ID - DeOrr Kunz, Jr., 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #30

[ReadySet]

There are no National Parks in Idaho. Baby Deorr did not go missing from one.
The missing 411 stuff is a bunch of baloney. imo
Jessica and Vernal are responsible for baby Deorr being gone. They have been named suspects. They are horrible parents.
moo

I recently watched "Missing 411," about mysterious disappearances of people in National Parks. One of the stories they covered was little DeOrr Kunz Jr. After watching this (which I highly recommend you do) there is no question in my mind that the parents were not involved whatsoever. They have been wrongly vilified in the media and I feel horrible for them. Strange things are going on in some of these National Park disappearances!

 

[dalsglen]

This wee one's never going to be found is he? Urgh

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

There are no National Parks in Idaho. Baby Deorr did not go missing from one.
The missing 411 stuff is a bunch of baloney. imo
Jessica and Vernal are responsible for baby Deorr being gone. They have been named suspects. They are horrible parents.
moo

Idaho contains part of Yellowstone National Park, as well as several other national reserves, monuments, and other public nature areas.

https://www.yellowstonepark.com/park/where-is-yellowstone-national-park

https://www.nps.gov/state/id/index.htm

(This fact is not stated to make inferences about the parents' involvement, however.)

 

[ReadySet]

Only 1% of Yellowstone is in Idaho. So technically you're right. But Idahoans generally do not consider Yellowstone an Idaho National Park.
The other areas you mention are moot, because OP was talking about National Parks.
But it's all neither here nor there, because the 411 stuff is just a distraction from the truth.
imo

Idaho contains part of Yellowstone National Park, as well as several other national reserves, monuments, and other public nature areas.

https://www.yellowstonepark.com/park/where-is-yellowstone-national-park

https://www.nps.gov/state/id/index.htm

(This fact is not stated to make inferences about the parents' involvement, however.)

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Only 1% of Yellowstone is in Idaho. So technically you're right. But Idahoans generally do not consider Yellowstone an Idaho National Park.
The other areas you mention are moot, because OP was talking about National Parks.
But it's all neither here nor there, because the 411 stuff is just a distraction from the truth.
imo

That last bit may well be true. Just wanted to keep fact separate from emphatic opinion, that's all. (Whether or not Idaho has National Park land is not about opinion--regardless of whether or not you think the 411 show has merit or relates to this case.)

 

[ReadySet]

The OP said that watching the missing 411 video convinced them that the parents had no involvement whatsoever. That's the connection.
Throughout this case, it has been said over and over again on WS that little Deorr went missing from a National Park. That's what the OP implied. They were camped at a National Forest. That's been corrected over and over again. That's a fact.
As I said, it's my opinion that these horrible parents are responsible for their child's disappearance. That's an opinion.

That last bit may well be true. Just wanted to keep fact separate from emphatic opinion, that's all. (Whether or not Idaho has National Park land is not about opinion--regardless of whether or not you think the 411 show has merit or relates to this case.)

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

The OP said that watching the missing 411 video convinced them that the parents had no involvement whatsoever. That's the connection.
Throughout this case, it has been said over and over again on WS that little Deorr went missing from a National Park. That's what the OP implied. They were camped at a National Forest. That's been corrected over and over again. That's a fact.
As I said, it's my opinion that these horrible parents are responsible for their child's disappearance. That's an opinion.

Yes, I understand what the OP was saying. I have no opinion on whether or not he was lost at a park, haven't even viewed the 411 segment. Again, only separating fact from opinion in your post above (that ID has "no national parks").

 

[ReadySet]

Well, this is just silly. I am not sure what you mean, but it's not worth it to me.
I'm sure Jessica and Vernal and their supporters would think it's just hilarious that posters on WS are arguing about National Parks.
I would just say to them, your day is coming. Little Deorr will get justice, and he will come home, and you will be found out.
All moo

Yes, I understand what the OP was saying. I have no opinion on whether or not he was lost at a park, haven't even viewed the 411 segment. Again, only separating fact from opinion in your post above (that ID has "no national parks").

