ID - DeOrr Kunz, Jr., 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #28

[Paulas88]

I wonder......What could possibly get either or both of the parents to talk and say what really happened...What causes people to crack? Thoughts?

What if they got arrested for something else, and charges were dropped for info?

 

[katydid23]

I wonder......What could possibly get either or both of the parents to talk and say what really happened...What causes people to crack? Thoughts?

Way too often, NOTHING can make them crack. Look at the cases of Haley Dunn, Dylan Redwine, and so many others, where the perps just keep their vile traps shut...

 

[boston5]

I wonder......What could possibly get either or both of the parents to talk and say what really happened...What causes people to crack? Thoughts?

What a great question! First, one would think the marriage of JMA would have had VK talking, if not that then the speculation from Klein that the relationship was going on before all of this. Also, one would think that the car accident would have got VK to talk. GGP's illness should have got him talking. And really, I don't know what to think of IR..


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[Paulas88]

What a great question! First, one would think the marriage of JMA would have had VK talking, if not that then the speculation from Klein that the relationship was going on before all of this. Also, one would think that the car accident would have got VK to talk. GGP's illness should have got him talking. And really, I don't know what to think of IR..


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What if.... JMA and new husband break-up, and he spills everything he knows?

 

[boston5]

What if.... JMA and new husband break-up, and he spills everything he knows?

I think he's naive. I'm not convinced he knows anything. JMO. I honestly don't know. But you could be completely right. I hope you are.


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[Hatfield]

Way too often, NOTHING can make them crack. Look at the cases of Haley Dunn, Dylan Redwine, and so many others, where the perps just keep their vile traps shut...

Yea it is sad isn't it.

The potential for a very long prison term can sure make people clam up.

It usually takes either LE to find enough evidence to charge them, find the actual body, or some other witness to come forward and be willing to testify against them.

Anything short of that and this could be a long wait for justice.

 

[observation]

I wonder......What could possibly get either or both of the parents to talk and say what really happened...What causes people to crack? Thoughts?

Put them in jail for obstructing justice and I bet we might hear the right story, JMHO


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[neesaki]

I imagine it would be pretty torturous in your mind, to know your guilty and feel the weight of LE closing in. The pressure and paranoia, always watching your back, trying to keep your stories and lies straight. Trying to keep up appearances... That would drive me insane

Oh yes indeed, just imagine, the fear, the paranoia, of every waking moment, of every single day. You thought you were so cunning, you believed you had everyone fooled. Well, why not, you can lie so well. But then, in the recesses of your mind, it nags at you, and you know you forgot something, some seemingly innocuous little nothing. And then you wonder, and that wonder turns into fear, and that fear becomes torture. And then the paranoia becomes all encompassing. Not just for a moment, not just for a day, nor just for a week, or even a month. It goes on, and on, and on and on....... To the point you are living in fear every moment of your life. You're wondering from one moment to the next, when they're going to show up at your door in the wee hours of the morning with handcuffs.

 

[TeaTime]

I think the marriage of JMA will bring about a confession. The parents no longer feel any allegiance to the other and this leads me to believe that the person who caused the death is VK, otherwise, JMA would never have left him for fear he would expose her.

 

[The Apparition]

I think the marriage of JMA will bring about a confession. The parents no longer feel any allegiance to the other and this leads me to believe that the person who caused the death is VK, otherwise, JMA would never have left him for fear he would expose her.

I have to disagree most respectfully. I think both parents are in, that's why Jessica can marry and have no fear. Whatever happened both of these lizard people are responsible or they would've turned on each other months ago. I attribute GGP's allegiance to Jessica, he won't talk since to damn Vernal is to damn his own blood. Personally I imagine Issac as being truly innocent and also high/drunk as a and that's why his testimony isn't being used right now to make arrests. Per her own words he woke up and went back to sleep for hours, sounds like he was partying and needed to sleep off the effects.

 

[Groundwork]

A normal parent, with normal emotions, would be expected to have had certain emotional reactions to the death/loss of a child, even if that parent caused the death/loss (either intentionally or accidentally). Although I accept that we do not know the details of what goes on behind the scenes of these parents' lives, the parts we have been exposed to show a significant lack of attachment to their baby. Even if one of them did purposely cause baby Deorr's death, if they had any attachment to him at all, there would be some obvious suffering around the loss of an intense and meaningful relationship. If they didn't cause his disappearance, there would be indicators of overwhelming grief, fear, desperation, loss, guilt, anger, loneliness, etc. No matter the circumstances, the death/loss of a young child is a debilitating blow to a normal parent.

