Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #57

[nhmemorymaker]

But there were witnesses there when JJ went missing.

I just find it so hard to believe that MG, MP, IP and others believed that Tylee was just "off with friends" every time they were around. I mean...like... for hours and days ???
They didnt wonder ??? They just believed LVD ??
They are either in the know or very gullible, either way they need to step up.
I know MG has stepped up but I still think she is holding back things, and I will give her a bit of a break and say, she may be holding back things because LE asked her to do so.
I still don't trust her though

i am pretty much on the same page as you are......... There is too much that does not align with the truth.

MG has never appeared to be the stable one in the stable, and yet she is being portrayed that way.

There is clearly something of a rift between MG and Tylee... I am convinced MG believed the zombie stuff.

Her boyfriend is not an upstanding angel either. I have heard some of his outlandish conspiracy talks..... I think there was always a dueling banjos between Warwick and Chad as well.

I always come away with questions of what is still being convered up.....

 

[nhmemorymaker]

This is posted, if not allowed please delete. Information on complaints by Joe Ryan about LV in regards to Tyler. Some of the info may have been posted earlier.

NEW Obtained Documents in Joe Ryan’s Fight for Tylee Ryan | WTAF

This report is unbearable. Just such evil. I am more convinced than ever, that LV had something to do with Joe's death. JMO. But it is quite obvious that she would do anything to make life impossible for this man. Anything. And yet, he never gave up.

I am all too well aware of a man who suffered under a "LV-type" woman.... It can be so hard for a man to get justice in these cases. In the case of my acquaintance, he ended up having to declare bankruptcy from all the legal expenses, and he, like Joe, actually got judges to rule in his favor over the lies and inappropriate behavior of the mother....but, in the end, the courts never really pressed on the mother, though he did get 1/2 custody back........but it was all so painful to watch over those years of battling.... and it is clear to me, the suffering has had a toll on the child as well.

 

[altojack]

This report is unbearable. Just such evil. I am more convinced than ever, that LV had something to do with Joe's death. JMO. But it is quite obvious that she would do anything to make life impossible for this man. Anything. And yet, he never gave up.

I am all too well aware of a man who suffered under a "LV-type" woman.... It can be so hard for a man to get justice in these cases. In the case of my acquaintance, he ended up having to declare bankruptcy from all the legal expenses, and he, like Joe, actually got judges to rule in his favor over the lies and inappropriate behavior of the mother....but, in the end, the courts never really pressed on the mother, though he did get 1/2 custody back........but it was all so painful to watch over those years of battling.... and it is clear to me, the suffering has had a toll on the child as well.

I had already had a read of some court docs about the allegations about Joe. So I started reading this offering but had to stop around 3 paragraphs in.

Tears started to fall, as I still remembered what Joe went through. I have been back and just finished reading it. Disgusting the way his life was ruined, by this evil wicked woman. What Tylee must have gone through at the same time and at such a young age and what it did to her, I just hate to think.

Joe was no angel, but who is? He loved his one and only child and wanted time with her, that's all.

 

[nyvictoria]

i am pretty much on the same page as you are......... There is too much that does not align with the truth.

MG has never appeared to be the stable one in the stable, and yet she is being portrayed that way.

There is clearly something of a rift between MG and Tylee... I am convinced MG believed the zombie stuff.

Her boyfriend is not an upstanding angel either. I have heard some of his outlandish conspiracy talks..... I think there was always a dueling banjos between Warwick and Chad as well.

I always come away with questions of what is still being convered up.....

Add me to the group. Something about MG just rubs me the wrong way.

 

[nyvictoria]

This report is unbearable. Just such evil. I am more convinced than ever, that LV had something to do with Joe's death. JMO. But it is quite obvious that she would do anything to make life impossible for this man. Anything. And yet, he never gave up.

I am all too well aware of a man who suffered under a "LV-type" woman.... It can be so hard for a man to get justice in these cases. In the case of my acquaintance, he ended up having to declare bankruptcy from all the legal expenses, and he, like Joe, actually got judges to rule in his favor over the lies and inappropriate behavior of the mother....but, in the end, the courts never really pressed on the mother, though he did get 1/2 custody back........but it was all so painful to watch over those years of battling.... and it is clear to me, the suffering has had a toll on the child as well.

I may have posted about this already but I had a male friend who was trying to get custody from his lying ex who brainwashed their daughter into believing she was sexually assaulted by her dad. He also got full custody but his daughter was so traumatized by her mother’s lies and the ensuing physical exams and interviews that he knew it wouldn’t be in her best interests to be forced to live with him. She was raised by his sister. Despite years of counseling, she still believes she was molested by her dad. She clearly remembers incidents that never happened and she feels her mother would not have lied and put her through all of that if it wasn’t true. Her mother admitted to the court that she lied but then later told her daughter she only said that because she was threatened.

A vengeful spouse is capable of massive destruction that can last a lifetime.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Local update: MM was not at the women’s detention center today.

 

[Doghairrules]

Local update: MM was not at the women’s detention center today.

So two days in a row, right? Lover’s quarrel?