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Well, this is just silly. I am not sure what you mean, but it's not worth it to me.
I'm sure Jessica and Vernal and their supporters would think it's just hilarious that posters on WS are arguing about National Parks.
I would just say to them, your day is coming. Little Deorr will get justice, and he will come home, and you will be found out.
All moo

While I would disagree that it's "silly" to separate fact from opinion in crime discussions, I do share your hope that Deorr will find justice. How about we leave it at that.

 

[flourish]

Only 1% of Yellowstone is in Idaho. So technically you're right. But Idahoans generally do not consider Yellowstone an Idaho National Park.
The other areas you mention are moot, because OP was talking about National Parks.
But it's all neither here nor there, because the 411 stuff is just a distraction from the truth.
imo

Lol, we totally count Yellowstone in my experience. It's the only one we can claim and half of southeast Idaho is named Yellowstone this or that, including the major old highway.

But yes little DeOrr did not go missing from a national park or monument, just a camping area. I don't want to believe it was the parents, but ...
ETA I stand corrected as they were in a National Forest apparently...of which Idaho has several.

 

[darmela]

I'd find them believable only if they didn't have an unlimited number of accounts of the day's events. There's too many inconsistencies.

I didn't find that to be the case with his parents or anyone else that was there. In the program they interview everyone involved, and the parents even go back to the campsite to go through each step of what happened. In my opinion, the parents have the ring of truth and I don't think they are trying to hide anything. You can clearly see how torn up and dumbfounded they are about what happened.

 

[The Apparition]

I didn't find that to be the case with his parents or anyone else that was there. In the program they interview everyone involved, and the parents even go back to the campsite to go through each step of what happened. In my opinion, the parents have the ring of truth and I don't think they are trying to hide anything. You can clearly see how torn up and dumbfounded they are about what happened.

Can't say I saw this video but I'm not a big believer in unexplained phenomenon type of stuff. I would say that the couple of interviews the parents gave were less than convincing in my opinion. Major red flags always fly for me personally when parents of missing children go on and on about praising the failed search effort. Vernal spent most of his valuable air time rhapsodizing about the search efforts and how they found a can of bug spray. Mind you this was like day 3 when it was still possible to hope for finding an alive child. I can't imagine a normal person wasting their interview time on such fan boy praise when they could be giving valuable details about the actual missing child. I would also point out that after a couple of less than stellar interviews the parents are basically missing themselves, leading from behind if you will.

Hopefully justice is served at some point and the innocent members of the family (whomever they may be) get to grieve and have closure.

 

[flourish]

Can't say I saw this video but I'm not a big believer in unexplained phenomenon type of stuff. I would say that the couple of interviews the parents gave were less than convincing in my opinion. Major red flags always fly for me personally when parents of missing children go on and on about praising the failed search effort. Vernal spent most of his valuable air time rhapsodizing about the search efforts and how they found a can of bug spray. Mind you this was like day 3 when it was still possible to hope for finding an alive child. I can't imagine a normal person wasting their interview time on such fan boy praise when they could be giving valuable details about the actual missing child. I would also point out that after a couple of less than stellar interviews the parents are basically missing themselves, leading from behind if you will.

Hopefully justice is served at some point and the innocent members of the family (whomever they may be) get to grieve and have closure.

I can't imagine what "normal" is supposed to look like in that type of situation. I've said it before and I'll say it again--shock is a weird and scary thing... I know I said some pretty weird stuff when I encountered the worst tragedy a parent could face, and I really want to give this family the benefit of the doubt.

 

[bluesneakers]

I can't imagine what "normal" is supposed to look like in that type of situation. I've said it before and I'll say it again--shock is a weird and scary thing... I know I said some pretty weird stuff when I encountered the worst tragedy a parent could face, and I really want to give this family the benefit of the doubt.

