Found Deceased ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow, Tylee Ryan, Tammy Daybell, Charles Vallow *Arrests* #74
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Summary of tweets for Tuesday, May 9th - Day 21
State witness: Idaho Attorney General Investigator Nichols Edwards / Part 2
Nate Eaton
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We are back from the break. Lori was passionately speaking with her attorneys for a few minutes during the recess. Edwards is likely the prosecution's last witness. Jim Archibald tells me Lori still has not decided if she will be taking the stand or not.
We now see a slide showing a breakdown of the 90 calls between Alex, Chad, Lori and Zulema on Oct. 9 and 10. Chad and Alex were communicating between 8:28 p.m. and 9:29 p.m. the night of Oct. 9. This would have been during and right after the time Tammy Daybell was shot at.
Blake now shows a photo of the front of Chad's house. We now see an overhead image of the Daybell property.
Edwards learned Tammy usually parked along the long driveway at the back of the property. She would often enter through the back door. On the night of the shooting, she parked in the front of the house. This was different than her usual pattern.
Blake shows an image of the Grendel AR gun. Edwards has used AR rifles in the military and in law enforcement. He is a certified sniper and has completed long-distance sniper courses. Edwards says a paintball gun was originally reported in Tammy's shooting.
He says a paintball gun and AR could resemble each other if the base of the weapon looks similar and the hopper (where you feed the paintballs) could be mistaken for a scope.
Blake asks about the email Tammy sent to her son Mark. During his investigation, Edwards says he spoke with neighbors about paintball guns. They did not own any paintball guns.
Blake asks Edwards if he did additional follow-up after the shooting. He says he spoke with many people in the area and reviewed reports.
Edwards found on the homerjmaximus account that a search has been done for a Grendel drop - meaning the searcher was trying to figure out what adjustments needed to be made on the scope to hit your target. Scopes were recovered in Lori's garage.
Blake asks to admit a timeline from 2019 that Edwards created.
Thomas objects to the exhibit but Boyce allows it in for demonstrative purposes - not as evidence. The first slide shows a timeline of Oct. 9, 2019 from 5 p.m. - 12:28 a.m.
The attempted shooting occurred around 9:15 p.m. There are lots of calls and texts along with a casting that Zulema and Lori performed that day.
As Fremont County deputies are on scene, there were texts between Alex and Lori, Chad and Alex and Chad and Lori. At 10:42 p.m., the deputy leaves. There is then a 38-minute phone call between Alex and Zulema. The next morning there are messages between Alex and Zulema.
The casting was being done the night of the attempted shooting. On Oct. 9, homerjmaximus searched for how to clean an AR and searched for what a Grendel AR might do through a Dodge Dakota. The Daybells owned a Dodge Dakota.
Blake asks to admit another exhibit. It shows the timeline of events on Oct. 18-19.
Thomas objects to the timeline and asks Lori was not anywhere in the area so she has nothing to do with it.
Lori was in Hawaii on Oct. 18-19. It shows text messages and location activity between 6:13 p.m. and 12:35 a.m. There are texts between Lori and Chad, Alex and Chad and Alex and Lori.
The night Tammy died, her phone is active and playing games at 10:22 p.m. At 11:28 p.m., a jpeg is deleted from her phone. There are then texts between Chad and Lori. At 11:46 p.m., Alex is leaving the LDS Church parking lot near Chad's house.
Alex calls Lori and then talks from 11:53 p.m. -12:09 a.m Lori texts Zulema at 12:10 a.m. Chad texts Lori at 12:35 a.m.
Now we see a slide showing the messages between Chad and Lori on the morning of Oct. 20. L to C: "I am missing you more. I need you desperately. I can't wait." L to C: "Need you to hold me tight. That would be great.
What about the idea of you coming here. or do you want me to come there." C to L: "Te apartment is haunted. I need to be here to sort out the financials. Please come home Thursday so we can spend the night together.
What about the idea of you coming here. or do you want me to come there." C to L: "Te apartment is haunted. I need to be here to sort out the financials. Please come home Thursday so we can spend the night together.
They go back and forth about being lovesick and consumed with each other. Chad to Lori: "I am feeling sad but it isn't for the reason everyone thinks."
