ID - DeOrr Kunz, Jr., 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #28

[Leader6518]

We can only go on what LE tells us they all said, their statements to the press and what we have learned from investigators. They said they left him with GGP. We have learned that they claim to not have known IR before the trip so they can't possibly then say 'we left him with a responsible adult' and mean IR whom they didn't know at all.

And, even IF they knew IR before, it makes no sense that the parents would pat him on the back and say "it's ok, we know you didn't mean to kill our son, crap happens. We'll cover for you by telling so many stories and praising rescurers that don't find that child, and never saying his name so he isn't real to anyone". If I didn't know where my baby was, I would never rest. The fact that they both have moved on tells me they know where he is and had their little ceremony for him when they disposed of him.

 

[carbuff]

BTW, I do understand and appreciate how you seem to be giving them the benefit of the doubt. I actually tried for a long time to do that. Remember ? The mountain lion discussions ? Well, that was me.
At this point though, I'm having a really hard time believing the parents are completely innocent.

So, that said, I realize there are possibilities that regardless how small, are still possible. Such as:

- there is a small chance that some person stalked them and abducted little Deorr, while they were being their usual neglectful selves. Yes, I said that.
- maybe IR passed him off to someone.
- maybe GGP did something, accident or otherwise
- a mountain lion or wolf took him... Probably not, but I can't totally let it go, not yet. :blush:

Is there any other scenarios you have in mind ? I am in brainstorm mode.

My comment wasn't giving him the benefit of any doubt this time; grief and guilt go together and he might well react the same way whether or not he participated in the crime or coverup.

Right now I'm inclined to a "I sacrificed everything for our love and she rejected me for it" scenario, but that's this month. Ask me again and I'll have a different answer.

I knew a woman who was kidnapped from a campground by someone who had been stalking her for some time, so I don't think the stalker scenario, or even random crime, is out of the question. Vanishingly rare but it does happen.

There's also the possibility that he did just wander off, and all the bizarre behavior is because everybody thinks somebody else is guilty.





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[Leader6518]

Klein already posted a video from this same interview on July 7th, so that rules out after the Q&A. Besides that, there's no way that the interview is from anytime after they fired Klein, which was late Feb. or early March (IIRC). His lawyer would never allow that.

So, if the interview was before Klein came out with the DNA news, does that imply guilty knowledge of what happened? The mind knows what it knows and if covering up the truth, would naturally try to make an excuse for what it knows.

 

[ZooSleuth]

So, if the interview was before Klein came out with the DNA news, does that imply guilty knowledge of what happened? The mind knows what it knows and if covering up the truth, would naturally try to make an excuse for what it knows.

I would bet that VDK was aware of it prior to the interview or he at least knew they took evidence off the truck prior to the interview.

 

[Paulas88]

I now think VDK indirectly told us what happened! The truck backed up over him, just as many of you have speculated. But wouldn't that still be an accident? Unless, they had been drinking or using a drug.

 

[Onebest]

I am right with you sillybilly. I have never referred to any of my children as "that". I always refer to my son I lost by his name or my son. The only time I have ever referred to my children or grandchildren as "that child" is before they were born and I was talking in general "That baby will be spoiled" because I had'nt held or seen him/her yet. My own children, were always my baby, my son or their name.

The Anthony's used "that little girl" because they both new she was deceased from the time they found the car with the smell of a dead body in it. They were distancing themselves from a deceased child.

Sorry, I know I am way behind, but there are some things that I feel very strongly about and losing a child, and the feelings associated with it, is at the top of my list. The feeling of loss of a child can not be faked. It is either there or it isn't; and only someone who has been there would spot the fake feelings immediately. I hate to hear people say "everyone grieves differently". That is not accurate. Everyone grieves the same. What is different is the order of cycles and the intensity of each cycle in the grief process. My husband went straight to the anger phase, I went straight to the denial phase and remained in it for a month. I didn't experience anger for over six months. That is the difference. Everyone will experience the cycles of grief and will act accordingly. Grief is grief. Some people are more private than others, but no one can hide their feelings of grief. Not even with the use of anti-depressants.

I am so sorry you lost your precious son. Thank you for sharing your opinions based on your personal experience. I respect and appreciate your thoughts on baby Deoor's case and how parents may be affected by such painful grief. At least the ones that feel it as deeply as we would imagine a loving Mommy and Daddy would. May your heart find a small measure of comfort knowing your words of wisdom help.

 

[ZooSleuth]

I now think VDK indirectly told us what happened! The truck backed up over him, just as many of you have speculated. But wouldn't that still be an accident? Unless, they had been drinking or using a drug.

Ya, I don't think Klein just released this video to show us a random story VDK told about the morning. Obviously there is more behind this truck story. Keep the videos coming Klein!

 

[Cardinal47]

Maybe VDK has reached his breaking point. Klein never let's up. He just might solve this one with the confessions of what really happened to DeOrr.

 

[Elle*Bee]

Not directed to anyone in particular but just an anecdote from my (former LE) husband: in his experience, the more irrelevant, extraneous details added to a story = the greater the deception.

