ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - # 25

[Deleted member 718]

I understand GGP is not a named suspect, but i don't understand his silence either and perhaps he is the only one who could set the record straight on what actually happened to little Deorr? Make the parents accountable for their responsibility of their child if that is what needs to be done.

Isn't he in the care of Jessica's mom?

Talk about conflict of interest.

 

[kammiemc]

Perhaps they are giving GGP last years newspapers and employing the "Groundhog Day" protocol on him.

Seriously though I don't think anyone can say much about GGP because he hasn't spoken, been photographed, or named a suspect. It certainly seems like a good time to defend himself assuming GGP knows he is being dragged through the mud.. So far he hasn't said JACK. Maybe I just trust the elderly but I have a hard time assuming he is actively involved and encouraging a cover up. If something went wrong on his watch why would he cover it up and live out his remaining days as a baby killer?

And why would the parents being lying their arses off? They seem eager as anything to this day to finger ggp as the person responsible for DeOrr's disappearance. I don't think there is a chance in heck that they would sacrifice their own online reputations (it honestly seems like they worry more about their SM cred than the idea that they could go to jail) and lie belligerently to protect ggp from potential charges. Not a chance. Especially not DK.


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[Karinna]

Isn't he in the care of Jessica's mom?

Talk about conflict of interest.

I really don't know what is going on with the GGP? It's anyone's guess really.

 

[sirensong]

Beezneez, I quickly skimmed a few articles, and the children I was thinking of were 1 year old and under. But they did die from the diphenhydramine, an antihistamine commonly known by the brand name Benadryl. I still wonder about any other substance that could have been given with fatal results for a 2-3 yr. old.

 

[kammiemc]

Was JM the one buying and putting gas in her vehicle or was she with her husband when gas was being put into the vehicle?

She's not married, but I guess she could have been with DK or another friend or family member on trips to go get gas. Of course, she was in the repository for driving without privileges. So it seems that a lack of license didn't necessary preclude her from driving. And when you drive you need gas!


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[Karinna]

And why would the parents being lying their arses off? They seem eager as anything to this day to finger ggp as the person responsible for DeOrr's disappearance. I don't think there is a chance in heck that they would sacrifice their own online reputations (it honestly seems like they worry more about their SM cred than the idea that they could go to jail) and lie belligerently to protect ggp from potential charges. Not a chance. Especially not DK.


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Small town gossipy mentality probably where everyone wants to know everyone else's business and they all have reputations to protect?

 

[sirensong]

If and it's a big" If" that Deorr ingested too much OTC drug, then why wouldn't they get help for him, call the emergency number? Why make an accident look like something more sinister, doesn't make sense seeing as lots of kids get into stuff they're not supposed to and end up in the ER all the time.

I was thinking more of having had it before bed and not waking up the next morning. Like he had already died and there was not going to be help from calling 911. Maybe I didn't think it all the way through, but I still think something of that nature could have happened. Even if it was an injury that was ignored and not discovered until it was too late.

 

[Karinna]

Wasn't it verified a few pages back upthread by LE that GGP did say he was watching Deorr just before he went missing?
If that is true then why would JM & VDK be trying to throw him under the bus? That was in fact GGP's statement to LE.

 

[Rayemonde]

Wasn't it verified a few pages back upthread by LE that GGP did say he was watching Deorr just before he went missing?
If that is true then why would JM & VDK be trying to throw him under the bus? That was in fact GGP's statement to LE.

Because the sheriff said Ggp has memory problems and he tends to agree with whatever you say happened, because he doesn't remember what actually happened.

 

[Karinna]

This from page 26 posted by bessie:
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SB: And they turned and looked at their son and asked him if he wanted to stay with Grandpa or go with them, and he said, “Grandpa,” and started walking towards uh Grandpa. So, mom and dad go down over the creek with…with the friend. They start doing some fishing. Grandpa says he’s watching the child. He’s looking at him momentarily. He looks away, when he looks back the child is gone, and he assumes that the child has gone back down to mom and dad, because it’s just over…just over the hillside, just a little ways.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...php?p=12122056

 

[Karinna]

So if what i just quoted is true that was a very small window of time in which little Deorr went missing. Did he fall into the creek and drown while supposedly on his way to his parents?

 

[kammiemc]

Because the sheriff said Ggp has memory problems and he tends to agree with whatever you say happened, because he doesn't remember what actually happened.