On Oct. 20, L to C: "What's on your agenda today?" C to L: "Need to meet with the mortuary today. I hope to be able to talk after I can get my parents to go home." They then exchange messages over the next few days about missing each other and craving each other with heart emojis
Edwards says Tammy had two life insurance policies and they both paid out. Chad Daybell was the recipient. Edwards says Chad and Lori got married on Nov. 5, 2019. Edwards was involved in the search at Daybell's property on June 9, 2020.
Edwards was assigned to search under a tree on the north side of the property. We now see a photo of the ground where JJ's body was found buried. Edwards says he was instructed to slowly and methodically look for a designated spot where they believed a body might be.
He could tell the contour of the earth was different and the grass had been disturbed in the form of a rectangle.
Edwards talks about finding the rocks under the dirt. Under the rocks were some boards and exposed on his right was "what appeared to be the shape of a head in a black bag." Edwards used his hands to sift through and dig in the dirt.
Edwards says the FBI lead agent cut a hole in the black bag and the white bag which exposed brown hair. "My experience after that was a flood of emotion that we found him and thoughts of my own son who is the same age." Blake has no further questions.
Thomas will cross-examine Edwards. Thomas asks how he's doing and starts to review his professional background. He says before he was a police officer, he worked campus security at ISU while a student.
Thomas asks which universities Edwards attended for his degrees. Thomas now asking about the timeline exhibit and the text messages between Alex, Chad and Zulema. He asks what the texts were about.
"I don't know what all of them were about. We don't have the content for some of them," Edwards says. Thomas: "They could have been talking about going to lunch or going to dinner or any number of things." Edwards: "Correct."
Thomas asks Edwards if he spoke with the specific kid who Tammy mentioned in her email to her son. Edwards says he didn't know who the child was - there was no name. Edwards says he spoke with the Prices next door.
Thomas asks Edwards if he actually handled the AR firearm. "It's a lot heavier than your average paintball gun," Thomas says. Edwards: "It is."
Thomas the timelines and asks for clarification on some of the points. He talks about Alex arriving at the LDS Church near Chad's house and asks about geofencing. Edwards says he isn't sure about geofencing and got his information from the CAST report. Thomas asks for a sidebar.
Thomas back at the stand and says he has no further questions.
Blake has follow-up questions. She asks if other investigators prepared data that Edwards then reviewed. He says yes. Blake: "If a firearm jams or misfires, would there be any kind of a sound?" Edwards says a number of things could happen.
Blake asks if he found Alex Cox's device at or near the residence on Oct. 9, 2019. He says yes.
Blake has no further questions and Edwards is released from the witness stand.
Blake asks for a sidebar. All the attorneys leave the courtroom with the judge. Lori turns her back to the audience and writes on her notepad.
Many jurors are standing up and chatting with each other. Crazy to think that six weeks ago, none of them knew each other and now they've spent every weekday together since April 10 listening to 61 witnesses, countless exhibits, graphic details and more.
Attorneys are back and Boyce is on the bench. He says we are breaking for lunch until 12:40 p.m. but some issues need to be taken up outside the presence of the jury. Jurors are dismissed.
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Summary of tweets for Tuesday, May 9th - Day 21
State witness: Idaho Attorney General Investigator Nichols Edwards / Part 2
Nate Eaton
@NateNewsNow
·
20m
We are back from the break. Lori was passionately speaking with her attorneys for a few minutes during the recess. Edwards is likely the prosecution's last witness. Jim Archibald tells me Lori still has not decided if she will be taking the stand or not.
We now see a slide showing a breakdown of the 90 calls between Alex, Chad, Lori and Zulema on Oct. 9 and 10. Chad and Alex were communicating between 8:28 p.m. and 9:29 p.m. the night of Oct. 9. This would have been during and right after the time Tammy Daybell was shot at.
Blake now shows a photo of the front of Chad's house. We now see an overhead image of the Daybell property.
Edwards learned Tammy usually parked along the long driveway at the back of the property. She would often enter through the back door. On the night of the shooting, she parked in the front of the house. This was different than her usual pattern.
Blake shows an image of the Grendel AR gun. Edwards has used AR rifles in the military and in law enforcement. He is a certified sniper and has completed long-distance sniper courses. Edwards says a paintball gun was originally reported in Tammy's shooting.
He says a paintball gun and AR could resemble each other if the base of the weapon looks similar and the hopper (where you feed the paintballs) could be mistaken for a scope.
