ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #7

[1&2&3]

Just a thought on why the clerk at the store has wanted no public attention. Could it be because she is a RSO? The sheriff did not want her name to be investigated and suspicions come up. So the sheriff told her to be quite.

Yes, I know, she gave the television reporter an interview on something recently. However, Mr. Sheriff was not right there beforehand reminding her to not do interviews. In her interview, she seemed ready to tell her story without any hesitation. IMO

Something is fishy in this story - we are all missing it! What IS the missing link?

 

[Deleted member 718]

There would be blood if he was hit by a bow imo and then a blood trail.

It depends on where the arrow enters. Some wounds bleed a lot, some not at all. This article is for tracking deer blood trails. It explains how there is minimal bleeding for some shots.

http://www.bowhunter.com/feature_ar...whunters_guide_to_blood-trailing_deer_113010/

I'm not really concerned with what hunting season was open. Most hunters follow the rules but there are always those who don't.

 

[rkf]

Not the Sheriff, call the P.I.! Ask him when the parents left their house and when they arrived.

I don't trust the PI as far as I could throw him. JMO

 

[rkf]

Just a thought on why the clerk at the store has wanted no public attention. Could it be because she is a RSO? The sheriff did not want her name to be investigated and suspicions come up. So the sheriff told her to be quite.

Yes, I know, she gave the television reporter an interview on something recently. However, Mr. Sheriff was not right there beforehand reminding her to not do interviews. In her interview, she seemed ready to tell her story without any hesitation. IMO

Something is fishy in this story - we are all missing it! What IS the missing link?

I sure wish we had any confirmation that the 6 pm sighting was actually reported. Even when the PI discussed the french fries, he didn't explicitly state where and when they bought DeOrr's snack. The first I heard about the 6 pm sighting was when JM referred to it as a rumor. Since then, I've heard the clerk didn't want to talk to media, but who is saying that and how do they know who she is? I want one piece of verifiable, confirmed information to latch onto!

 

[ILOKAL]

I don't trust the PI as far as I could throw him. JMO

You can't have it both ways. You "trust" him when you believe he said the family arrived Thursday, the day before July 10th.

 

[bessie]

***What happens in the scanner thread, stays in the scanner thread.***

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-D-READ-BEFORE-POSTING*&p=9664342#post9664342

 

[ILOKAL]

Just a thought on why the clerk at the store has wanted no public attention. Could it be because she is a RSO? The sheriff did not want her name to be investigated and suspicions come up. So the sheriff told her to be quite.

Yes, I know, she gave the television reporter an interview on something recently. However, Mr. Sheriff was not right there beforehand reminding her to not do interviews. In her interview, she seemed ready to tell her story without any hesitation. IMO

Something is fishy in this story - we are all missing it! What IS the missing link?

There is only one RSO female in Leadore and it's the woman from the cafe, not the woman from the Stage Stop.

 

[Eileen730]

just a thought on why the clerk at the store has wanted no public attention. Could it be because she is a rso? The sheriff did not want her name to be investigated and suspicions come up. So the sheriff told her to be quite.

Yes, i know, she gave the television reporter an interview on something recently. However, mr. Sheriff was not right there beforehand reminding her to not do interviews. In her interview, she seemed ready to tell her story without any hesitation. Imo

something is fishy in this story - we are all missing it! What is the missing link?

ggf???

 

[ILOKAL]

It depends on where the arrow enters. Some wounds bleed a lot, some not at all. This article is for tracking deer blood trails. It explains how there is minimal bleeding for some shots.

http://www.bowhunter.com/feature_ar...whunters_guide_to_blood-trailing_deer_113010/

I'm not really concerned with what hunting season was open. Most hunters follow the rules but there are always those who don't.

For the record, no hunting seasons were open. The hunting seasons don't overlap with the camping season. Hunting seasons begin after camping season ends.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Did you miss the MSM article posted by rfk up thread? They left their home in I D A H O F A L L S on F R I D A Y, J U L Y 10th and arrived on the 10th and little Doerr vanished on the 10th. It's not a matter of believing the P.I. it's simply a matter of understanding what he thought he said. Hey, why not just give him a call or send him an email? He seems pretty accessible. IMO

We aren't supposed to be contacting people directly involved in any case on WS so I won't be calling him or shooting him an email.

The reporter doesn't give a direct quote to my knowledge. The PI is very clear on his meaning, at least to me. If he had said, IN the morning, after they arrived...but leaving out that essential word makes it the night before. Sorry.

 

[Jules71]

For the record, no hunting seasons were open. The hunting seasons don't overlap with the camping season. Hunting seasons begin after camping season ends.

Thanks for this - but like gliving said, most hunters follow the rules but not all do. So it is still possible, IMO.

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[kammiemc]

I agree we should ask why, but I'd add that we should not automatically assume a "cover up" on the part of the parents. Why LE has not released to the media a simple timeline of the basic facts is beyond me. Has even one reporter requested a timeline from LE? Suffice to say, the reporting has been atrocious all around. If nothing else, perhaps the PI can arrange an interview with a national media outlet where the right questions can be asked, answered, and reported.

That's true. It's easy to let your mind go there because it seems like the parents are not sharing basic facts that might help the public help them, but there might be an explanation for that. And, I need to remind myself of a recent Vallejo kidnapping case where the victims were blamed by LE and public for fabricating the bizarre story (and yet months later the kidnapper was discovered, and lo and behold they were telling the truth the whole time). So, giving the benefit of the doubt is a good thing.

 

[rkf]

You can't have it both ways. You "trust" him when you believe he said the family arrived Thursday, the day before July 10th.

If you look up thread, you will see I said I don't believe the PI or MSM about when they arrived at the camp site.