I watched that first interview they did over and over, looking for something. What I finally got was he was exhausted. No guilt or blame there because I wanted to follow the victim-friendly TOS. And now all this time later I still believe his exhaustion was genuine.

In situations like this there will always be what most people do or how most parents behave but it's not the same as saying this is how they should behave or if they don't behave the way most parents do it proves something.

 

[iluvmua]

Has anyone found Vernal's POF dating profile yet? He had one last year that I know of.

These parents are directly involved in what happened to Deorr.

They think they got away with it but justice is coming for Deorr.

Jmo

 

[The Apparition]

I watched that first interview they did over and over, looking for something. What I finally got was he was exhausted. No guilt or blame there because I wanted to follow the victim-friendly TOS. And now all this time later I still believe his exhaustion was genuine.

In situations like this there will always be what most people do or how most parents behave but it's not the same as saying this is how they should behave or if they don't behave the way most parents do it proves something.

Meh. We're going on 2.5 years so I'm sure most people who have followed closely are ensconced in their opinions. I will address the comments about "saying or behaving" as expected. I totally get it that some people weird out under stress. Inappropriate laughing, catatonic stares, self medicating, etc... None of that explains away how a guy (Vernal) with a freshly missing kid can go on a live interview and forget to talk extensively, forcefully, and non-stop about his actual missing kid. Your missing child should burn so brightly in your mind that you have very little time to speak about anything else. I am not interested in body language, or voice inflection analysis, I'm talking actual words spoken. Vernal and his semi catatonic companion spent 10% or less camera time giving anything remotely approaching useful information about their missing son. A couple of days after their son "disappeared" the best they had to offer was the helicopters were awesome and we found a can of Deep Woods Off, I vote hell to the no.

 

[The Apparition]

As an example here's how almost any normal person would treat a live interview when their kid is lost/abducted:

Oh my God we want to find our son. He likes transformers, Bob The Builder, Hot Wheels, and Wrestling. He has a freckle on his foot, and a little strawberry mark on his back. He'll answer to Deorr, Deorr Jr, little man, or sugar booger. We last saw him by the fire pit. Please for the love of God give him back. He needs his sock monkey, and he has to have warm milk before bed. He loves trucks so he might be near a truck stop. Etc...

Any honest person reading this knows this is how you would sound if your toddler "disappeared". Now listen to the first interview with the parents and tell me you still think they are clean.

 

[bluesneakers]

Meh. We're going on 2.5 years so I'm sure most people who have followed closely are ensconced in their opinions. I will address the comments about "saying or behaving" as expected. I totally get it that some people weird out under stress. Inappropriate laughing, catatonic stares, self medicating, etc... None of that explains away how a guy (Vernal) with a freshly missing kid can go on a live interview and forget to talk extensively, forcefully, and non-stop about his actual missing kid. Your missing child should burn so brightly in your mind that you have very little time to speak about anything else. I am not interested in body language, or voice inflection analysis, I'm talking actual words spoken. Vernal and his semi catatonic companion spent 10% or less camera time giving anything remotely approaching useful information about their missing son. A couple of days after their son "disappeared" the best they had to offer was the helicopters were awesome and we found a can of Deep Woods Off, I vote hell to the no.

Meh. I think you missed the point of my post. When the video was first released on the thread we had to treat DeOrr's parents as victims. I watched it and looked for something I could talk about, something other than all the crazy stuff. We couldn't say anything negative about how he appeared, what he talked about, what she said, etc. or make it sound like we were blaming them. This was before they were called POIs by the sheriff and websleuths' victim friendly TOS still applied. Most of what you posted above would have been TO-worthy back then.

 

[The Apparition]

"And now all this time later I still believe his exhaustion was genuine". Meh these things write themselves. Wasn't personally coming for you FYI but just wanted to address some of what you said. I prefer not to quote the apologist who was right above you in the thread...

 

[flourish]

Sure, the passive aggressive approach is so much better. Bravo.