Blake asks about the email Tammy sent to her son Mark. During his investigation, Edwards says he spoke with neighbors about paintball guns. They did not own any paintball guns.
Blake asks Edwards if he did additional follow-up after the shooting. He says he spoke with many people in the area and reviewed reports.
Edwards found on the homerjmaximus account that a search has been done for a Grendel drop - meaning the searcher was trying to figure out what adjustments needed to be made on the scope to hit your target. Scopes were recovered in Lori's garage.
Blake asks to admit a timeline from 2019 that Edwards created.
Thomas objects to the exhibit but Boyce allows it in for demonstrative purposes - not as evidence. The first slide shows a timeline of Oct. 9, 2019 from 5 p.m. - 12:28 a.m.
The attempted shooting occurred around 9:15 p.m. There are lots of calls and texts along with a casting that Zulema and Lori performed that day.
As Fremont County deputies are on scene, there were texts between Alex and Lori, Chad and Alex and Chad and Lori. At 10:42 p.m., the deputy leaves. There is then a 38-minute phone call between Alex and Zulema. The next morning there are messages between Alex and Zulema.
The casting was being done the night of the attempted shooting. On Oct. 9, homerjmaximus searched for how to clean an AR and searched for what a Grendel AR might do through a Dodge Dakota. The Daybells owned a Dodge Dakota.
Blake asks to admit another exhibit. It shows the timeline of events on Oct. 18-19.
Thomas objects to the timeline and asks Lori was not anywhere in the area so she has nothing to do with it.
Lori was in Hawaii on Oct. 18-19. It shows text messages and location activity between 6:13 p.m. and 12:35 a.m. There are texts between Lori and Chad, Alex and Chad and Alex and Lori.
The night Tammy died, her phone is active and playing games at 10:22 p.m. At 11:28 p.m., a jpeg is deleted from her phone. There are then texts between Chad and Lori. At 11:46 p.m., Alex is leaving the LDS Church parking lot near Chad's house.
Alex calls Lori and then talks from 11:53 p.m. -12:09 a.m Lori texts Zulema at 12:10 a.m. Chad texts Lori at 12:35 a.m.
Now we see a slide showing the messages between Chad and Lori on the morning of Oct. 20. L to C: "I am missing you more. I need you desperately. I can't wait." L to C: "Need you to hold me tight. That would be great.
What about the idea of you coming here. or do you want me to come there." C to L: "Te apartment is haunted. I need to be here to sort out the financials. Please come home Thursday so we can spend the night together.
What about the idea of you coming here. or do you want me to come there." C to L: "Te apartment is haunted. I need to be here to sort out the financials. Please come home Thursday so we can spend the night together.
They go back and forth about being lovesick and consumed with each other. Chad to Lori: "I am feeling sad but it isn't for the reason everyone thinks."
On Oct. 20, L to C: "What's on your agenda today?" C to L: "Need to meet with the mortuary today. I hope to be able to talk after I can get my parents to go home." They then exchange messages over the next few days about missing each other and craving each other with heart emojis
Edwards says Tammy had two life insurance policies and they both paid out. Chad Daybell was the recipient. Edwards says Chad and Lori got married on Nov. 5, 2019. Edwards was involved in the search at Daybell's property on June 9, 2020.
Edwards was assigned to search under a tree on the north side of the property. We now see a photo of the ground where JJ's body was found buried. Edwards says he was instructed to slowly and methodically look for a designated spot where they believed a body might be.
He could tell the contour of the earth was different and the grass had been disturbed in the form of a rectangle.
Edwards talks about finding the rocks under the dirt. Under the rocks were some boards and exposed on his right was "what appeared to be the shape of a head in a black bag." Edwards used his hands to sift through and dig in the dirt.
Edwards says the FBI lead agent cut a hole in the black bag and the white bag which exposed brown hair. "My experience after that was a flood of emotion that we found him and thoughts of my own son who is the same age." Blake has no further questions.
Thomas will cross-examine Edwards. Thomas asks how he's doing and starts to review his professional background. He says before he was a police officer, he worked campus security at ISU while a student.
Thomas asks which universities Edwards attended for his degrees. Thomas now asking about the timeline exhibit and the text messages between Alex, Chad and Zulema. He asks what the texts were about.
"I don't know what all of them were about. We don't have the content for some of them," Edwards says. Thomas: "They could have been talking about going to lunch or going to dinner or any number of things." Edwards: "Correct."
