ID - DeOrr Kunz, Jr., 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #29

[ReadySet]

No. It is not dirt road all the way from Leadore. The first part is paved. The 6 miles in the other article is probably referring to the part that is not paved.
And if you knew your baby was missing and lost, wouldn't you drive back to camp so very slowly, because he could be in the road, he could be in the sagebrush to either side of the road, so you would be looking from side to side to see if you could spot him. You would be afraid that if you drove quickly, you might run over him if he emerged from the brush into the road, you would be driving slowly, scanning for his blonde hair or blue pants, hoping against hope that you would see him. Right?
And the dirt road is full of deep ruts and big rocks and No, you cannot drive 20 or 15 mph. And if you didn't know where your little beloved 2 yr. old was, and there was brush surrounding the road your were driving on, you would be focused on looking side to side, not driving as fast as you could. Right?

I think it's dirt track all the way from Leadore. 30 minutes is probably about right. This newspaper, whose reporters and film crew did drive up there, says "about a 30 minute drive"
http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/07/isaac-reinwand-nothing-hide-deorrs-disappearance/

 

[bluesneakers]

Ahhh, thank you TxJan1971. I felt like I was stuck in Groundhog Day for a minute, you are the "person" for the details. I'm sloppy with that kind of stuff because I remember reading it but am not so sure exactly where to recall it from. When you and KateLiz are on patrol I can relax, it's too much for my unfrozen cave man brain to fend off all these attacks.

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[The Apparition]

Oh yeah! That's what I'm talking about, your modern technology confuses me but I do know that my client deserves $300,000 compensatory damages!

Thank you bluesneakers!

 

[bluesneakers]

Oh yeah! That's what I'm talking about, your modern technology confuses me but I do know that my client deserves $300,000 compensatory damages!

Thank you bluesneakers!

Happy to help.

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[amateur sleuth]

To "take the hit" the parents would have to be able to lead LE to Deorr's body- and IMO they don't know where he is.

9 failed polygraphs between the two says they do know what happened to him and where he is.

 

[Maggie_Mayz]

Sleuth, that is the truth.

9 failed polygraphs between the two says they do know what happened to him and where he is.

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[CoverMeCagney]

I want to say that if it turns out that I am wrong and little Deorr is not found in those woods, I will eat a huge plate of whatever y'all want me to eat.

Thing is, even if he is found right now they might not be able to determine a cause of death.

If he'd found buried we know there was a human involved.
If it's more then x* miles away we know there was a human involved
If he's in the open air it proves nothing, might have wandered off, might have been placed there.
If he's found in a hole or crevice then perhaps it was a genuine accident.

It's not just as clear cut as finding his body.

* How far is too far? What should be the maximum radius in a case like this, how many miles could DeOrr have got on his own?

 

[jessie]

Thing is, even if he is found right now they might not be able to determine a cause of death.

If he'd found buried we know there was a human involved.
If it's more then x* miles away we know there was a human involved
If he's in the open air it proves nothing, might have wandered off, might have been placed there.
If he's found in a hole or crevice then perhaps it was a genuine accident.

It's not just as clear cut as finding his body.

* How far is too far? What should be the maximum radius in a case like this, how many miles could DeOrr have got on his own?

BBM
Don't forget he had only been 'gone' 10 or 20 minutes when they discovered he was no longer with GGP.. How far could a 2 year old walk in that short time in that type of rough area ? Not very far IMO.

 

[Roselvr]

Thank you so much, I own a computer but not a calculator and have never been able to find a free online calculator. I think we would all be lost if you didn't do this math for us. I found one of the sources I was trying to remember so here is a quote with link below.

It takes about 30 minutes to safely travel the roughly 6 miles of rutted and rock-dimpled dirt road that leads to the campsite.

Based upon this article that puts the speed at around 12 MPH, which is probably why the Sheriff said the road couldn't handle more that 15 MPH (he might not be as good at math as you are). So yeah under the best case scenario it would take Vernal 6 to 7.5 minutes to drive 1.5 miles. Bearing in mind he didn't actually drive anywhere to call 911 why does this matter?

http://www.postregister.com/article...est/2016/06/25/heavy-hearts-search-continues#

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[TxJan1971]

Steve Penner, chief deputy of the Lemhi County Sheriff’s Office, said the search radius was just over three miles from the Timber Creek Campground.

“With kids that age, 75 percent are found within 4/10th of a mile,” Penner said. “At 2.8 miles, 95 percent of all missing children are found.”

