ID - DeOrr Kunz, Jr., 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #27

[Inthedetails]

And if they were in a panic, which makes sense to me, it was probably the result of physical abuse, nothing premeditated. And no accident, or they wouldn't have gone to such lengths to cover it up. That poor baby. :cry:

My thoughts exactly.

JMOpinion

 

[neesaki]

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/07/private-investigator-issues-lengthy-report-deorr-kunz-case/[FONT=&amp]

From the report , regarding the hits by Sargent's dog, Chance:

Remember in IR's last interview he stated that VDR drove down to the cattle guard, he thought to look for little Deorr. Interesting that the dog hit near there, and the ground was loose.

2. 139 Feet East of the Cattle Guard in the camp ground – in a loose ground area.

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[FONT=&amp]Area 2 : Excavation was undertaken by LE and KIC – this area needs to be further exhumed and was turned over to Law Enforcement for further investigation by their team.[/FONT]

I'm unfamiliar with the term "beer distribution drive". I'm envisioning something like a run to the beer store or to the bar, but children aren't allowed in bars. Actually, it sounds more like someone delivered beer to them,
but surely that can't be right. :thinking:

[FONT=&amp]5. We have now, due to the testimony of all witnesses including store employees, clerks, beer distribution drives, fuel handlers, and credible witnesses that have given credible testimony, that we cannot find any person that saw the child go up to the mountain either the day of the event – or the evening before. We therefore are now moving our timeline of the event back to 5 p.m. of the day before the 911 call was made.[/FONT]

Is anyone aware of who it was that leaked information and what it was ? I'd really like to know.

[FONT=&amp]Lastly, we have opened an investigation on two Facebook administrators, as they have leaked information regarding the investigation only known to investigators on the case. [/FONT][FONT=&amp]We have made contact with the administrator but they will not return our call (s). We hope that the person will consider calling us as one piece of information they may have could break the case open. [/FONT]

 

[Mountaingazer]

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/07/private-investigator-issues-lengthy-report-deorr-kunz-case/[FONT=&amp]

From the report , regarding the hits by Sargent's dog, Chance:

Remember in IR's last interview he stated that VDR drove down to the cattle guard, he thought to look for little Deorr. Interesting that the dog hit near there, and the ground was loose.
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I'm unfamiliar with the term "beer distribution drive". I'm envisioning something like a run to the beer store or to the bar, but children aren't allowed in bars. Actually, it sounds more like someone delivered beer to them,
but surely that can't be right. :thinking:


Is anyone aware of who it was that leaked information and what it was ? I'd really like to know.

I think he might have left out an "r" and it's supposed to read "beer distribution drivers". I know that's an actual job and they might have been delivering to the store at the time of the family trip to the store.

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[white rabbit]

I don't disagree with much of what you said, butler. the 'report' really brought nothing forward, IMO. not to mention how poorly written said 'report' was. KIC needs a professional speechwriter, JMO.

cars and a jacket could've been found under a couch the landlord moved. items that the kunz's didn't even know were there. most kids have more than four matchbox cars if that's their 'thing'. perhaps KIC mentioned those items specifically only because DK and JM had mentioned them at the beginning of the case. maybe smoke & mirrors, maybe not. i'll wait until LE confirms any of this to assess its' relevance.

the eviction however, in addition to their history of debt collection in court, does eliminate (for me at least, echoing desertblue's last post) the insurance policy theory. puttin' that one in the pile with the wolf, alien, kidnapper, and bigfoot. MOO...

 

[Paulas88]

Unless there is a viable tip, or, DeOrr's body is found, this case is at a standstill. Items found at VDK/JM' apt, don't prove anything... even the camo coat can be explained away. IF the parents had something to do with, or, are covering up DeOrr's demise, they'll get away with it (IMO) the only thing left, is an award needs to be offered for information.

 

[neesaki]

Unless there is a viable tip, or, DeOrr's body is found, this case is at a standstill. Items found at VDK/JM' apt, don't prove anything... even the camo coat can be explained away. IF the parents had something to do with, or, are covering up DeOrr's demise, they'll get away with it (IMO) the only thing left, is an award needs to be offered for information.