Agree. He also might have been convinced of a certain set of circumstances or doing the "kids" a favor by going along with their story. His story might have changed since the beginning and Klein has said that ggp said he thought there might have been an accident. That would conflict with what we have been told he said to LE. But we are not being told the whole story for good reason.
Bottom line: the stories laid out about exploring and fishing and nap time and a perceived agreement that DeOrr would be in the care of ggp are a myth. IMO.


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[Rayemonde]

Bowerman: He struggles with remembering certain things, and I think he gets frustrated quicker. You ask him something and sometimes he’ll say, “Yeah, maybe that’s what happened,” because he doesn’t truly remember. I can’t say his stories have been inconsistent. He just hasn’t been as knowledgable and forthcoming as the parents. The parents have been very forthcoming. I just don’t think it’s been truthful information.

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/01/sheriff-i-just-pray-little-deorr-will-be-found/

 

[kammiemc]

Small town gossipy mentality probably where everyone wants to know everyone else's business and they all have reputations to protect?

And just personal values.


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[Deleted member 718]

Wasn't it verified a few pages back upthread by LE that GGP did say he was watching Deorr just before he went missing?
If that is true then why would JM & VDK be trying to throw him under the bus? That was in fact GGP's statement to LE.

Well, he was the first to call 911. Yep.

 

[kammiemc]

Wasn't it verified a few pages back upthread by LE that GGP did say he was watching Deorr just before he went missing?
If that is true then why would JM & VDK be trying to throw him under the bus? That was in fact GGP's statement to LE.

I'm not sure how much you have been following, but a lot has evolved in this case. The parents have now been named as the suspects in their son's disappearance. The sheriff says he knows that the parents know where DeOrr is right now. He says they haven't been able to tell the same story twice and have failed critical questions consistently on their polygraphs. So the timeline they provided about going exploring (which changed to fishing) anywhere from 10-45 mins is off the table as something assumed to be true. In fact, the window of time in which something could have happened to DeOrr has been greatly expanded by both LE and Klein. So I'd completely ignore what was originally laid out! IMO.



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[Karinna]

Because the sheriff said Ggp has memory problems and he tends to agree with whatever you say happened, because he doesn't remember what actually happened.

Well most elder people have memory problems and yes it can be frustrating to not remember finer details, but a little boy is missing and GGP was okay with his memory by giving that statement to LE, so why didn't he just say " i have memory probs. and can't remember" if he is so vague?

 

[Karinna]

I'm not sure how much you have been following, but a lot has evolved in this case. The parents have now been named as the suspects in their son's disappearance. The sheriff says he knows that the parents know where DeOrr is right now. He says they haven't been able to tell the same story twice and have failed critical questions consistently on their polygraphs. So the timeline they provided about going exploring (which changed to fishing) anywhere from 10-45 mins is off the table as something assumed to be true. In fact, the window of time in which something could have happened to DeOrr has been greatly expanded by both LE and Klein. So I'd completely ignore what was originally laid out! IMO.



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Thanks, yes i have been following and understand the parents have now been named suspects. Normally after LE name someone a "suspect" doesn't that usually follow through with charges?
As far as polys go they are unreliable and inadmissable in court. I certainly hope LE have more than that against the parents to call them suspects and consequently charge them?

 

[Rayemonde]

Well most elder people have memory problems and yes it can be frustrating to not remember finer details, but a little boy is missing and GGP was okay with his memory by giving that statement to LE, so why didn't he just say " i have memory probs. and can't remember" if he is so vague?

I don't know, I'm not privy to his exact health problems and mental state, but what I do know is he is still classed as a victim in this case on websleuths, and as such we should not sleuth him or accuse him of anything. The parents, however, are officially named suspects so those rules don't apply to them. SB could have named GGP a suspect, but he chose not to, and he has much more information than us. So I'm trusting SB, and giving ggp the full benefit of the doubt.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Was JM the one buying and putting gas in her vehicle or was she with her husband when gas was being put into the vehicle?

She said "It's hard to even leave my house to go get gas..." so the implication is that she is leaving her house to go get some gas by herself.

She's most definitely not with her husband buying anything, since she's divorced and hasn't remarried.

Perhaps she hasn't been getting gas on her own since she was, let's say grounded, for that little license issue.