Also disturbing is that if someone cannot attach to their own child, that person most certainly cannot truly attach to a friend or spouse. If I were in either of their lives, I would get out; without that option (if they were in my family for example), I would take drastic measures to protect myself from the constant threat of being hurt and humiliated. How incredibly lonely it would be in a relationship with someone who literally does not care about the other person at all. Lonely and, to be honest, terrifying.

This all being said, I think the only way JM will confess is with an opposite approach than what is happening now. I think she needs to feel like she was the real victim here; like someone understands how difficult her life has been, how whatever happened was absolutely beyond her control or, if done on purpose, was totally understandable. Someone must convince her that they know how terribly unfair things have been for her since this all happened and they deeply admire her ability to persevere in the face of overwhelming adversity. Poor Jessica; if only we could all be so brave.

In my opinion, JM doesn't care if someone is mad at her or if her behavior is torturing her family; without attachment to anyone else, she will not do anything out of compassion or guilt.

I think it's going to take a somewhat similar approach with VK. He might not require as much coddling, but I think he will respond best to someone who approaches him as the unassuming hero in this sordid tale. The person needs to convince VK that they recognize and appreciate that he had to do this, that and the other in order to protect JM, whose manipulative spell has only recently been broken. I mean, aw shucks, even though she rejected and embarrased him in front of the whole country, all DK still wants is JM to be happy. In my opinion, he will drop his defenses once everyone realizes he is just an honest and sweet-natured good-ole-boy with good intentions who naively left his son with a trusted adult.


All of this jabber is my humble opinion only.

 

[white rabbit]

completely agree, apparition...and great post, groundwork. has a rabbit thinking for sure...

 

[Onebest]

I have to disagree most respectfully. I think both parents are in, that's why Jessica can marry and have no fear. Whatever happened both of these lizard people are responsible or they would've turned on each other months ago. I attribute GGP's allegiance to Jessica, he won't talk since to damn Vernal is to damn his own blood. Personally I imagine Issac as being truly innocent and also high/drunk as a and that's why his testimony isn't being used right now to make arrests. Per her own words he woke up and went back to sleep for hours, sounds like he was partying and needed to sleep off the effects.

Interesting post! I often wonder if there is a possibility that IR drank to black out stage with a little help from his friends.... in an attempt to make him into a witness of sorts with no brain, just a mouth to say what they wanted him to say. Just speculating and wondering.....

 

[Paulas88]

I think the marriage of JMA will bring about a confession. The parents no longer feel any allegiance to the other and this leads me to believe that the person who caused the death is VK, otherwise, JMA would never have left him for fear he would expose her.

Yes, I thought the same.

 

[neesaki]

Interesting post! I often wonder if there is a possibility that IR drank to black out stage with a little help from his friends.... in an attempt to make him into a witness of sorts with no brain, just a mouth to say what they wanted him to say. Just speculating and wondering.....

I've thought the same thing. I also think it's highly possible there was more than alcohol involved, IMO.

 

[neesaki]

FYI, Klein has posted another public statement on his FB, nothing to do directly / specifically with Deorrs case, though it is mentioned, but to do with that CD person.

 

[ReadySet]

I agree that Jessica Mitchell Anderson and Vernal Deorr Kunz need to be called out, if that's what some are doing here, and I'm right there with you. They were responsible for their 2 year old baby, whether they were up at TimberCreek or somewhere else. He depended on them to protect him and keep him safe from harm. That was their number one job. They failed their little boy, and now he is lost.

 

[0101ABA]

Websleuths' rules doesn't allow discussion of religion (unless it is known to be an important factor in the case). Members can speculate, generally, that religion MAY be a factor, but please don't get into discussing the specifics of any certain religion and/or their belief systems.

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[wenwe4]

I keep thinking something is going to break very soon. I hope there is justice for this little boy.

 

[KatieLiz]

Klein posted a video of ggp on his FB page talking about IR. can't post link from my iPhone app.