I agree, it's pretty discouraging. I don't mind Klein using whatever tactics it takes to poke, prod, or shake those four people up. I know they're not criminal masterminds, but I get the impression of almost a cult like protect the pack mentality. I hope and pray something found will lead to the truth. I'm afraid we can't depend on any of the four to talk, but then maybe we'll have a miracle. Keep rattling the cage, that's what I say. Jmo

 

[Butler]

I don't disagree with much of what you said, butler. the 'report' really brought nothing forward, IMO. not to mention how poorly written said 'report' was. KIC needs a professional speechwriter, JMO.

cars and a jacket could've been found under a couch the landlord moved. items that the kunz's didn't even know were there. most kids have more than four matchbox cars if that's their 'thing'. perhaps KIC mentioned those items specifically only because DK and JM had mentioned them at the beginning of the case. maybe smoke & mirrors, maybe not. i'll wait until LE confirms any of this to assess its' relevance.

the eviction however, in addition to their history of debt collection in court, does eliminate (for me at least, echoing desertblue's last post) the insurance policy theory. puttin' that one in the pile with the wolf, alien, kidnapper, and bigfoot. MOO...

I agree they probably had poor financial skills but I tend to think the eviction may be related to the fact their child disappeared. They seem a bit paycheck to paycheck people and didn't have much set back for emergencies. In the beginning I'm sure they didn't work much and sometimes it only takes one lost paycheck to start the downhill roll.

IIRC it's been confirmed by LE that there wasn't an insurance policy on DeOrr.

 

[MsMarple]

Unless there is a viable tip, or, DeOrr's body is found, this case is at a standstill. Items found at VDK/JM' apt, don't prove anything... even the camo coat can be explained away. IF the parents had something to do with, or, are covering up DeOrr's demise, they'll get away with it (IMO) the only thing left, is an award needs to be offered for information.

And IMO, without a confession even if a body is found too much time has passed to determine a COD. In Lonzie Barton's case the coroner found broken ribs and a fractured skull yet s/he couldn't say whether those injuries were pre- or post- mortem. IMO Ebron and Lonna got away with an "accidental" death. I can see that happening here too.

 

[Butler]

I agree, it's pretty discouraging. I don't mind Klein using whatever tactics it takes to poke, prod, or shake those four people up. I know they're not criminal masterminds, but I get the impression of almost a cult like protect the pack mentality. I hope and pray something found will lead to the truth. I'm afraid we can't depend on any of the four to talk, but then maybe we'll have a miracle. Keep rattling the cage, that's what I say. Jmo

BBM
Even if it means there can't be a prosecution because of Klein's tactics? He has no legal standing in Idaho to bring a case for prosecution. Only the Lemhi County Prosecuting Attorney can do that. If any of those four are responsible for this I would like to see them prosecuted. Klein "reports" are going to make that difficult.

 

[Butler]

And IMO, without a confession even if a body is found too much time has passed to determine a COD. In Lonzie Barton's case the coroner found broken ribs and a fractured skull yet s/he couldn't say whether those injuries were pre- or post- mortem. IMO Ebron and Lonna got away with an "accidental" death. I can see that happening here too.

After all this time I doubt there is really much to be found, especially if he was out in the elements. That is a wilderness area with a lot of predator activity. I don't mean to be graphic but a small body doesn't stand a chance against bears, wolves, and other animals. DISCLAIMER***** I don't mean he was taken by an animal but after death his body may have been subject to animal activity.

 

[Dee10]

BBM
Even if it means there can't be a prosecution because of Klein's tactics? He has no legal standing in Idaho to bring a case for prosecution. Only the Lemhi County Prosecuting Attorney can do that. If any of those four are responsible for this I would like to see them prosecuted. Klein "reports" are going to make that difficult.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but I wonder what in particular you mean if one of the four is ever prosecuted, why would Klein's "reports" make that difficult? Are you worried about the jury pool?

 

[KatieLiz]

I think this new report just has me more confused . Klein seems to be saying that little Deorr was never at the campground alive, but due to a couple of hits by the dog, was there after he was deceased. If the whole camping trip was a ruse, a cover up for something that happened before the camping trip, then why would anyone take his body up there then report him missing, it doesn't make sense to me.

But nothing this crew does makes sense! They think they are a lot smarter than they are. MAYBE the scene in Leadore was to distract from the real crime scene in Idaho Falls or Snake River.

Just talking here (not saying I even believe myself), let's just say he was killed elsewhere and brought there. They attempted to dig to bury him (the area of disturbed ground), but couldn't dig deep enough or someone realized it looked obvious and he would be found quickly, so they moved him to a "holding location" (also mentioned), until say perhaps when grandpa and IR were allowed to leave and go get him?