That tidbit came in handy as a mother. Mine are good kids, but when they did feel the need to cover up something, they fell into three camps: 1) the one who'll lie and then *immediately* confess (my oldest; wish VDK was like this), 2) the one who will come up with the most implausible story and stick to it (my middle) and 3) the over-explainer (my youngest).

 

[Deleted member 278]

He got soot on his arm so I guess he wasn't wearing his camo jacket at 8-10 a.m. but was wearing it later in the day when it warmed up. Craziness.

 

[The Apparition]

Not directed to anyone in particular but just an anecdote from my (former LE) husband: in his experience, the more irrelevant, extraneous details added to a story = the greater the deception.

That tidbit came in handy as a mother. Mine are good kids, but when they did feel the need to cover up something, they fell into three camps: 1) the one who'll lie and then *immediately* confess (my oldest; wish VDK was like this), 2) the one who will come up with the most implausible story and stick to it (my middle) and 3) the over-explainer (my youngest).

Very true, the devil's in the details as they say.

 

[mommylicious]

He got soot on his arm so I guess he wasn't wearing his camo jacket at 8-10 a.m. but was wearing it later in the day when it warmed up. Craziness.

Not sure I believe nothing they've said at this point, but nice catch!

 

[Karinna]

I am right with you sillybilly. I have never referred to any of my children as "that". I always refer to my son I lost by his name or my son. The only time I have ever referred to my children or grandchildren as "that child" is before they were born and I was talking in general "That baby will be spoiled" because I had'nt held or seen him/her yet. My own children, were always my baby, my son or their name.

The Anthony's used "that little girl" because they both new she was deceased from the time they found the car with the smell of a dead body in it. They were distancing themselves from a deceased child.

Sorry, I know I am way behind, but there are some things that I feel very strongly about and losing a child, and the feelings associated with it, is at the top of my list. The feeling of loss of a child can not be faked. It is either there or it isn't; and only someone who has been there would spot the fake feelings immediately. I hate to hear people say "everyone grieves differently". That is not accurate. Everyone grieves the same. What is different is the order of cycles and the intensity of each cycle in the grief process. My husband went straight to the anger phase, I went straight to the denial phase and remained in it for a month. I didn't experience anger for over six months. That is the difference. Everyone will experience the cycles of grief and will act accordingly. Grief is grief. Some people are more private than others, but no one can hide their feelings of grief. Not even with the use of anti-depressants.

To Sillybilly & Leader, I am so sorry for the losses of your children, . I too am a bereaved parent of two adult children, and i agree the pain of the loss of a child is the worst heartache a parent can endure. We never get over it we learn to live with it and it is always just below the surface. It also feels like a huge injustice.
I don't claim to know what happened to Deorr, but i know a missing possibly/probably deceased child would also be a dreadful heartache, never knowing if they are really alive or dead, and not really being able to grieve properly if there was some chance that a missing child is still alive. I can't imagine that and wouldn't want to.
I will wait until there is concrete evidence that VDK & JMA had something to do with this crime, because at the moment i just don't know what to think about it all? And i agree by not mentioning a beloved child's name, big red flag for me.

 

[neesaki]

He got soot on his arm so I guess he wasn't wearing his camo jacket at 8-10 a.m. but was wearing it later in the day when it warmed up. Craziness.

Everything he says comes out sounding like he's just spinning a yarn, a tall tale. Except it's not entertaining.

 

[Makara]

Everything he says comes out sounding like he's just spinning a yarn, a tall tale. Except it's not entertaining.

I agree neesaki. And the thing is, he is really into believing his own lies. After seeing the latest video of VK, I'm more convinced than ever that he is lying and knows exactly what happened to little DeOrr.

 

[Makara]

He got soot on his arm so I guess he wasn't wearing his camo jacket at 8-10 a.m. but was wearing it later in the day when it warmed up. Craziness.

Excellent point.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

He should have got one before he went on the trip.... (just kidding)

.... but he trusted grandpa and that was his fault, possibly. Grandpa did know whom to take with him to the mysterious "fishing trip" - exactly him and noone else. IMO (today).

 

[Deleted member 102539]

"I like playing with him you know little games". That little bit of information in DK's latest interview seems so out of place, sandwiched between his story. He reminds me of the dog in the movie Up. Squirrel!

I didn't hear the interview but my first thought is: maybe he liked to play little dangerous games??

 

[Paulas88]

.... but he trusted grandpa and that was his fault, possibly. Grandpa did know whom to take with him to the mysterious "fishing trip" - exactly him and noone else. IMO (today).

Interesting how IR was led away from the CG when parents returned from store, right before the "DeOrr is missing ruse".

 

[neesaki]

Interesting how IR was led away from the CG when parents returned from store, right before the "DeOrr is missing ruse".

And in IR's words, he thought VDK and little Deorr were following but they didn't, they stayed / lagged behind. And then the question, was little Deorr even there ?

I also think it's a great point brought up earlier by rocket, if little Deorr was wearing a camo jacket, he would have had it on in the morning as that's when it's coolest. Which also doesn't fit with him sticking his arm up the tailpipe and getting black with soot. That sounds like a really strange thing for a kid to do anyway, IMO.