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

So two days in a row, right? Lover’s quarrel?

Right. But that doesn’t mean something inappropriate is happening. There could be so many reasons why he’s not visiting.

All jmo moo imo

 

[carbuff]

I'm very surprised that the Companies involved are permitted to do this. Mind you, they haven't started filming yet so there is time for a block to be put on it. Whoever puts in the complaint will have to act quickly I would imagine.

There's nothing that can be done about it. Free speech, free press, and all that.

 

[Kemug]

Lori is really a "piece of work", isn't she? How many people throughout her life (probably mostly males) has she batted her eyelashes at, seduced, charmed, conned, lied about, lied to, tricked, blamed? I truly pray this is the end of it.

 

[Ruminations]

It was an interesting point to bring up. I had wondered why the emergency responders had jumped to the conclusion drugs were involved with somebody reportedly so clean living, but if they saw these, it makes more sense.

My take is that the first officers who were securing the scene were told that a search warrant was being sought and detectives were on the way...and that "they" were already working something on "him." The first officers did not know what it was that was being investigated. So, when there were moments to talk to each other and speculate, they did. This probably made the blow torches that could be drug prep/use equipment, stand out.

It caught my attention that Zulema, after Alex was pronounced dead, said something about wishing she could go upstairs to say goodbye when she already had played all of her cards and learned there was no way police were going to leave unless denied a search warrant. Go upstairs to say goodbye? 1) She was there, giving chest compressions. 2) She was also at the hospital with him barely alive and after he passed. 3) The bedroom now was likely littered with all kinds of excretions from all bodily openings plus litter from opening various kinds of sterile medical devices used in an attempt to revive Alex

I would rather say goodbye to a picture of him alive (dang! should have sprung for the photo package in Vegas!) or his body looking cleaned up and comfortable. I can't see myself wanting to enter that bedroom. I would have others clean it up, and, if I needed items before that was completed, I would ask others to get them.

What was she trying to beat the officers to in the bedroom?

And in a related question/speculative answer to myself, is this when investigators and the FBI got and analyzed Alex's phone location data?

 

[Ruminations]

Things I wonder about:

Was the blessing on speakerphone, in the same manner as when MG spoke with Chad and Lori on the recorded call? Somehow, I think that Chad and Lori had no secrets between them at this point.

Where does Chad's phone call to Samantha line up with this day? I am referring to Samantha saying on Dateline that Chad called her and wanted to know if she'd heard anything about Tammy being exhumed. Samantha knew nothing about it and she and her husband went to the cemetery to see if it was true. Apparently the Daybell children knew nothing about it, either. So who informed Chad that Tammy had been exhumed?

How did Chad know? Maybe officials informed him, because he was next of kin and had declined an autopsy. Perhaps he was entitled to know that officials had overruled him. Just a guess.

Chad could have jumped to the conclusion that Samantha was behind it, being that she asked so many reasonable - no, make that conspiratorial - questions.

 

[carbuff]

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I would rather say goodbye to a picture of him alive (dang! should have sprung for the photo package in Vegas!) or his body looking cleaned up and comfortable. I can't see myself wanting to enter that bedroom. I would have others clean it up, and, if I needed items before that was completed, I would ask others to get them.

What was she trying to beat the officers to in the bedroom?

There are people (my grandmother was one of them) who believe that the spirit of the person remains close to the place where they die. She never visited graves much because she thought that was just a dignified place to dispose of what the deceased person didn't need any more, but she did visit the site of the car accident where a friend of hers died.

I think it's the same idea behind people leaving mementoes and tributes at the site of accidents and disasters.

Not saying this is what Z meant, but it is a common enough attitude. And of course it could have been both spiritual and the pragmatic desire to tamper with evidence.

 

[Ruminations]

Can I bring up an old subject?

Does anybody know the layout where Tami was shot at?

1) I feel like Tami had to know or think she knew much more about what had happened to her---enough to decide not to "over" react publicly. Such as, she believed that it was an unloaded paintball gun and strongly suspected that her husband was behind the "prank," and did not think it was a serious attempt on her life. She could have decided that she would also suffer if she caused her husband legal trouble - but she wanted to make it clear that she was not going to shrink in fear. If she didn't know- or think she knew- that this was not a serious attempt on her life, I don't think she reacted in proportion to the circumstances.

2) Is the layout such that any bullets, if the shots were from a real, silenced gun, could have landed someplace quiet? Like in a distant tree, field, or wood structure? I don't know much about guns, but I imagine if she were between the shooter and her house, for instance, a missed shot that hit the house would be noticed. (She was bringing in groceries, right? I imagine she parked as near the door as she could.) On the other hand, a missed shot that flew into the distance --- could be unnoticed by her? I guess someone who knows more about firearms will have to comment.

I apologize if this has already been discussed. But I am finding myself wondering if there are not bullets somewhere in Rexburg- that missed Tami high and to the right.

