ID - DeOrr Kunz, Jr., 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #28

[neesaki]

I think this is in reference to a long comment made by Klein admins under the clip and following a post by a person with initials DS.

Thanks to you Onebest, I found it. They mention the "Anderson side of the family". Isn't that who JM married ? Why would they mention them? Speculations? TIA

 

[CoverMeCagney]

@Mods, can we post Klein's comment from his page? (since it has come from them), it's quite long and interesting.

 

[bessie]

@Mods, can we post Klein's comment from his page? (since it has come from them), it's quite long and interesting.

You can post the comment. Remember to include the link.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Thank you, Bessie. This is from yesterday's post, and in response to CJ's comment beginning "I'm sorry, but Klein, you're all over the place"

Since day one we have come into this cold. We did not and have not sided with anyone but this child. We did an independent investigation which is truth be told - LE wasn't too happy about. The family as well - as we made sure that everyone understood we were not hired to be defense investigators nor assist law enforcement. Anything other is simply silly made up spin. After our independent investigation we presented our first set of findings to both the Family and LE. The evidence was there was no signs of kidnapping, there was no signs of animal attack, and that we were investigating a death case which there was evidence to such. Post that - we started the next phase which was recreation, timelines, interviews on history of the family and those there at the camp ground. We compared our findings with LE and it seemed that our investigation was in the same place. Our problem is, continues to be, and focuses on, why do both parents continue to tell us 5 different stories, why they manipulate the facts, and frankly tell us stories that when we go back to verify - they never happened? Now to your question regarding why we make public or film snips - because the public needs to know. From the media who continues to get spun (in our opinion) to LE and PSB that all we want is the truth - that is it - just the straight up what happened truth - with no more spin or flat out misstatements - then we can all move this case along. The public paid for the investigation - not the Kiunz family. Now let us say this as well - there are some wonderful people in the Kunz family. Caring, loving, and concerned. Equally there are some wonderful people in the Anderson side of the family. Again, loving caring. As well the community. The lawsuit will be adjudicated and when the evidence starts to flow it might take some of you aback. We have done nothing wrong - Mr. Klein has done nothing wrong - we are all okay and the greatest thing we have going for us is the truth - evidence - and most of all our want to represent one person only - that is little DeOrr. We fully get these ladies are packed with emotion - we do not blame them - as there are a few in our office that have shed some tears after we brought this case together. We would be overwhelmed with joy if there was one ounce of evidence that Little DeOrr was alive. We would be giddy if we were wrong on our theory and suspects. But that is not where the evidence has us. Lastly, we again ask all of you to pray for the missing and their families. Idaho will get through this - and we pledge to be part of the answer. Equally maybe it is time for many of you to take a step back and stop hurting each other. We get speculation - but stop attacking each other. Give your opinion - and then counter it. It is your 1st Amendment right to say what you want - we believe in that - and it will be shown over the next months. But before you hit send - think about it. Blessings to all of you on behalf of Mr. Klein and all of us here at KIC.

https://www.facebook.com/KleinInvestigations/?fref=ts

 

[Karinna]

Wonder if its at all possible JA handed Deorr to someone else for safekeeping? She was going around with her new husband at some stage while still with VK obviously. You don't just up & marry someone out of the blue. She must of known she was going to leave DK under those circumstances. She already lost her other children to an ex. So she marries a new guy and probably wants to play happy family with him and maybe Deorr? She can't have anymore children because she had her tubes done. Just a thought. Could be her outward appearance of fake grieving over Deorr too that we have seen in interviews.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Wonder if its at all possible JA handed Deorr to someone else for safekeeping? She was going around with her new husband at some stage while still with VK obviously. You don't just up & marry someone out of the blue. She must of known she was going to leave DK under those circumstances. She already lost her other children to an ex. So she marries a new guy and probably wants to play happy family with him and maybe Deorr? She can't have anymore children because she had her tubes done. Just a thought. Could be her outward appearance of fake grieving over Deorr too that we have seen in interviews.

I had this thought too, especially when I saw Klein mentioned "there are some wonderful people in the Anderson family". Why would Klein even be dealing with any of them if they only met Jessica after the event? Yes, it could be that Jessica knew she was leaving Vernal for Anderson, could be she feared losing another child, could be it was decided to whisk DeOrr away somewhere she could still see him. It's wishful thinking and I very much doubt it's the case but there'd be no better ending than to find he is in hiding but alive and well.

