ID - DeOrr Kunz, Jr., 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #28

[Deleted member 718]

http://www.postregister.com/article...09/09/deorr’s-family-sues-former-investigator

September 9, 2016 6:11 p.m.

By TOM HOLM
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The family of missing 3-year-old DeOrr Kunz Jr. has filed a breach of contract lawsuit against the private investigator hired to find their son.

Vernal DeOrr Kunz and Jessica Mitchell are suing Texas agency Klein Investigations and Consulting. Vernal DeOrr Kunz’s father, Dennis DeOrr Kunz, is also a plaintiff on the suit.

The family fired Philip Klein, CEO of the private investigation agency, after he publicly claimed Vernal Kunz and Mitchell were involved in the disappearance of their son.

The suit was filed Tuesday by attorney Allen Browning of Idaho Falls.

 

[Inthedetails]

I can't help but think that they aren't exactly the sharpest tools in the shed for suing Klein, if that's the case. If they choose to do that, won't all of the evidence be fair game in discovery? I'm far from an attorney, but what are they thinking? What is their LAWYER thinking?

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I'm thinking the same thing....

 

[DatelineFan]

I'm thinking the same thing....

I should have added that I'm happy to see them put themselves in that position. I just can't believe they think it would benefit them in any way!

 

[Inthedetails]

I should have added that I'm happy to see them put themselves in that position. I just can't believe they think it would benefit them in any way!

And again, I'm thinking the same thing.

 

[DatelineFan]

One more thing about the possible lawsuit is, I wonder if they're delusional enough to think Klein will settle.

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[Inthedetails]

One more thing about the possible lawsuit is, I wonder if they're delusional enough to think Klein will settle.

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Hmmm....now that I didn't think of.

 

[charminglane]

One more thing about the possible lawsuit is, I wonder if they're delusional enough to think Klein will settle.

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Well they were batshit delusional to think we would fall for the camping trip multiple stories of where in the hello their son is.

 

[DatelineFan]

Well they were batshit delusional to think we would fall for the camping trip multiple stories of where in the hello their son is.

Hahaha!!! EXACTLY!

 

[katydid23]

from link above:


"The lawsuit contends that Klein Investigations breached its “ethical duties of confidentiality,” by speaking publicly about the progress of the case as well as alleging that some of the information given was false.

Lemhi County Sheriff Lynn Bowerman has said the toddler’s parents are suspects in the case.

The lawsuit said Klein spoke with numerous local and national media agencies claiming the parents were complicit in their son’s murder. The lawsuit said periodic updates on Klein’s Facebook page about the case breached the contract the parents had with Klein in “an egregious fashion.”

The components of the contract included locating and returning DeOrr and his abductor as well as assisting local, state and federal law enforcement, the lawsuit said."


Just in general, if they hired an investigator, and the investigator came up with a conclusion that clashed with the family that hired him, does that mean he is in a breach of contract? Also, does an investigator have an 'ethical duty of confidentiality?' I know that Lawyers and Doctors do. But do investigators?

 

[Elle*Bee]

Nothing to see here, I agree with you! Your line of thought was and is valid, if the control group is predominately made up of one gender than they would be over-represented in all manner of statistics. I was more addressing my musings to another poster who said basically Facebook is filled with venomous women's comments. I think THAT statement was wrong as I've seen some pretty ornery comments from the men folk as well. I fall back on my original estimates probably more women are interested in missing children but no one gender has a monopoly on interest. That original comment (not yours) falls under the category of "sideshow" to quote Klein, in my opinion.

Gotcha! Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Elle*Bee]

from link above:


"The lawsuit contends that Klein Investigations breached its “ethical duties of confidentiality,” by speaking publicly about the progress of the case as well as alleging that some of the information given was false.

Lemhi County Sheriff Lynn Bowerman has said the toddler’s parents are suspects in the case.

The lawsuit said Klein spoke with numerous local and national media agencies claiming the parents were complicit in their son’s murder. The lawsuit said periodic updates on Klein’s Facebook page about the case breached the contract the parents had with Klein in “an egregious fashion.”

The components of the contract included locating and returning DeOrr and his abductor as well as assisting local, state and federal law enforcement, the lawsuit said."


[Just in general, if they hired an investigator, and the investigator came up with a conclusion that clashed with the family that hired him, does that mean he is in a breach of contract? Also, does an investigator have an 'ethical duty of confidentiality?' I know that Lawyers and Doctors do. But do investigators?[/BM]

Good point. IIRC, though, Klein said from the onset that he'd go whether the evidence led him (in other words, he's north covering for anyone). I don't think PIs are bound by the same rules as attorneys or doctors. Anyone else care to weigh in?

 

[neesaki]

Can someone local please go and honeytrap Isaac and Grandpa? I feel like the only way this will get properly resolved is if one of them spills. Just a few beers and a bit of flattery should do it. Go on, take one for the team...

