ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - # 25

[pepelepolecat]

I still feel like JM's text to her mom was an oh my god text, not the innocent it's that time of month gotta go to the store

I wonder if VDK and IR were off fishing when whatever happened to DeOrr that started this nightmare

It's warming up, spring is coming, I feel that SB will do everything in his power to find DeOrr, that's why they were up on that mountain on snowmobiles, plotting out where they are going to search first come spring.

bbm -- In this case, grandma would be involved in the coverup up to her eyeballs -- and what the heck would be wrong with her that she could possibly be perfectly happy with going along with something like this? Would the entire family have to be demented in that great grandpa, grandma and mom could all be totally happy with offing a tiny toddler and ditching his body on a mountainside all summer long and leading the father and the rest of the child's family, LE, the FBI, two PIs, the media and the rest of the world on a ridiculous wild goose chase?

It's just too much. I know that people are indeed sick and that families can be generationally bereft of humanity/morality, but the idea makes me sick for DeOrr.

**speculation and moo

 

[Lillahazel]

RBBM:

It's here (but edited into Chelsea's segment). This is not the extended interview....

Parents break silence

http://m.localnews8.com/news/parent...s-disappearance/38477096#.VuRs_BaSqBg.twitter


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Thank you. I guess I was hoping they would show what lead up to them crying and why VDK was consoling JM. It seemed like that clip was pasted in the middle of things.


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[Deleted member 102539]

I've always felt that Vernal comes across as more emotional than JM. He actually cried tears in their very first interview. I think he still knows what happened and took part in a coverup, but he seems to be feeling more guilt/ remorse/ fear of being caught than J. I was surprised when Klein said J might crack and tell the truth but V never will. Unless she does it simply to get herself off the hook - I can't see her conscience eating away at her or anything like that.

I'm also still not getting any "battered woman" vibes from the latest interview. In fact, if there is any domestic violence I can imagine it going the other way. But who knows, you never can tell how people behave behind closed doors.

I see it this way: a rather helpless man who does everything his wife needs and demands, also a cover-up if necessary whether he is knowing the exact reason or not. She controls herself 100% but I bet she is the household- :dramaqueen: (and more) if TV cameras aren't on her.

 

[pepelepolecat]

Did nobody else notice VDK's for lack of better wording I'm going to say co-dependence, JM is cold and shut off VDK leans over puts his head on her shoulder, shows compassion and she sat there like an ice princess.

I think VDK looks to JM for approval, if I'm good will you love me,

Ice princess is a good description. I was made quite uncomfortable by the way she described DeOrr. I have three kids (also cats and other pets) and never once have I descibed any of them by the way they comfort me. If I describe kids, pets, friends, neighbor kids, random animals in the backyard, I describe THEM. Not by their interactions with me or how they make me feel.

Well, unless we're talking about $#%#$#$ squirrels eating my garden, in which case, all bets are off.

I don't know that that means anything at all. But it made me feel really strange -- like DeOrr was an accessory rather than an actual little boy with feelings, thoughts and interests.

I also learned that DeOrr was, in all likelihood, potty training.

 

[Trident]

Thank you. I guess I was hoping they would show what lead up to them crying and why VDK was consoling JM. It seemed like that clip was pasted in the middle of things.


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I did not see tears streaming down their faces. Maybe I'm blind.

 

[ConcernedCitizenID]

A couple of hours ago KIFI Local News 8 republished the link to the interview on their FB page. And, true to form, the Kunz family claws have come out in the comments section! I swear it's almost like the families have coordinated times that they sit and watch for stories so that they can jump on and make comments immediately. I won't defend the public comments, because some of them are just downright stupid. One thing for certain is that their comments have proven to me that this family LOVES the fight. They want it, they crave the drama. I cannot stand the whole lot of them!

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https://www.facebook.com/LocalNews8/posts/10154033293033872?notif_t=notify_me_page

 

[The Apparition]

IMO, all of the interview questions were pre-approved by JM/VK' lawyer. How about some tough questions, like... What about the failed polygraphs? Or, why two LE agencies, the FBI, and two independent PI' have reached the same conclusions?

All we can hope for, is that the LE know a lot more than we do.

Just saw the "full interview". My observations:

Both VDK and JM repeatedly say they have been 100% cooperative with LE and have done everything they have been asked. Since they both repeat this a couple of times that means of course they have not been 100% cooperative and they are "story telling" and feel the need to convince everyone. It goes without saying if you really have a missing son you are going to do everything LE asks, and would barely mention that because of COURSE you are working with the law.

At the 6:30 or so mark VDK is dribbling guilt all over the place. He throws GGP under the bus but can't complete basic sentences without editing. Most damming of all is the "that's were I'm at I said in my mind" oh no, no, no! That 15 second clip should be watched or listened to by anyone who thinks VDK is innocent. He edits like 3 or 4 times really quickly, and he is fighting his own mind as he navigates and tries to weave his way through the very difficult process of lying. He can't talk and lie well at the same time. His brain is trying to tell a story but his brain also doesn't like lying (like all non sociopaths) so it's incredibly difficult that's why he leaks out the "in my mind" line. In my mind I play first base for the Yankees when I'm not touring as the lead guitarist for Iron Maiden, in reality not so much. Very subtle but key difference.