Things that make you go hmmmmm.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I'm repeating my earlier post in paragraphs, mainly because it's giving me a headache reading it, starting to see things that aren't there lol!

Thank you, Bessie. This is from yesterday's post, and in response to CJ's comment beginning "I'm sorry, but Klein, you're all over the place"

"Since day one we have come into this cold. We did not and have not sided with anyone but this child. We did an independent investigation which is truth be told - LE wasn't too happy about. The family as well - as we made sure that everyone understood we were not hired to be defense investigators nor assist law enforcement. Anything other is simply silly made up spin.

After our independent investigation we presented our first set of findings to both the Family and LE. The evidence was there was no signs of kidnapping, there was no signs of animal attack, and that we were investigating a death case which there was evidence to such. Post that - we started the next phase which was recreation, timelines, interviews on history of the family and those there at the camp ground. We compared our findings with LE and it seemed that our investigation was in the same place. Our problem is, continues to be, and focuses on, why do both parents continue to tell us 5 different stories, why they manipulate the facts, and frankly tell us stories that when we go back to verify - they never happened?

Now to your question regarding why we make public or film snips - because the public needs to know. From the media who continues to get spun (in our opinion) to LE and PSB that all we want is the truth - that is it - just the straight up what happened truth - with no more spin or flat out misstatements - then we can all move this case along.

The public paid for the investigation - not the Kiunz family. Now let us say this as well - there are some wonderful people in the Kunz family. Caring, loving, and concerned. Equally there are some wonderful people in the Anderson side of the family. Again, loving caring. As well the community. The lawsuit will be adjudicated and when the evidence starts to flow it might take some of you aback. We have done nothing wrong - Mr. Klein has done nothing wrong - we are all okay and the greatest thing we have going for us is the truth - evidence - and most of all our want to represent one person only - that is little DeOrr. We fully get these ladies are packed with emotion - we do not blame them - as there are a few in our office that have shed some tears after we brought this case together. We would be overwhelmed with joy if there was one ounce of evidence that Little DeOrr was alive. We would be giddy if we were wrong on our theory and suspects. But that is not where the evidence has us.

Lastly, we again ask all of you to pray for the missing and their families. Idaho will get through this - and we pledge to be part of the answer. Equally maybe it is time for many of you to take a step back and stop hurting each other. We get speculation - but stop attacking each other. Give your opinion - and then counter it. It is your 1st Amendment right to say what you want - we believe in that - and it will be shown over the next months. But before you hit send - think about it. Blessings to all of you on behalf of Mr. Klein and all of us here at KIC"

https://www.facebook.com/KleinInvestigations/?fref=ts

 

[Karinna]

I had this thought too, especially when I saw Klein mentioned "there are some wonderful people in the Anderson family". Why would Klein even be dealing with any of them if they only met Jessica after the event? Yes, it could be that Jessica knew she was leaving Vernal for Anderson, could be she feared losing another child, could be it was decided to whisk DeOrr away somewhere she could still see him. It's wishful thinking and I very much doubt it's the case but there'd be no better ending than to find he is in hiding but alive and well.

Things that make you go hmmmmm.

Definitely things that make you go hmmm... And i would think JA definitely knew she was leaving VK. A woman who is very much in love with her partner doesn't just suddenly marry someone else. I would think that relationship was happening at least for a few months. VK was a long haul trucker and they spend a lot of time away from home driving i would think, so perhaps JA found that to be a difficult life for herself raising little Deorr without much help. I don't think she was happy in love with him somehow. JMO.
And yes, i would prefer that Deorr is somewhere & fine, rather than the alternative that he laying out there somewhere deceased. So as you say probably just wishful thinking.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Definitely things that make you go hmmm... And i would think JA definitely knew she was leaving VK. A woman who is very much in love with her partner doesn't just suddenly marry someone else. I would think that relationship was happening at least for a few months. VK was a long haul trucker and they spend a lot of time away from home driving i would think, so perhaps JA found that to be a difficult life for herself raising little Deorr without much help. I don't think she was happy in love with him somehow. JMO.
And yes, i would prefer that Deorr is somewhere & fine, rather than the alternative that he laying out there somewhere deceased. So as you say probably just wishful thinking.

All that said though, there has been zero indication from LE or Klein that DeOrr is still alive, in fact quite the opposite.

