

Does anyone have any ideas on what is required to hire a PI? Can anyone just hire Klein or does it need to be someone with a direct interest in the case? I just ask because I am wondering who the two people are that have contacted Klein to have him continue investigating. If it is another family member the walls might be cracking.

 

[Paulas88]

Well are they doing sit down interviews in the media about these cases as well as we speak.

The guy clearly mentions that if his current client fires him from Deorrs case; He will then get another client to represent for Deorrs case. Wtf.

I thought he had his info of an accident but still had other cases that he need to deal with. Jmo.

Dex, I'm thinking he has a large staff (?) and is able to work on multiple cases at once.

 

[ConcernedCitizenID]

Well are they doing sit down interviews in the media about these cases as well as we speak.

The guy clearly mentions that if his current client fires him from Deorrs case; He will then get another client to represent for Deorrs case. Wtf.

I thought he had his info of an accident but still had other cases that he need to deal with. Jmo.

So if he knows that this was an accident while finding iut which places for LE to search.

Then shouldn't he keep it moving to publicize the next case. Jmo. But I will always respect yours as well.

What Klein actually has stated is this: "Accordingly we have received a request to continue this case from two interested parties who wish us to continue. We are vetting those two requests as we speak." He has not gone searching for clients, they have come to him.

https://www.facebook.com/KleinInvestigations/posts/964666603615924

 

[OSpyder]

Does anyone have any ideas on what is required to hire a PI? Can anyone just hire Klein or does it need to be someone with a direct interest in the case? I just ask because I am wondering who the two people are that have contacted Klein to have him continue investigating. If it is another family member the walls might be cracking.

This has been on my mind all day and I am starting to think it just may actually be family. And there is one person that stands out in my mind.

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

Premeditation or pre-planning would have to involve Bob and Trina because we were told it was Bob's idea to go to that campground and Trina asked JM to go along to keep an eye on Bob.

 

[ConcernedCitizenID]

All of this to me us consistent with an accidental death/cover-up, or the baby wandering off into the wilderness.Personally I can see them coming back and finding DeOrr in the creek. Panic and paranoia commence due to being under the influence and bingo a nasty brew of deep doodoo that they can't climb out of ever since.
Just another viewpoint I guess.

I'm still stuck on the cerebral fluid / possible blood that the cadaver dogs hit on. That probably wouldn't be present with an accidental drowning, right? I hate all the thoughts that are going on in my head right now. That poor baby!

 

[Cardinal47]

sbm
Your post reminded me, I was happy to read that Tim Miller and Texas Equusearch will be searching for Deorr soon. I thought Klein said within 30-45 days. So many want Deorr found.

I can't get into attacking the personal styles of those wanting justice. If I went there, the Kunz family attorney Allen Browning would be my topic of the day.

I didn't know Tim Miller and TES were going to be searching. Where did you read that. Sorry I must have missed it.

 

[ConcernedCitizenID]

Premeditation or pre-planning would have to involve Bob and Trina because we were told it was Bob's idea to go to that campground and Trina asked JM to go along to keep an eye on Bob.

Do we know that for a fact? It sounds like a rumor to me, a least that's what I always considered it to be.

Even so, can you imagine these two coming up with such an elaborate plan that involved them actually TRAVELING down to Leadore just so that they could be spotted by someone for them to use in a later cover up story? Nahhh....I don't think so!

 

[ConcernedCitizenID]

I didn't know Tim Miller and TES were going to be searching. Where did you read that. Sorry I must have missed it.

Klein said that in this interview aired yesterday: http://www.localnews8.com/news/private-investigator-cadaver-dog-proves-there-was-a-death/38307992

 

[AmyPond]

Am I the only person who doesn't take a picture of everything I do? Why is everyone thinking that no camping photos = no DeOrr?

ETA - Is it because I don't have kids?

I don't think it has anything to do with having or not having kids. It's just a personal choice. I, for example, take dozens of pictures of my son every day. Usually it's just for us. But I do put quite a few on Instagram too. Then there's my brother who also has kids...and he almost never posts photos online. I think my SIL takes a fair amount because she has a nice camera and is into photography. But I rarely see any of those.

Some people like pictures. Some don't. Since I don't know what kind of people these parents are, I can't say if no pictures is normal for them or not.

 

[ConcernedCitizenID]

This has been on my mind all day and I am starting to think it just may actually be family. And there is one person that stands out in my mind.

Who would that person be, do you think? I can't think of any family member who would want to expose Jessica and Vernal to the continued scrutiny.

 

[ConcernedCitizenID]

I don't think it has anything to do with having or not having kids. It's just a personal choice. I, for example, take dozens of pictures of my son every day. Usually it's just for us. But I do put quite a few on Instagram too. Then there's my brother who also has kids...and he almost never posts photos online. I think my SIL takes a fair amount because she has a nice camera and is into photography. But I rarely see any of those.

Some people like pictures. Some don't. Since I don't know what kind of people these parents are, I can't say if no pictures is normal for them or not.

And, we actually don't have any way of knowing how many pictures were (or weren't) taken, right?

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

Well are they doing sit down interviews in the media about these cases as well as we speak.

The guy clearly mentions that if his current client fires him from Deorrs case; He will then get another client to represent for Deorrs case. Wtf.

I thought he had his info of an accident but still had other cases that he need to deal with. Jmo.

So if he knows that this was an accident while finding out which places for LE to search.

Then shouldn't he keep it moving to publicize the next case. Jmo. But I will always respect yours as well.

I'm not following any of Klein's other cases so I don't know if he is doing interviews about them.

He has been fired, and two individuals have already approached him about representation. He didn't go begging.

JM knows where to search. Klein said it's either an accident or murder.

He doesn't need to publicize any of his cases but when asked to do interviews, he does.

 

[scmom]

Allen Browning, who's representing both Jessica and Vernal, says he's spoken to his clients a number of times about what happened that day.
http://www.ktvb.com/news/local/idaho/kunz-family-fires-private-investigator/65018463

It seems kind of odd that one attorney is representing both parents and apparently Vernal's dad too , though I guess since no charges have been brought yet it makes no difference.