Thomas asks Edwards if he spoke with the specific kid who Tammy mentioned in her email to her son. Edwards says he didn't know who the child was - there was no name. Edwards says he spoke with the Prices next door.
Thomas asks Edwards if he actually handled the AR firearm. "It's a lot heavier than your average paintball gun," Thomas says. Edwards: "It is."
Thomas the timelines and asks for clarification on some of the points. He talks about Alex arriving at the LDS Church near Chad's house and asks about geofencing. Edwards says he isn't sure about geofencing and got his information from the CAST report. Thomas asks for a sidebar.
Thomas back at the stand and says he has no further questions.
Blake has follow-up questions. She asks if other investigators prepared data that Edwards then reviewed. He says yes. Blake: "If a firearm jams or misfires, would there be any kind of a sound?" Edwards says a number of things could happen.
Blake asks if he found Alex Cox's device at or near the residence on Oct. 9, 2019. He says yes.
Blake has no further questions and Edwards is released from the witness stand.
Blake asks for a sidebar. All the attorneys leave the courtroom with the judge. Lori turns her back to the audience and writes on her notepad.
Many jurors are standing up and chatting with each other. Crazy to think that six weeks ago, none of them knew each other and now they've spent every weekday together since April 10 listening to 61 witnesses, countless exhibits, graphic details and more.
Attorneys are back and Boyce is on the bench. He says we are breaking for lunch until 12:40 p.m. but some issues need to be taken up outside the presence of the jury. Jurors are dismissed.
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IMO, not that I have forgiven murder, but I have a family member that had done some pretty bad things, but now that only the two of us are left I overlook a lot just because there is no one else with our memories, I imagine it is hard for a person to lose a chunk of family (MURDAUGH) and know it is because of another family member, just as for CD children, losing mom and dad, it is hard to wrap your head around. I think eventually they realize that it can't be forgiven but it has to be very hard to connect what you thought was a happy childhood and a loving father to the monster that killed your mother. I know my words are jumbled, it is just a very emotional thing and I can't judge them for not wanting to lose everything they thought they had. I see them as victims too.
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I'm not sure if she would tell the truth on the stand. She was painfully evasive and defended Lori in her interviews.
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If he becomes indigent, the court would have to appoint a death penalty-qualified attorney. That's how JA ended on the case. LV was deemed indigent.
ETA- I can't remember but I think it requires TWO DP qualified (Both JA & JT are)
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I agree he probably wouldn't take a plea deal, he would probably consider himself a martyr , crucified not executed
Lori Vallow Daybell will not testify.
Before jurors are brought in, Blake says there is a clerical error in the indictment. She would like to get it corrected and submit an amended indictment to the court. The defense and Boyce are not aware of the error.
Looks like state is getting ready to rest. #lorivallowtrial
Before jurors are brought in, Blake says there is a clerical error in the indictment. She would like to get it corrected and submit an amended indictment to the court. The defense and Boyce are not aware of the error.
Looks like state is getting ready to rest. #lorivallowtrial
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Let’s not forget that translated beings cannot die. If I’m not mistaken that included CD, LVD, & AC. Also, since CD & LVD had multiple lives before this one that they cannot be punished for what they do in this life as it is just to carry out the mission. I think the same protection from punishment was also extended to AC after one of CD’s blessings even though AC was a first timer and had no previous lives.I agree he probably wouldn't take a plea deal, he would probably consider himself a martyr , crucified not executed
Even Cathy Russon says that Gigi is reporting for Law & Crime!
Gigi @PrettyLiesAlibi and I are on opposites sides of the courtroom reporting for
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. She is closer to the evidence monitor and jury. I'm closer to the defense table with a good shot of #LoriVallow. Follow both of us - we're here until verdict!
Gigi @PrettyLiesAlibi and I are on opposites sides of the courtroom reporting for
@LawCrimeNetwork
. She is closer to the evidence monitor and jury. I'm closer to the defense table with a good shot of #LoriVallow. Follow both of us - we're here until verdict!
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Clerical error on the indictment, is anybody surprised?
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I think you nailed it.
They just figured it out now … as they are getting ready to rest?
State motions to amend the indictment against #LoriVallowDaybell due to some clerical errors. Should be theft by deception not theft by possession. And in count 5 on overt act 10 instead of saying Alex went to the gun range within monthS, it should be month.
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