So, what if there WAS an accident/incident before or during the trip, and one parent IS responsible, but that parent knows something really terrible about the other parent, and so there is a pact of silence? Would a deep, dark, dreadful secret be enough to gel Vernal & Jessica together in this? To lie about Deorr's disappearance in order to keep an older secret hidden? I would love to hear what they think of each other these days.

 

[Mountaingazer]

I think the "Anderson Family" is just badly worded and they are referring to Jessica's family by her new last name rather than Mitchell. Almost everyone in her immediate family has a different last name, so it's probably just easier to refer to them all by her last name.

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[Onebest]

Thanks to you Onebest, I found it. They mention the "Anderson side of the family". Isn't that who JM married ? Why would they mention them? Speculations? TIA

Prob just because its JMs family now by marriage....I dont think it means much other than legally shes an Anderson now instead of a Mitchell. Who knows what those folks think having her for a DIL. That puts a whole new meaning on Guess Whose Coming to Dinner. I am sure there are good folks in the extended families, my heart goes out to them. Personally I am waiting for her to dump her new huz and see what he has to squeel about then. It shouldnt take too long, she appears to move through relationships fairly fast. JMO of course. Just speculating....

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I think the "Anderson Family" is just badly worded and they are referring to Jessica's family by her new last name rather than Mitchell. Almost everyone in her immediate family has a different last name, so it's probably just easier to refer to them all by her last name.

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I was about to post the same thing. I completely agree with you here.

 

[koios]

Wrote a big long post last night but it disappeared, I'm going to try a shorter one today.

Last weekend drove through Leadore. Felt sad and sick at heart and angry, didn't even want to keep reading or posting. There were Forest Service and LE presence in Leadore when I was there. Were they working on the Deorr case? Maybe. There are hundreds of people working so hard to find little Deorr, and yet his parents deny him. That's what makes me so angry.

The Stage Stop is tiny. There is no way you could miss seeing a toddler in there.
There were no flyers about Deorr in the Stage Stop.
We drove up a bit on the road to the campground, but didn't go to the campground. There are so many little dirt roads off of the main road, as there are throughout the valley. So many places to go to hide a little body.

I felt like we were being watched while we were in Leadore, I hope we were. I hope they have our license plate and that we are on more than one video.

I am interested in J's interview in which she talks about the diesel purchase.
On this image S= Stage Shop, R=Restuarant/Bar, M=a small motel, and D is where I hypothesise diesel possibly is sold.
My hypothesis is that V prepaid for diesel at M then pumped the diesel at D.
@ReadySet based on your visit to Leadore, is that possible?

 

[Karinna]

All that said though, there has been zero indication from LE or Klein that DeOrr is still alive, in fact quite the opposite.

So, what if there WAS an accident/incident before or during the trip, and one parent IS responsible, but that parent knows something really terrible about the other parent, and so there is a pact of silence? Would a deep, dark, dreadful secret be enough to gel Vernal & Jessica together in this? To lie about Deorr's disappearance in order to keep an older secret hidden? I would love to hear what they think of each other these days.

BBM, Well i wonder if LE have definitive evidence of a deceased Deorr? If they believe he is in fact deceased they must have that evidence IMO. So why no arrests?

 

[jessie]

Thanks to all who sorted out my post about Klein's comment last night.
It was all my dimwitted fault for not being clearer, and my only excuse was that it was 2-3 a.m in the morning here.
Great that CMC got it copied out as it is of interest.
My conscience insists I apologise for the confusion I caused. "Must try harder" !!

 

[Lilibet]

BBM, Well i wonder if LE have definitive evidence of a deceased Deorr? If they believe he is in fact deceased they must have that evidence IMO. So why no arrests?

BBM

They may not have enough evidence showing how he died or who is responsible. If they are going to make arrests, they need to have evidence that will stand up in court, even if it's circumstantial. Apparently, LE hasn't reached that point yet, and they may never get there. Sadly, lots of missing child cases never result in arrests or get tried for this reason.

 

[ReadySet]

Yes, that could be the spot we pulled over briefly to see what it said about gas. It advertised "24 hour" service and Diesel. There was no way to pay there, other than card reader. So yes, it fits in with the idea that you pay somewhere else, or just use your card. I didn't see anything that said to pay at the motel.
Sorry folks, I'm having a hard time posting about this.The whole thing makes me sick, and I felt like an intrusive lookie-loo while we were there. I really don't have much more to tell about going through Leadore, there are so many videos and pictures and information out there already. But I will try to post more about what I saw, for what it's worth, when I can.