Neither of them impressed me with their denial about killing or hurting Deorr. Innocence is loud, innocence is shouted from the rooftops, innocence doesn't fear being persecuted or accused.

I also found the story about buying nuggets "accidentally" not even a little believable and a ploy for sympathy. Look at this poor guy, his son is missing, he lost his favorite hat, and he's so distraught he is in denial his son is missing so he buys food for him. I call BULL biscuits on the whole thing.

 

[Lillahazel]

I did not see tears streaming down their faces. Maybe I'm blind.

Yes, you are absolutely accurate I should have worded that differently.

 

[pepelepolecat]

I did not see tears streaming down their faces. Maybe I'm blind.

No, not blind. VDK had tears in his eyes, and at one point, he had his face in her shoulder. No "tears streaming down their faces" per se.

 

[kammiemc]

Just saw the "full interview". My observations:

Both VDK and JM repeatedly say they have been 100% cooperative with LE and have done everything they have been asked. Since they both repeat this a couple of times that means of course they have not been 100% cooperative and they are "story telling" and feel the need to convince everyone. It goes without saying if you really have a missing son you are going to do everything LE asks, and would barely mention that because of COURSE you are working with the law.

At the 6:30 or so mark VDK is dribbling guilt all over the place. He throws GGP under the bus but can't complete basic sentences without editing. Most damming of all is the "that's were I'm at I said in my mind" oh no, no, no! That 15 second clip should be watched or listened to by anyone who thinks VDK is innocent. He edits like 3 or 4 times really quickly, and he is fighting his own mind as he navigates and tries to weave his way through the very difficult process of lying. He can't talk and lie well at the same time. His brain is trying to tell a story but his brain also doesn't like lying (like all non sociopaths) so it's incredibly difficult that's why he leaks out the "in my mind" line. In my mind I play first base for the Yankees when I'm not touring as the lead guitarist for Iron Maiden, in reality not so much. Very subtle but key difference.

Neither of them impressed me with their denial about killing or hurting Deorr. Innocence is loud, innocence is shouted from the rooftops, innocence doesn't fear being persecuted or accused.

I also found the story about buying nuggets "accidentally" not even a little believable and a ploy for sympathy. Look at this poor guy, his son is missing, he lost his favorite hat, and he's so distraught he is in denial his son is missing so he buys food for him. I call BULL biscuits on the whole thing.

Awesome post. LOL.


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[DatelineFan]

I think it's easier for some people to believe VDK because he's better at showing affect than JM.

I think they are both lying liars who lie.

 

[kammiemc]

That is the way I heard it too .... VDK made a sincere challenge to anyone who thinks he did something to come forward and talk to police instead of throwing stones at him on social media.

He seemed to me like he was being sarcastic and basically saying "if you are so smart and so sure you know something then the FBI would like to talk to you." Incredibly ironic, considering that, in reality, LE and FBI are actually asking DK to come forward and say what happened to his son.

He was oozing contempt. Which is to be expected. But I can't figure out why he keeps blaming politics, SM and public opinion for his position. LE has made it pretty clear that the parents created this situation for themselves.


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[Paulas88]

Great post kimi_SFC! snipped for brevity.

Why didn't the parents mention the upcoming search? As you say there are top notch SAR experts waiting for the spring thaw. This will happen without any expense to the parents. You'd think they would tell the public how hopeful and thankful they are for these teams offering their help. Nope, not one word about that. These folks are done with it. They've put 'it' to rest.

Yeah. These specialized teams are coming in to search, and trained dogs from Georgia to help find their son. I'd be praising the lord, big time. But, they're pushing the abduction crap again. Since he wasn't abducted (absolutely IMO) than, the best outcome would be, that little DeOrr was missed in the original searches, and will be found, not far from the CG. The worst scenario is if DeOrr is found disposed or buried in an area he could never have gotten to on his own.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

I have always had a problem with GGP because he basically admits being horribly neglectful. He said that he saw the baby toddle over to the embankment, then he looked away, and then when he looked back, the baby was gone. So he neglectfully assumed that the child somehow found his parents in the woods.

Who watches their 2 yr old grandchild walk down a hill towards a rushing creek and ignores it? Wouldn't that be child endangerment/neglect?

The problem with this is - we've never actually heard him say this. We've heard his daughter say that he said this, but it's never actually been verified to be true.

 

[kammiemc]

Yeah. These specialized teams are coming in to search, and trained dogs from Georgia to help find their son. I'd be praising the lord, big time. But, they're pushing the abduction crap again. Since he wasn't abducted (absolutely IMO) than, the best outcome would be, that little DeOrr was missed in the original searches, and will be found, not far from the CG. The worst scenario is if DeOrr is found disposed or buried in an area he could never have gotten to on his own.