Penner also said the terrain around Timber Creek Campground was difficult for search and rescue teams to navigate.
http://www.idahostatejournal.com/me...cle_10d44717-75dc-5601-aa30-5726228128f8.html

 

[jessie]

http://www.idahostatejournal.com/mem...6228128f8.htmlDeOrr’s father thought the boy’s great-grandfather was watching him. The great-grandfather thought the boy’s dad was watching him.

It was during this 7- to 10-minute time period when nobody was watching him that DeOrr apparently disappeared.

Once they realized the 2-year-old was missing, Clegg said the family frantically searched the surrounding area for about an hour before dialing 911.





Well I've been watching - again - the parents' first interview. Vernal says (paraphrasing) they searched the creek and everything for about 20 minutes before he hauled off to call 911.

ETA: My previous post said "10-20" minutes before they realised he was missing, my mistake FGS it was 7 - 10 minutes he was gone, how far could he have got in that short time???

 

[zencompass]

But then I think of the oversized cowboy boots which apparently kept falling off of his feet and it was difficult for him to walk.

http://pleasehelpthesemissingchildren.blogspot.ca/2015/08/deorr-kunz-2-critical-missing-leadore.html

 

[Trident]

But then I think of the oversized cowboy boots which apparently kept falling off of his feet and it was difficult for him to walk.

http://pleasehelpthesemissingchildren.blogspot.ca/2015/08/deorr-kunz-2-critical-missing-leadore.html

Do you mean the boots that were found in the apartment they vacated?

 

[zencompass]

Hi Trident ,

Thank you . They were listed in the missing person's notice. I forgot that all of that information was given by the parents. I don't know
what I was thinking!

My error to even think that he was there and he was wearing those boots. There are so many lies and inconsistencies in this case.

I still believe that something will turn up - possibly there is something in all of the tips the police received.

Sending prayers of strength, clarity and determination to the law enforcement in this case. You will solve this! It is just a matter of time.

Rest in Peace dear little DeOrr. Answers will be forthcoming and you will have justice.

I hope and pray with all of you that this will happen soon.

 

[koios]

Do you mean the boots that were found in the apartment they vacated?

Neither KIC nor LE nor news reports mention boots being found there.

 

[misty48]

Is there another cattle guard one & a half miles from the campsite? I believed VDK allegedly made his phone call by the one 400m from the camp.

 

[koios]

http://www.idahostatejournal.com/mem...6228128f8.htmlDeOrr’s father thought the boy’s great-grandfather was watching him. The great-grandfather thought the boy’s dad was watching him.

It was during this 7- to 10-minute time period when nobody was watching him that DeOrr apparently disappeared.

Once they realized the 2-year-old was missing, Clegg said the family frantically searched the surrounding area for about an hour before dialing 911.






Well I've been watching - again - the parents' first interview. Vernal says (paraphrasing) they searched the creek and everything for about 20 minutes before he hauled off to call 911.

ETA: My previous post said "10-20" minutes before they realised he was missing, my mistake FGS it was 7 - 10 minutes he was gone, how far could he have got in that short time???

Assuming a maximum walking speed of 1.5 mph.
If the 1st period (when he was unwatched) was 10 minutes, he could have walked 1/4 mile.
If the 2nd period (the pre-911 search) was 20 minutes, he could have walked a further 1/2 mile.
So he could have been 3/4 mile away at the time 911 was called MOO.

 

[Maggie_Mayz]

But then I think of the oversized cowboy boots which apparently kept falling off of his feet and it was difficult for him to walk.

http://pleasehelpthesemissingchildren.blogspot.ca/2015/08/deorr-kunz-2-critical-missing-leadore.html

This so much, exactly if the boots were so hard for him to get around in per the parents and logic then he could not have gone far especially in rocky terrain.

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[koios]

Is there another cattle guard one & a half miles from the campsite? I believed VDK allegedly made his phone call by the one 400m from the camp.

Driving from the campsite towards Leadore, after the first cattle guard you mention, there another cattle guard at 1.7 miles distance from the campsite.

 

[misty48]

Driving from the campsite towards Leadore, after the first cattle guard you mention, there another cattle guard at 1.7 miles distance from the campsite.

Thank you for that. Therefore, is it possible Klein has used the wrong location to determine the distance from the camp VDK travelled to make the 911 call - because he hadn't visited the site at the time of or used GE as well as you are able?