I am interested in J's interview in which she talks about the diesel purchase.
On this image S= Stage Shop, R=Restuarant/Bar, M=a small motel, and D is where I hypothesise diesel possibly is sold.
My hypothesis is that V prepaid for diesel at M then pumped the diesel at D.
@ReadySet based on your visit to Leadore, is that possible?

 

[KatieLiz]

Thanks to you Onebest, I found it. They mention the "Anderson side of the family". Isn't that who JM married ? Why would they mention them? Speculations? TIA

Ya I questioned that too. Did they really mean the Andersons or did they maybe mean the Mitchells but misspoke just because of Jessicas current last name? Because if they really did mention the Andersons and the Klein's but not the mitchells/cleggs than that speaks volumes in my opinion. But it's hard to tell what are mistakes/misspeaks and what are little golden nuggets of leaked info.

 

[neesaki]

Prob just because its JMs family now by marriage....I dont think it means much other than legally shes an Anderson now instead of a Mitchell. Who knows what those folks think having her for a DIL. That puts a whole new meaning on Guess Whose Coming to Dinner. I am sure there are good folks in the extended families, my heart goes out to them. Personally I am waiting for her to dump her new huz and see what he has to squeel about then. It shouldnt take too long, she appears to move through relationships fairly fast. JMO of course. Just speculating....

I thought I read where someone said they have already split up, but maybe it was just speculation, which would also be rumor. I'm not sure now even where I read it, probably on Klein's FB. Well what if it's true, and maybe the Andersen's have some tidbits of information to share with LE. I do think it's interesting that Klein mentioned them. JMO

 

[neesaki]

I'm repeating my earlier post in paragraphs, mainly because it's giving me a headache reading it, starting to see things that aren't there lol!

Thank you, Bessie. This is from yesterday's post, and in response to CJ's comment beginning "I'm sorry, but Klein, you're all over the place"

"Since day one we have come into this cold. We did not and have not sided with anyone but this child. We did an independent investigation which is truth be told - LE wasn't too happy about. The family as well - as we made sure that everyone understood we were not hired to be defense investigators nor assist law enforcement. Anything other is simply silly made up spin.

After our independent investigation we presented our first set of findings to both the Family and LE. The evidence was there was no signs of kidnapping, there was no signs of animal attack, and that we were investigating a death case which there was evidence to such. Post that - we started the next phase which was recreation, timelines, interviews on history of the family and those there at the camp ground. We compared our findings with LE and it seemed that our investigation was in the same place. Our problem is, continues to be, and focuses on, why do both parents continue to tell us 5 different stories, why they manipulate the facts, and frankly tell us stories that when we go back to verify - they never happened?

Now to your question regarding why we make public or film snips - because the public needs to know. From the media who continues to get spun (in our opinion) to LE and PSB that all we want is the truth - that is it - just the straight up what happened truth - with no more spin or flat out misstatements - then we can all move this case along.

The public paid for the investigation - not the Kiunz family. Now let us say this as well - there are some wonderful people in the Kunz family. Caring, loving, and concerned. Equally there are some wonderful people in the Anderson side of the family. Again, loving caring. As well the community. The lawsuit will be adjudicated and when the evidence starts to flow it might take some of you aback. We have done nothing wrong - Mr. Klein has done nothing wrong - we are all okay and the greatest thing we have going for us is the truth - evidence - and most of all our want to represent one person only - that is little DeOrr. We fully get these ladies are packed with emotion - we do not blame them - as there are a few in our office that have shed some tears after we brought this case together. We would be overwhelmed with joy if there was one ounce of evidence that Little DeOrr was alive. We would be giddy if we were wrong on our theory and suspects. But that is not where the evidence has us.

Lastly, we again ask all of you to pray for the missing and their families. Idaho will get through this - and we pledge to be part of the answer. Equally maybe it is time for many of you to take a step back and stop hurting each other. We get speculation - but stop attacking each other. Give your opinion - and then counter it. It is your 1st Amendment right to say what you want - we believe in that - and it will be shown over the next months. But before you hit send - think about it. Blessings to all of you on behalf of Mr. Klein and all of us here at KIC"

https://www.facebook.com/KleinInvestigations/?fref=ts

Thanks so much for doing this CMG, so much better and easier to read than on FB!