ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #23

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

Are you kidding me. Tim Miller knew that the Mcstay family case was a doozy due to xyz and he kept it moving without bashing certain people. Tim Miller personally told LE what he knew and thought and left that case alone. Jmo.

So do not compare Klein's tactics to a Tim Miller. Jmo

So you are saying the McStay killer told Miller he did it? Klein has first-hand knowledge that JM knows everything. He's an investigator and is paid to investigate and that's what he's going to continue to do.

 

[Cardinal47]

I have wondered about that too. My son and his wife just took their first child camping last summer. They posted a dozen pics of her sitting on a blanket in the camp site, looking at the river. And one of her happily playing in the dirt by the campfire, and one of her eating 'smores. It seems odd they do not have any pix of DeOrr eating eggs that morning by the campfire or eating fries in town?

I have to respond. To me it's really sad that none of them..none..have pictures of the two little ones Jessica gave up. If you go to their FB pages it's all Missing DeOrr.

Jessica has a Mother, Father, Sister and none of them even acknowledge there are two little children that probably would like a grandma hug now and then.

At first I tried to think they were leaving them out to protect them but over time I have found that's just not true.

I too have wondered about no pictures of little DeOrr at the campgrounds. But past history usually tells us something about future performance doesn't it!

 

[DexterMorgan]

Check the weather in Leadore on google. Its supposed to rain/snow today and several more times this week. Its like 20-40 degrees in Leadore this week. I wouldn't call that hot.

Lol. And that's why I live in California. Lol.

But are you stating that no child should be looked for on a cold snowy day.

Shouldn't a search team in cold and snowy states be prepared for searching in these conditions. Jmo.

The search parties in these areas are not off the hook.

Unless you advocate killers to kill in the winter time since there will never be any searches.

 

[pepelepolecat]

Hi Courtney!
It does give me pause that LE hasn't denied Klein's statements as well. It could be telling. I don't deny that the parents may be complicit in baby DeOrrs death. I guess I just don't care for Klein, his methods, his vague speaking style. So because of this I am going to wait to see what LE finally goes on the record with...Or how DeOrr is eventually found. But I can totally see where you all are coming from. I just wanted to post my misgivings about Klein. He's a character at best.

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I have mixed feelings about Klein -- but I will say that SB also quite clearly said that the parents "absolutely" know where DeOrr is and what happened, so I'm inclined (inKleined?) to believe that Klein isn't blowing all that much smoke when he says that JM knows where he is.

 

[desert-blue]

I think that everything we've been told by the parents is part of the myth. Their child was deceased and they were covering it up, starting as early as 8:00 AM. I don't believe for a second that JM started her period and/or that she needed feminine supplies. That was just an excuse to make a trip to the store as part of their cover-up (and maybe they needed other supplies, who knows...). She texted her mom because she was attempting to "show" what they doing (as a family) and why they needed to go. The trip to the store was supposed to "prove" that DeOrr was alive and with them. They made up the rumor about the store sighting as a way to get the word out to the public during their interview and convince us that DeOrr was with them at the store. That's why DK insisted it was him and DeOrr, just earlier in the day. It was me! That was us! We were at the store! The clerk saw us! Sorry, but they are lying every step of the way. JM didn't coincidentally get her period right in the middle of them covering up their son's death. I don't buy it. MOO.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I bet you that 1000 families are now seeking Kleins help for their case which is good.

But Klein will probably keep his attention on this case until he proves whatever.

So if Klein knows what happened. Then why not put more focus in to finding the next kid. Jmo

Tim Miller would probably disagree with some of Klein tactics as well. Jmo

BBM:

I'm sure Tim would disagree with Klein's tactics. I met Tim once and had joined Texas Equisearch in 2008. He is absolutely my hero. He is not in the best of health now, IMO. Don't ask me how I know. He is a genuine, honorable man and has had his share of grief. That is why he does what he does and how he can understand what most families go through with a missing or deceased loved one. He would be just as appalled with this family as he was with the Anthony's, IMO.

I think I may have done enough reading for today!

 

[DexterMorgan]

I have mixed feelings about Klein -- but I will say that SB also quite clearly said that the parents "absolutely" know where DeOrr is and what happened, so I'm inclined (inKleined?) to believe that Klein isn't blowing all that much smoke when he says that JM knows where he is.

Agree. Klein is simply regurgitating statements by LE while trying to fit it in his own agenda by supposedly solving the case. Jmo.

 

[Beezneez]

Lol. And that's why I live in California. Lol.

But are you stating that no child should be looked for on a cold snowy day.

Shouldn't a search team in cold and snowy states be prepared for searching in these conditions. Jmo.

The search parties in these areas are not off the hook.

Unless you advocate killers to kill in the winter time since there will never be any searches.