 

[ClaireNC]

Just a thought on why the clerk at the store has wanted no public attention. Could it be because she is a RSO? The sheriff did not want her name to be investigated and suspicions come up. So the sheriff told her to be quite.

Yes, I know, she gave the television reporter an interview on something recently. However, Mr. Sheriff was not right there beforehand reminding her to not do interviews. In her interview, she seemed ready to tell her story without any hesitation. IMO

Something is fishy in this story - we are all missing it! What IS the missing link?

The clerk at the store is not the person that was interviewed by the reporter. The person in the interview works at the The Silver Dollar Bar and Cafe (and happens to be a RSO). The tip about the Friday evening sighting was made by a clerk at the Stage Stop, the convenience store/gas station. Two different people, two different establishments.

 

[Jules71]

ggf???

Yes, ggf's testimony of what happened may be the missing link. Was he able to give his account of what happened to LE, or is he too mentally fragile to do so?

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[ClaireNC]

If you look up thread, you will see I said I don't believe the PI or MSM about when they arrived at the camp site.

And why is that? Are you able to explain? Personally I believe they arrived Thursday night, but I'm interested in hearing your reason for not buying either story.

 

[Jules71]

The clerk at the store is not the person that was interviewed by the reporter. The person in the interview works at the The Silver Dollar Bar and Cafe (and happens to be a RSO). The tip about the Friday evening sighting was made by a clerk at the Stage Stop, the convenience store/gas station. Two different people, two different establishments.

To really confuse things - maybe she owns and works at both. How do we know for sure? 😒

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[Cardinal47]

Lemhi County Sheriff Lynn Bowerman says he's convinced an Idaho toddler missing for three weeks was not abducted.
Sheriff Lynn Bowerman updated KBOI 2News on the case of missing Idaho boy DeOrr Kunz, who was last seen July 10. Although he's convinced the 2-year-old was not abducted, Bowerman said he's unable to rule out the possibility.
Bowerman said everyone at the campsite is considered a person of interest in the case, however, none of them are suspects -- this includes the parents, the child's great-grandfather and family friend Isaac Reinwand.
http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/DeOrr-Kunz-Missing-Idaho-320303121.html

Sheriff Bowerman also confirmed that drones are being brought to the Timber Creek/ Stone Reservoir area but doesn't believe they will be used in the search. Instead the drones will be used to document the area for evidence if a trial in connection to DeOrr's disappearance is ever convened.
http://www.localnews8.com/news/new-details-on-search-for-deorr-kunz-jr/34281340

The child's parents, DeOrr Kunz Sr. and Jessica Mitchell, told authorities they left their home in Idaho Falls on July 10 for a weekend camping trip that included their son, as well as the mother's grandfather and his friend.
They told investigators they thought their son had stayed at the camp when they left to hike. They said they realized he was missing when they came back and learned his great-grandfather did not know the boy's whereabouts, Bowerman said.

"There is no evidence suggesting DeOrr was abducted," the sheriff said.

Bowerman said search dogs had shown an interest earlier this month in a reservoir, but that it was later learned a local woman scattered the ashes of a cremated loved one into the water, misleading the cadaver dogs.

There is also no sign the toddler was attacked by the bears, mountain lions and wolves known to roam the area, he said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/31/us-usa-idaho-toddler-idUSKCN0Q52OP20150731

Grandmother Trina Bates Clegg said Sunday night in a phone interview with EastIdahoNews.com. “Right now they have ruled out that he has slipped and fallen in to a creek. The creek has been cleared…and (the sheriff) is 100 percent confident that (Deorr) wasn’t in the creek.”
http://pix11.com/2015/07/13/grandmother-of-missing-2-year-old-he-just-vanished/

Meanwhile, dive teams scoured nearby Timber Creek and Stone reservoir but did not recover anything.

The boy's worried father said he still wonders if that is where his little boy is.

Kunz Sr said: '[The sheriff] assured me there is 100 percent chance he is not anywhere in or near that water.'

'They have torn that creek upside down and inside out. Divers have gone in with wetsuits along with the helicopter.'
http://www.bostonnewstime.com/regional/111692-missing-deorr-kunz-jr-s-parents-asks-for-leads-to-find-their-boy.html


"We've literally torn that country apart and found absolutely not one clue," Bowerman told FoxNews.com. So what physical evidence did they turn over to the FBI?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/2...den-yield-no-clues-in-hunt-for-idaho-toddler/

BBM
What other possibilities exist? Where is little DeOrr?

OK I don't think he wandered to the reservoir because his boots would have came off and they would have been found. Plus it's a long hike in too large boots or bare feet.

So I am scratching that one.

I don't think he fell in the creek because the sheriff said it was searched every square inch.

So that one is out.

MOO is perhaps he never was there or somebody known to the family came into the camp and took off with him while mom and dad were gone and just like Grandpa's friend wasn't revealed til later and they haven't given out his name as of yet.

That's about all I've got.

MOO

 

[ClaireNC]

To really confuse things - maybe she owns and works at both. How do we know for sure? ��

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Because I checked ownership records. The Stage Stop is actually up for sale.

 

[ILOKAL]

We aren't supposed to be contacting people directly involved in any case on WS so I won't be calling him or shooting him an email.

The reporter doesn't give a direct quote to my knowledge. The PI is very clear on his meaning, at least to me. If he had said, IN the morning, after they arrived...but leaving out that essential word makes it the night before. Sorry.

I don't know what the rules are for contacting "people" except some have already contacted people, including the sheriff. And, absolutely, you can interpret what the P.I. meant any way you want, but if someone DOES contact him, they will find they left home and arrived on Friday, and that's exactly what he meant. IMO, of course!