Not even saying I believe this, just trying to think through the possibilities..

 

[KatieLiz]

These parents couldn't pay their rent and have numerous money judgments against them. My feeling is that they probably weren't responsible enough to obtain life insurance and consistently pay monthly premiums. A life insurance policy probably would have been mentioned by Klein by now too. I think it's highly unlikely. Just my thoughts.

Agreed. I didn't think they actually had one, I just wondered if they may have anything in their internet search history to indicate them having looked into the possibility of getting some.

 

[LookingForClues]

I wonder what campsite he is referring to as a "holding site" for a body. We know a family was at the other campsite to spread cremains of a loved one. If Klein is talking about this same campsite as the location where the cadaver dog had a "hit," then this probably doesn't have anything to do with little DeOrr. I hope they are talking about a different campsite, but we've only known about 2 at the reservoir.

I am also curious to know why Klein says he now only has info about little DeOrr being seen at 5 pm the night before the call to 911. This is the first I've heard about anyone seeing DeOrr at any given time. Our big question here has been: When is the last time we have a confirmed sighting of an alive DeOrr by someone who is not an immediate family member?

Oh, and camouflage jackets. I live in Northern Vermont. While I do not own any camo, friends and family do. If you are into wearing camo, you have multiple jackets, shirts, pants, etc., and so do your children! Everyone buys camo as gifts for each other. Little DeOrr had parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents and great-grandparents. Does anyone honestly believe he would have ONLY ONE camo jacket? I don't. So I hope this jacket Klein found is THE ONE little DeOrr was supposed to be wearing when he disappeared. Same goes for the Hot Wheels cars that Klein found.

I am eager to hear what LE has to say about this latest info from Klein. In the end, they are the ones who can get a case brought to justice. They are the ones who can tell us whether this information matters.

 

[LookingForClues]

Back in July 2015, when DeOrr originally disappeared, one of our members, byo, made a very helpful map. I thought I would repost it, since I had trouble finding a map earlier today.

DeOrr Case Map

Thank you, byo!

 

[neesaki]

BBM
Even if it means there can't be a prosecution because of Klein's tactics? He has no legal standing in Idaho to bring a case for prosecution. Only the Lemhi County Prosecuting Attorney can do that. If any of those four are responsible for this I would like to see them prosecuted. Klein "reports" are going to make that difficult.

I suppose if I heard Lemhi County complaining about it I might agree with you. No, Klein can't / wouldn't bring the case to prosecution, he's just a PI, and has already stated he turns over his information to LE. Sheriff B seems to be fine with that. I think he actually appreciates it, and no doubt he can use the extra help, IMO. I just don't see how it can harm the case, especially since it appears there's a limited chance there will be ever be a case. jmo

 

[neesaki]

But nothing this crew does makes sense! They think they are a lot smarter than they are. MAYBE the scene in Leadore was to distract from the real crime scene in Idaho Falls or Snake River.

Just talking here (not saying I even believe myself), let's just say he was killed elsewhere and brought there. They attempted to dig to bury him (the area of disturbed ground), but couldn't dig deep enough or someone realized it looked obvious and he would be found quickly, so they moved him to a "holding location" (also mentioned), until say perhaps when grandpa and IR were allowed to leave and go get him?

Not even saying I believe this, just trying to think through the possibilities..

Actually that's where my mind is going at this point as well, re: your bolded.

 

[Dee10]

Back in July 2015, when DeOrr originally disappeared, one of our members, byo, made a very helpful map. I thought I would repost it, since I had trouble finding a map earlier today.

DeOrr Case Map

Thank you for reposting & Byo for making the map.

Thank you, byo!

Thank you both! I had never heard of the cattle ? until I read KI's update. I am curious how Byo came to map that point as well others? Very Interesting!

ETA - How did IR know this? I haven't gone back to replay what he said... From roughly IR's (supposed or approx.) location could he personally witnessed this by sight or was it by being told???

 

[Midge Montana]

Has LE ever disputed anything Klein has put out there?

 

[boston5]

Regarding IR's repeated statements about seeing Deorr, although this has not been supported by any other outside witness, perhaps he was invited specifically because of any addictions he may have. IMO, I have been around people who are high, seriously they don't catch on to anything. IR was missing the day of the camping trip, this may be why? IDK, I'm trying to explain his remarks. He may have been told that Deorr was there and been told that he saw him, but his interview is so scattered. I'm not even sure he fully believes himself. Again, just MOO.