:hilarious::laughing::laughing::toast:

If I lived there I would totally do it! Lmao

Hey, I'm right there with both of ya! :toast:

 

[neesaki]

One more thing about the possible lawsuit is, I wonder if they're delusional enough to think Klein will settle.

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I see it as nothing more than an intimidation tactic. Let them waste their money ... cough, cough... their attorney's money / time. I guarantee he wont' put much time into it if they're not paying him, or for what little they're paying him. It's quite easy to write a letter and file a suit. It's what happens after that that matters. Interesting to see where this goes, or doesn't go.

 

[neesaki]

from link above:


"The lawsuit contends that Klein Investigations breached its “ethical duties of confidentiality,” by speaking publicly about the progress of the case as well as alleging that some of the information given was false.

Lemhi County Sheriff Lynn Bowerman has said the toddler’s parents are suspects in the case.

The lawsuit said Klein spoke with numerous local and national media agencies claiming the parents were complicit in their son’s murder. The lawsuit said periodic updates on Klein’s Facebook page about the case breached the contract the parents had with Klein in “an egregious fashion.”

The components of the contract included locating and returning DeOrr and his abductor as well as assisting local, state and federal law enforcement, the lawsuit said."


Just in general, if they hired an investigator, and the investigator came up with a conclusion that clashed with the family that hired him, does that mean he is in a breach of contract? Also, does an investigator have an 'ethical duty of confidentiality?' I know that Lawyers and Doctors do. But do investigators?

But this was addressed quite a while back by Klein, at which time IIRC, he stated it was in the contract that he would come forth with whatever information was gathered, regardless. I don't get how they're now bringing it up again.

 

[KatieLiz]

I can't help but think that they aren't exactly the sharpest tools in the shed for suing Klein, if that's the case. If they choose to do that, won't all of the evidence be fair game in discovery? I'm far from an attorney, but what are they thinking? What is their LAWYER thinking?

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I don't see how this could hold up. Weren't all of Klein's statements made AFTER Kunz released Klein from the contract? Wouldn't that make him no longer bound by its terms?

Also- they were names suspects by police... yet they are whining about Klein casting them as suspects? This seems like a frivolous distraction to try to get people back on their side. "Oh if they're willing to sue they MUST be innocent." No .. but I think they are confident that Deorr is well hidden.

 

[The Apparition]

Moderately informed opinion warning:

They can file any and all kinds of lawsuits, it doesn't mean it's going to court. In filings it's pretty much a free for all; they can say what they want. If, and I a mean huge if, this comes to a trial they would certainly be subject to rules of discovery among other things. This is typically the behavior of the rich to pay to muddy the waters, but there is more than enough name "value" attached to this group of murderers to get a civil attorney on the case for recovery only (high profile exposure). They won't win but a small subset of society, like the Facebook haters will seize upon this as a victory and continue to haunt various websites. Fun to talk about but about as lasting as a fart into a stiff breeze, "who stepped on a duck"?

 

[Vail]

I have every confidence any contract Klein had them sign was worded in a way that protects him in situations exactly like this. His duty is to uncover the truth about the victim and hand over whatever he finds to LE, and he has done that. He has a right as a private citizen to say whatever he wants on Facebook at this point...

 

[Mountaingazer]

Good point. IIRC, though, Klein said from the onset that he'd go whether the evidence led him (in other words, he's north covering for anyone). I don't think PIs are bound by the same rules as attorneys or doctors. Anyone else care to weigh in?

It would be decided state by state, and seeing as Idaho doesn't even require a PI to have a license, I doubt they have a code of ethics developed to regulate the profession there.

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[neesaki]

Moderately informed opinion warning:

They can file any and all kinds of lawsuits, it doesn't mean it's going to court. In filings it's pretty much a free for all; they can say what they want. If, and I a mean huge if, this comes to a trial they would certainly be subject to rules of discovery among other things. This is typically the behavior of the rich to pay to muddy the waters, but there is more than enough name "value" attached to this group of murderers to get a civil attorney on the case for recovery only (high profile exposure). They won't win but a small subset of society, like the Facebook haters will seize upon this as a victory and continue to haunt various websites. Fun to talk about but about as lasting as a fart into a stiff breeze, "who stepped on a duck"?

Now I'm beginning to believe that some of this family could be connected to the cult, FLDS. That's a group that not only ignores the law but believes they're above it. That would be some experienced backing for someone trying to cover up a crime involving a little Deorr, wouldn't it? FLDS reminds me of little Deorr's family the way they flaunt and defy the law. I did find that there are some Kunz connections to FLDS as did another poster earlier in the thread, IIRC. I think it's ok to bring this up because it's actually not a religion, it's a cult. As in Warren Jeffs who is now in a Texas prison.

 

[SubtleGrace]

I can't help but think that they aren't exactly the sharpest tools in the shed for suing Klein, if that's the case. If they choose to do that, won't all of the evidence be fair game in discovery? I'm far from an attorney, but what are they thinking? What is their LAWYER thinking?

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Reminds me of Terry Hobbs and the Pasdar lawsuit.