ID - DeOrr Kunz, Jr., 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #29

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  • #581
I consider it improbable in this case that any more than one of the adults knows what happened.

What do you base this on ? The four people at the campsite are covering for one another, and you say that only one of the adults know what happened? Considering that they all are covering for one another. If you know something the rest of us don't, then disclosure is the only right thing to do. Of course we would like to know, but you might want to consider giving this information over to LE.
 
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Hi CoverMeCagney
Deorr wandering off into the woods & getting lost is one of the more likely scenarios (but doesn't follow with all my thinking). There are several cases where tracker dogs have failed to follow the scent of a child who went missing & was later found alive. (There was one in Ourem, Portugal just 2 days ago, 2 year old Martin who was found nearly 2km from place of residence). I am wondering if the tracker dogs in Deorr's case were actually tracking JA's scent rather than Deorr's - we don't know which "uncontaminated" item the dogs used for scenting.
The parents weren't the only people to fail the polygraphs, were they - all 4 parties did.? TBC, who wasn't even there, also failed one. Sometimes the police can be very good at distorting the truth into an apparent lie - it has happened often & innocent people have been wrongly accused. The Joanna Yates (Bristol UK) case is a prime example - fortunately for Christopher Jefferies the victim's body was found & DNA of the real killer identified, otherwise I dread to think what would have happened to that poor man.
My main concern is that Deorr allegedly disappeared during what seemed to be the first & only time period on the trip he was not under the watch of either parent. IMO he either fell or was taken down the bank, out of GPP's sight,. IMO IR holds the key as to where he was then taken & concealed.
Were there any firearms or axes found at the site, do you know?

I personally don't believe DeOrr was ever at the campsite alive, but I'm curious about your statement that the dogs may have been tracking JM/JA/JL's scent rather than DeOrr's. Didn't Jessica say that she had gone fishing down by the creek? The dogs did not track to the creek. Nor did they go to any of the places that you'd think a searching mother would go looking for her child (as in ALL over the place - she had at least 1.5 hours before help arrived - I'd think that time would have been spent frantically searching). Do we know if the parents searched in and around the reservoir at any point prior to S&R arriving? The reservoir is fairly shallow. Children are drawn to water and a toddler would have little sense of the danger. At any rate, I don't think the dogs were tracking Jessica's scent unless she did not go fishing (or exploring?) as she said she did and also did not search for her son. On second thought, maybe you're right.
 
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  • #584
And that is the line that broke Websleuths.

Yes, well Grandpa knows he is deceased, so there is one to start.

"Is there going to be a funeral?"
"What's done is done"
"Maybe I'm going to need a lawyer too."
 
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BBM-- But didn't you JUST say that "...IR holds the key to where he was then taken and concealed." You've also mentioned.many times about Deorr falling down the bank and been pretty positive that happened.

So... ?

Idk.

1000 posters have changed their minds here 1000 times. So you can't hold Mistys feet to the fire. Jmo.
 
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Hi CoverMeCagney
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My main concern is that Deorr allegedly disappeared during what seemed to be the first & only time period on the trip he was not under the watch of either parent. IMO he either fell or was taken down the bank, out of GPP's sight,. IMO IR holds the key as to where he was then taken & concealed.
Were there any firearms or axes found at the site, do you know?

Thanks for your reply. I think the big word here is 'allegedly' but even if that part was correct how do you reckon IR could have concealed DeOrr's body in the few minutes until the alarm was raised? He didn't have a vehicle and couldn't have got far AND buried a body in that time.

I also think that if Isaac was away from the campground for any length of time the parents would have blatantly pointed the finger at him and they haven't.

All those authorities have spent HOURS AND HOURS with J&V combing through the stories and have still concluded they are guilty of something. Do you think they'd risk national outrage by branding the (potentially innocent and grieving) parents big fat liars? It seems to me the USA are pretty careful about apportioning blame, more careful than we are in the UK - see "probable cause vs reasonable suspicion". They worry more about being sued and statements like the Sheriff made could bring that whole police dept down if they were unfounded, jobs lost, careers ruined, national outrage, media frenzy. His claims were presumably with the blessing of the FBI and several other senior police and then backed up by the very people the parents hired to find DeOrr, who you'd think would be on the family's side.

It's a crazy case and unusual for the police to be so damning. Surely they can't all have got it so terribly wrong?
 
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For the offline Websleuths Is 6pm Eastern time = 11 pm in the UK ??
 
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To accommodate all the new people coming to Websleuths because of the docuseries we are moving to a much bigger and faster server.

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docuseries?
 
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Thanks for your reply. I think the big word here is 'allegedly' but even if that part was correct how do you reckon IR could have concealed DeOrr's body in the few minutes until the alarm was raised? He didn't have a vehicle and couldn't have got far AND buried a body in that time.

I also think that if Isaac was away from the campground for any length of time the parents would have blatantly pointed the finger at him and they haven't.

All those authorities have spent HOURS AND HOURS with J&V combing through the stories and have still concluded they are guilty of something. Do you think they'd risk national outrage by branding the (potentially innocent and grieving) parents big fat liars? It seems to me the USA are pretty careful about apportioning blame, more careful than we are in the UK - see "probable cause vs reasonable suspicion". They worry more about being sued and statements like the Sheriff made could bring that whole police dept down if they were unfounded, jobs lost, careers ruined, national outrage, media frenzy. His claims were presumably with the blessing of the FBI and several other senior police and then backed up by the very people the parents hired to find DeOrr, who you'd think would be on the family's side.

It's a crazy case and unusual for the police to be so damning. Surely they can't all have got it so terribly wrong?

And if that were the case, they (or most normal parents anyway) would've stayed on that mountain til they found him, knowing that IR disposed of him within walking distance...IMO. Seems pretty outlandish to me...
 
  • #595
I still wonder about that first interview with VK and the J, i.e., why they didn't mention IR's name, didn't include him in being there at the campground, they behaved as though he wasn't there.... the elephant in the room. Everything has a reason, what was their reason for leaving him out?
 
  • #596
I'd just like to say that so many here including myself have been with this tragedy since it first happened.
I may be from another country but continent, culture, race nor religion have any meaning in a missing child, a child torn from his parents, taken from those who loved him/her.
If there are newish posters here, those recently to WS Welcome to you. When you join an ongoing thread please, please take the time to read from the beginning. Go through all our discussions, suggestions, questions and theories because that will be informative.
Read the Media threads, the Interview threads and the Transcripts threads - you will find so much information there.
I think (hope) I speak for all here that we welcome input, information, theories and facts relating to this - anything that helps to understand what could possibly have occurred to this little boy.
Our aim is to find little Deorr wherever he is now.
 
  • #597
More people are joining WebSleuths and most certainly after the docuseries! That means more people will visit this thread.

Already there are hundreds of people inquiring about this case and there will be more questions.

This will hopefully lead to more pressure for the law enforcement/investigators to look more intensely into this case.

Whoever is responsible for little De'Orr's disappearance needs to keep looking over their shoulder. The pressure will be intense. The community and
law enforcement intend to solve this case.

This case will be solved and I pray that it is sooner than later.
 
  • #598
Idk.

1000 posters have changed their minds here 1000 times. So you can't hold Mistys feet to the fire. Jmo.

IMO there's a big difference between changing your mind because of unknowns and ignoring glaring facts to put forth any old theory that doesn't point at the parents.
 
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So, yeah... Can someone please fill me in on the docuseries. Thanks.
 
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