ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - # 25

[pepelepolecat]

Aren't couples in the U.S. considered in a Defacto relationship if they have been living together for a few years and having children together? I think it is otherwise known as common law husband & wife, but maybe there is no such law in the U.S.?
I have no idea really if JM is driving her vehicle if she has one & putting gas in it, but it doesn't really matter to me anyway.

No, I don't think most states recognize common law relationships anymore. She may have meant they get gas as a couple, though. Like they got out of the truck on the same side as a couple when they got gas in Leadore (or wherever it was), irrc.

 

[MBK]

No, I don't think most states recognize common law relationships anymore. She may have meant they get gas as a couple, though. Like they got out of the truck on the same side as a couple when they got gas in Leadore (or wherever it was), irrc.

Or, getting gas is on her mind. There may well be a number of "tells" in the interview, like the part about "moving stuff around". Store.

 

[Rayemonde]

He talked to LE and the FBI. That's good enough for me. For all we know, he could have retained an attorney months ago and has been told to keep his mouth shut. In this age of transparency brought about by the electronic age, we think we need to know all about all.

Yeah, he's talked to the people who matter. I'm not going to judge him for choosing to stay away from the media circus, for whatever reason.

 

[Paulas88]

“We know that the parents aren’t telling the truth, and they know that we know that they’re lying,” Bowerman said. “I know that they know where the little boy is and what happened to him.”

The interview (IMO) was just to create reasonable doubt, a move from their defense lawyer, as abduction will be their only defence at a trial. This kinda scares me, because it seems (to me) that JM/VK know that DeOrr will not be found, and they're gearing up for a trial without a body. That's why all the ridiculous references to DeOrr still being alive. Reasonable doubt.

 

[Karinna]

The sheriff said GGP tends to agree with what's been said. That indicates to me something considerably more serious than "memory problems". Yes, I might forget on occasion where I put my keys but that's obviously not the same as forgetting what happened to my grandson while he was with me. It's not a question of "finer details" -- apparently he just doesn't remember much (if anything) at all and LE knew his poly wouldn't be useful because of that.

As to why he hasn't spoken out, perhaps he's gone downhill in the last eight months and his ability to remember is even less than it was when this happened. LE has his story. If he's uncomfortable putting that out there for the public, he obviously doesn't have to.

No you're right GGP doesn't have to put anything out there in the public domain at all. Didn't SB state at one time about GGP that depends on what story you want to believe from him? I'm sure i read that somewhere? (modsnip)
I guess we should just completely ignore the fact that GGP & IR were even on that camping trip at all seeing as no one knows anything about little Deorr except they think maybe they saw him there, but they can't be held accountable for anything either? And as far as the little guy's parents go well they are compulsive liars so just ignore their BS as well. So who is left in Deorr's corner then to vouch for him?

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

Bowerman or Klein (I'm getting confused as to who said what) said the fishing/exploring story is a myth but we don't know if all or just parts of the story is a myth.

Bowerman or Klein said GGP said he thinks an accident might have occurred.

The parents have lied since day #1, so could JM have been the person DK left his son with? That respected and trusted person. I know DK uses the words "I" and "me" a lot, but in the latest interview he specifically said HE left the baby with this person. Did JM stay at the site with baby and GGP since she was supposed to be keeping an eye on GGP? I'm not thinking that she and GGP then disappeared him by themselves. I'm just speculating as to who the guilty party could be that allowed an accident to happen.

 

[Susjay]

Wow so well said! A thanks was not enough. I agree these are not people missing their child, these are people who know what happened, where he is, and why they are covering up. I still stop short of saying they purposely caused Deorr's death, but at a minimum they have covered this up, costing resources, time, and tears of so many other people. Shame on them for taking advantage of everyone's good will just so they can escape punishment. The next child who actually needs help might be effected by the backlash of their deeds.

Hey Folks
Just wanted to say thanks. I've been captivated by this little boy's disappearance since mid January. I have appreciated your insights and sharing my ideas. Here, it is all about finding this little boy and it has provided me with community.
Ongoing thanks for the community, Susjay

 

[MBK]

“We know that the parents aren’t telling the truth, and they know that we know that they’re lying,” Bowerman said. “I know that they know where the little boy is and what happened to him.”

The interview (IMO) was just to create reasonable doubt, a move from their defense lawyer, as abduction will be their only defence at a trial. This kinda scares me, because it seems (to me) that JM/VK know that DeOrr will not be found, and they're gearing up for a trial without a body. That's why all the ridiculous references to DeOrr still being alive. Reasonable doubt.

But the thing is, the abduction from the campground scenario makes no sense whatsoever! I don't think (gosh, I hope) that a jury would find that this creates reasonable doubt. I just wonder if they watched and listened to other interview of parents who lost a child. The bit about "he could do nothing wrong in our eyes" (sorry if this is a misquote, but it's an approximation) . .. seems like something a parent would say if their teenager was a runaway!

 

[Karinna]

I think the biggest mistake made in this case was that all four weren't hauled into the local PD from the get go and interrogated appropriately as to what exactly happened to cause a toddler to go missing while in their presence. When statistics tell us in most missing child cases it is family or someone close to the family that are usually the culprits. Why did this lot get treated as if they were innocent? And they claim Deorr went missing from such a remote place with no one else around. Something about this whole case stinks IMO.

 

[sonjay]

Yeah, he's talked to the people who matter. I'm not going to judge him for choosing to stay away from the media circus, for whatever reason.