Just a response to your remark about search teams being prepared for these conditions. The issue is unstable snow pack. Have you ever heard of an avalanche? That is why they do not have 100+people up there digging around in the snow. A couple snow machines here and there is one thing. A bunch of people at once disrupting the snowpack is asking for trouble. Not only would they likely not be successful, they could easily end up hurting or killing searchers. In addition, the ground is hard as a rock. It would be like trying to dig into concrete. I imagine that his little body is not protected well enough... I don't know how to say this. Think about the heavy excavation equipment that would be needed to bust through the frozen ground. It would be foolish to be up there trying to dig anything out right now.
I would just love to know what you suggest they do to prepare for that search?
If someone were in an exact location and above ground they would bring in a helicopter rescue effort, but that is not the case here.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Just a response to your remark about search teams being prepared for these conditions. The issue is unstable snow pack. Have you ever heard of an avalanche? That is why they do not have 100+people up there digging around in the snow. A couple snow machines here and there is one thing. A bunch of people at once disrupting the snowpack is asking for trouble. Not only would they likely not be successful, they could easily end up hurting or killing searchers. In addition, the ground is hard as a rock. It would be like trying to dig into concrete. I imagine that his little body is not protected well enough... I don't know how to say this. Think about the heavy excavation equipment that would be needed to bust through the frozen ground. It would be foolish to be up there trying to dig anything out right now.
I would just love to know what you suggest they do to prepare for that search?
If someone were in an exact location and above ground they would bring in a helicopter rescue effort, but that is not the case here.

So are you saying that firefighters should not work or try to find people in hot conditions during a summer forest fire.

 

[Lillahazel]

Lol. And that's why I live in California. Lol.

But are you stating that no child should be looked for on a cold snowy day.

Shouldn't a search team in cold and snowy states be prepared for searching in these conditions. Jmo.

The search parties in these areas are not off the hook.

Unless you advocate killers to kill in the winter time since there will never be any searches.

It seems like it would be a lot different searching for someone that got "lost" in the winter vs. someone that got "lost" in the summer and was covered up by the winter.


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[GennaB]

I'm suggesting that you do a Google search before questioning the weather. I don't live in Idaho either but I found the info in seconds. Also, as previously mentioned, Klein is a private citizen and he can't just gather his crew and frolick all over the mountain looking for a body without approval from law enforcement. Since you're from CA, you may not know that the ground freezes when it's cold. If there's any digging to be done, they will have a hell of a time with loads of snow and frozen ground. Dogs may have trouble tracking scent when its all under the snow. Its also incredibly dangerous for a search party to be on a mountain when there's that kind of weather on dangerous terrain. I believe I read somewhere that Klein himself is in Texas at the moment, also. If there is a search, it will most likely be done by LE when they determine that they can search. Searching for a long lost body in several feet of snow is just not common sense! They aren't searching for a live person. If they were, they'd be out there, regardless of the weather.
As for me advocating killing...you're being personal and I think you need to relax. We're all here in the hopes of this boy being brought to justice.

 

[courtneyb]

So are you saying that firefighters should not work or try to find people in hot conditions during a summer forest fire.

Maybe not if they are trying to find dead people.


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[Beezneez]

So are you saying that firefighters should not work or try to find people in hot conditions during a summer forest fire.

Where in my statement are you coming up with that? Are you trying to be constructive and contribute to the ideas discussed here?

 

[MzOpinion8d]

They certainly were lying to family. Jessica's ex-husband was even there helping. He was interviewed on camera and identified as "family." I'm sure some of her family members feel betrayed right now.

I'm guessing most of them aren't surprised at all. I think there's a very small group who *truly* believe them, a slightly larger group who *say* they believe them...and everyone else knows they're liars.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Maybe not if they are trying to find dead people.


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Courtneyb. Good to see you again. I missed you from the Hadsell thread. Hugs my friend. Glad to have you back.

 

[carbuff]

So are you saying that firefighters should not work or try to find people in hot conditions during a summer forest fire.

If a living person is missing, sure. But it would not be reasonable to go into a forest fire to recover a body that had been there for several months.


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[Cardinal47]

RSBM

I might provoke a few slaps from the good ladies here being a man, but...

1, Surely she would have taken or already had such a necessity in her toiletry bag? I would always take plasters and paracetamol on camping trips as a kid, not because I planned on needing them but just in case...

2, Texting mum about this need....maybe if a lot younger, but a 25 year old?

No slaps and to tell you the truth women come up with all kind of inventive things to get them through.

Driving all that way on that bumpy road the morning after arriving has just never made any sense to me.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Am I the only person who doesn't take a picture of everything I do? Why is everyone thinking that no camping photos = no DeOrr?

ETA - Is it because I don't have kids?

JM has/had many photos of Little D on her FB page. No photos wouldn't seem odd in and of itself, but by comparison to lots of photos from many different occasions, it stands out.

 

[Hoosier952]

If they used oxy-bleach or peroxide it would be totally gone. Peroxide is great at getting blood stains out of scrubs & off shoes.

Snipped for space- I feel like this is something a CNA would know, but I'm not 100% certain. I knew about because my mom taught me some basic cleaning tips and tricks growing up. My husband grew up with that knowledge because of hunting and taxidermy work.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Are you kidding me. Tim Miller knew that the Mcstay family case was a doozy due to xyz and he kept it moving without bashing certain people. Tim Miller personally told LE what he knew and thought and left that case alone. Jmo.

So do not compare Klein's tactics to a Tim Miller. Jmo

One more thing..........

Klein's office is in a little strip mall and I have a feeling his staff consists of the women that was on the sofa with him. 3 people, IMO.

LE does not care for PI's or most of the media except for a few. I was married to a man who retired from LE after 22 years and was a deputy myself for 10 years. What I have stated is how it was several years ago and may not be true today but I think it still is. Some PI's interfere with LE's investigations. If I were Klein, I would step lightly because he is throwing around words like 'evidence' and 'proffer'. A 'proffer' would be made to a prosecutor. If Klein was all that professional or educated, he would use words correctly.

All of this is JMO, so take it as you will.

Back to lurking and reading! Just know that I am here for DeOrr and hope every single day that it will be the day he is found!