I have a feeling the parents might be very unhappy and fearful of the upcoming search. I have wondered (now that the shoot has hit the fan and LE/Klein seem to be zoning in on a particular area) if DK was planning to try to get up there first and conveniently find DeOrr's remains and contaminate the evidence. But it sounds like Penner said no one can go up there. So that's good.


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[kammiemc]

The problem with this is - we've never actually heard him say this. We've heard his daughter say that he said this, but it's never actually been verified to be true.

Bowerman relayed what GGP told him. I can't recall exactly verbatim what Bowerman said. But I think the gist was that GGP turned his head and DeOrr was gone and he figured he'd met up with the parents because he was in their line of sight.

I think it was on one on-camera I reviews (perhaps the first one).


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[persimmon]

I still feel like JM's text to her mom was an oh my god text, not the innocent it's that time of month gotta go to the store

I wonder if VDK and IR were off fishing when whatever happened to DeOrr that started this nightmare

It's warming up, spring is coming, I feel that SB will do everything in his power to find DeOrr, that's why they were up on that mountain on snowmobiles, plotting out where they are going to search first come spring.

Does anybody recall if there is any official record or word on when JMs mother arrived at the campsite? I recall her arrival being somewhere around 4:40 pm on Friday. That would indicate that JM texted or telephoned her mother prior to calling 911. I don't know about others, but if my child was missing, I wouldn't call my mother who is several hours away and can offer no solutions or help before calling 911.

I do know your comment describes an earlier text to her mother but it triggered the thought I have had for some time. It's always bothered me.

 

[haven71]

Vernal says he left his son with a "trusted" adult.

LE and MSM have made GGP sound like a virtual vegetable from Day 1. I'm sorry, but I don't necessarily think Vernal says that he left his son with a "trusted adult" to make it sound like he hadn't been negligent in leaving Deorr under GGP's supervision. I think possibly GGP was more capable than any one is letting on. He drove a camper! Not some little Honda Accord, but something that takes some skill to do. He still has his license, so his eyes should be in working order. He also had to abide by traffic laws. Maybe he even knew how to parallel park! lol

I think it will come out eventually that GGP was more cognizant and knowledgeable than we've been lead to believe. As I've said, I'd LOVE to hear GGP's 911 call and what was said. As you're probably all sick of me saying, I think there's a decent chance that when he called 911 he may have inadvertently let some pertinent info slip, info that could implicate Vernal and/or Jessica in Deorr's disappearance. Or info hinting that some sort of accident occurred.

I wonder too, if GGP changes his story so much based on his faulty memory, which leads LE thinks should be followed. Surely they can't discount everything he says. I pray they can filter out the noise and recover some crucial information.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

RSBM - for once I totally agree with you Arnie

I think that GGF, still a POI and the "elephant in the room" is key. I think that he is being protected by JM & VDK (and the rest of the family).

To me, he is key to this whole case and the fact that we haven't heard directly from him is massive. I think that the whole family are one of those families who will do anything to protect one of their own. To me this explains the failed poly's, the weird behaviour of little DeOrr's parents, the wonky timeline, the lack of public pleading for DeOrr to be returned by his "kidnapper", the lack of active searching by the parents and family, JM "knowing where her son is" (GGF is on her family's side, not VDK's).

To me, in this interview, they seem to be not holding back exactly but being held back. I got that feeling in their only other interviews too. They're resigned to something / some "force" and I believe that force is the "power and influence of family".

MOO

I think that VDK and JM just nicely accomplished their sole reason for this interview - to cast suspicion on someone else. Well done, suspects!

 

[kammiemc]

Vernal says he left his son with a "trusted" adult.

LE and MSM have made GGP sound like a virtual vegetable from Day 1. I'm sorry, but I don't necessarily think Vernal says that he left his son with a "trusted adult" to make it sound like he hadn't been negligent in leaving Deorr under GGP's supervision. I think possibly GGP was more capable than any one is letting on. He drove a camper! Not some little Honda Accord, but something that takes some skill to do. He still has his license, so his eyes should be in working order. He also had to abide by traffic laws. Maybe he even knew how to parallel park! lol

I think it will come out eventually that GGP was more cognizant and knowledgeable than we've been lead to believe. As I've said, I'd LOVE to hear GGP's 911 call and what was said. As you're probably all sick of me saying, I think there's a decent chance that when he called 911 he may have inadvertently let some pertinent info slip, info that could implicate Vernal and/or Jessica in Deorr's disappearance. Or info hinting that some sort of accident occurred.

I wonder too, if GGP changes his story so much based on his faulty memory, which leads LE thinks should be followed. Surely they can't discount everything he says. I pray they can filter out the noise and recover some crucial information.

We know so little about GGP, it's hard (impossible for me) to make a solid guess about his mental capacity. Just one note. In my current personal experience involving a loved in his 70's with dementia, he can and does drive an SUV all over, a 4-wheeler, and more, and I have no doubt he could tow a camper. At the same time, he often thinks I am his sister (I'm not) and he calls me to tell me things like that he won a $30 mil lottery. Luckily I suspected that was not grounded in reality so didn't hang up the phone and quit my job.


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