That suggests to me that he's smarter and has better thinking skills than his granddaughter and grandson-in-law.

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

I think the biggest mistake made in this case was that all four weren't hauled into the local PD from the get go and interrogated appropriately as to what exactly happened to cause a toddler to go missing while in their presence. When statistics tell us in most missing child cases it is family or someone close to the family that are usually the culprits. Why did this lot get treated as if they were innocent? And they claim Deorr went missing from such a remote place with no one else around. Something about this whole case stinks IMO.

No one HAS to answer any questions by any law enforcement officials at any time!

 

[Karinna]

No one HAS to answer any questions by any law enforcement officials at any time!

Oh i know that, but wouldn't you think when a baby's life depends on it if innocent the people that were with that child would be more than willing to help authorities to locate that child as quickly as possible? But yeah, shutting you mouth from co operating with LE certainly helps if you are guilty and don't want to incriminate yourself.

 

[sonjay]

I think the biggest mistake made in this case was that all four weren't hauled into the local PD from the get go and interrogated appropriately as to what exactly happened to cause a toddler to go missing while in their presence. When statistics tell us in most missing child cases it is family or someone close to the family that are usually the culprits. Why did this lot get treated as if they were innocent? And they claim Deorr went missing from such a remote place with no one else around. Something about this whole case stinks IMO.

Do you have a link to any sources that tell us exactly how much the PD questioned those four at the get-go? I wasn't aware that information had been released.

 

[Paulas88]

But the thing is, the abduction from the campground scenario makes no sense whatsoever! I don't think (gosh, I hope) that a jury would find that this creates reasonable doubt. I just wonder if they watched and listened to other interview of parents who lost a child. The bit about "he could do nothing wrong in our eyes" (sorry if this is a misquote, but it's an approximation) . .. seems like something a parent would say if their teenager was a runaway!

I 100% agree that the abduction theory is a joke, in fact, it's what changed my opinion to the parents being guilty of Deorr's disappearance. But, a lot of the public have bought in to it, and have donated a lot of money (including some of our members) Vilt did a reenactment of how an abduction could have been done, billboards have been erected "find DeOrr ". Hopefully, with new evidence of VK gas-lighting the store clerk, no creep in a jeep, etc..., the public will see through the malarkey.

 

[Karinna]

Do you have a link to any sources that tell us exactly how much the PD questioned those four at the get-go? I wasn't aware that information had been released.

From what i have read on the case from msm the adults in this case were said to be co operating and SB found no reason at the time to find them to be suspicious. The parents even helped search for their missing child initially. I never said i knew how much they had been questioned, just that the cloud of suspicion wasn't on them initially and that has now changed for the parents as they have gone from being POI to suspects in recent developments.

 

[sonjay]

From what i have read on the case from msm the adults in this case were said to be co operating and SB found no reason at the time to find them to be suspicious. The parents even helped search for their missing child initially. I never said i knew how much they had been questioned, just that the cloud of suspicion wasn't on them initially and that has now changed for the parents as they have gone from being POI to suspects in recent developments.

"said to be cooperating" generally means they're being questioned, and answering those questions. We know now that they haven't been answering questions truthfully, but that's a different issue.

I find it an astonishing leap to conclude that they weren't questioned at the get-go. We also don't know how early the police did find them to be suspicious. LE often keeps things quiet, especially early on. They've apparently done a great deal of that in this case. For all we know, LE found them suspicious from the get-go, but simply didn't report those suspicions to the media.

 

[neesaki]

This is from the NAMUS page. These are the pajama bottoms he was wearing. I think he looks a lot younger in this picture. Do any of you? I'm asking because would he still have been able to wear these eight months ago? (I also don't think the birthmark picture is of him.)

He looks to me to be about 1 to 1 1/2 y/o there, definitely not 2 1/2. JMO

 

[kammiemc]

Thanks, yes i have been following and understand the parents have now been named suspects. Normally after LE name someone a "suspect" doesn't that usually follow through with charges?
As far as polys go they are unreliable and inadmissable in court. I certainly hope LE have more than that against the parents to call them suspects and consequently charge them?

No, it is not the case that people are usually immediately charged upon being named suspects. Sometimes, sure. But in many cases it takes a very long time for charges to be brought. SB explained why he would be taking his time.

I think we know just a tiny bit of what SB and the FBI know. He wouldn't tell us anything that could jeopardize the prosecution. I am not too worried about the admissibility of poly's, especially here since this isn't court. If its good enough for the FBI to say the parents are lying, it's good enough for me!


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[jessie]

Does anybody recall if there is any official record or word on when JMs mother arrived at the campsite? I recall her arrival being somewhere around 4:40 pm on Friday. That would indicate that JM texted or telephoned her mother prior to calling 911. I don't know about others, but if my child was missing, I wouldn't call my mother who is several hours away and can offer no solutions or help before calling 911.

I do know your comment describes an earlier text to her mother but it triggered the thought I have had for some time. It's always bothered me.

Hope it's OK persimmon but I'm sort of bumping this post as it intrigues me that JM's mother could get to the cg by 4.40 pm Friday.
Does anyone here remember this being spoken of, I have gone back to Thread #1, but haven't found it yet and it would be really important imo.

 

[menmo]

When it comes to great grandpa I do have to wonder if someone thinks throwing suspicion on him for DeOrr's disappearance is because he's old and frail and the justice system would never put him in prison for this.
To some people it seems everyone is dispensable.

I can't imagine the toll it's taken on RW or anyone not responsible or covering up for that matter.

Okay back to catching up.

JMO