Edited to continue: There may be more information about where the shooter stood- where Tami stood, etc. But I saw a picture of the "front driveway" and it does seem plausible to me that the gunman appeared from the left of the house, facing it. This would put him "behind" the car from Tami's perspective, no matter how she parked. (But the pic I saw had a car backed into the driveway.) He would have to get a shot while her head was high enough to miss the car. If he were really behind the car as in next the doors on the side further away from the home's front door, and he took the shot when she was physically closer to the house than she, he would hit the house. But if he shot parallel to the house...it is plausible that the bullet sailed away silently.

 

[nyvictoria]

There are people (my grandmother was one of them) who believe that the spirit of the person remains close to the place where they die. She never visited graves much because she thought that was just a dignified place to dispose of what the deceased person didn't need any more, but she did visit the site of the car accident where a friend of hers died.

I think it's the same idea behind people leaving mementoes and tributes at the site of accidents and disasters.

Not saying this is what Z meant, but it is a common enough attitude. And of course it could have been both spiritual and the pragmatic desire to tamper with evidence.

My grandmother felt the same about departed friends and loved ones.

As for ZP, if we’re voting, I vote for tampering. I don’t believe there’s a scintilla of true spirituality in any of these people. All of their supposed beliefs focus on how entitled and special they are and the “darkness” of all those who don’t agree or dare to question Chad’s ridiculous doctrine. It’s just a bunch of bull he dreamed up to justify murder.

 

[nyvictoria]

Can I bring up an old subject?

Does anybody know the layout where Tami was shot at?

1) I feel like Tami had to know or think she knew much more about what had happened to her---enough to decide not to "over" react publicly. Such as, she believed that it was an unloaded paintball gun and strongly suspected that her husband was behind the "prank," and did not think it was a serious attempt on her life. She could have decided that she would also suffer if she caused her husband legal trouble - but she wanted to make it clear that she was not going to shrink in fear. If she didn't know- or think she knew- that this was not a serious attempt on her life, I don't think she reacted in proportion to the circumstances.

2) Is the layout such that any bullets, if the shots were from a real, silenced gun, could have landed someplace quiet? Like in a distant tree, field, or wood structure? I don't know much about guns, but I imagine if she were between the shooter and her house, for instance, a missed shot that hit the house would be noticed. (She was bringing in groceries, right? I imagine she parked as near the door as she could.) On the other hand, a missed shot that flew into the distance --- could be unnoticed by her? I guess someone who knows more about firearms will have to comment.

I apologize if this has already been discussed. But I am finding myself wondering if there are not bullets somewhere in Rexburg- that missed Tami high and to the right.

You bring up good points. I’ve always wondered how she decided it was a paintball gun and not a rifle. They can be almost indistinguishable. I suppose a high speed paintball gun fired at the head and up close could be lethal but why use that if you have access to a real rifle. As for any stray bullets, did Chad and/or Alex go searching after the failed attempt? Were they confident Tammy would not file a complaint with LE or did Chad have to work to convince her it had to be a prank? It’s possible Tammy initially thought it was a real rifle.

 

[DI_Isokawa]

You bring up good points. I’ve always wondered how she decided it was a paintball gun and not a rifle. They can be almost indistinguishable. I suppose a high speed paintball gun fired at the head and up close could be lethal but why use that if you have access to a real rifle. As for any stray bullets, did Chad and/or Alex go searching after the failed attempt? Were they confident Tammy would not file a complaint with LE or did Chad have to work to convince her it had to be a prank? It’s possible Tammy initially thought it was a real rifle.

It is possible that the absence of a loud gunshot caused her to draw such a conclusion. There was a similar situation in the BB attempt; no reports of people hearing a conventional gunshot. This has led to speculation that Alex owned a rifle equipped with a suppressor, but I am unaware of any solid evidence supporting that surmise.

 

[indicolite22]

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Yeah. Like, why didn't the Mr. Blessings call 911? Why didn't Zulema call 911? Leave it to the kid who doesn't know Dude married his mother. As soon as they arrived, police knew this was a potential bigger crime scene, but the police on the scene didn't know what was going on. (Hence, speculating that the "blow torches" had something to do with their being told to secure the poopie out of the house.)

To me, it seems like Zulema believed she was being set up-- like she was worried that Chad and Lori were setting her up to be a "suspect." I can't entirely articulate what makes me think this, but it is the first feeling I got when I heard she asked, "Am I a suspect?"

I think I got that feeling because Zulema may have asked herself why Chad and Lori didn't call 911, and then she kicked it down a level by not calling 911 herself, fearing that Chad and Lori might know something she did not.
Just trying to figure this out.

Chad and Lori were trying to stay under radar. Calling the authorities wouldn't be in line with their scheme. They needed someone "neutral" to find Alex.

 

[indicolite22]

But there were witnesses there when JJ went missing.

I just find it so hard to believe that MG, MP, IP and others believed that Tylee was just "off with friends" every time they were around. I mean...like... for hours and days ???
They didnt wonder ??? They just believed LVD ??
They are either in the know or very gullible, either way they need to step up.
I know MG has stepped up but I still think she is holding back things, and I will give her a bit of a break and say, she may be holding back things because LE asked her to do so.
I still don't trust her though

BBM. MG was only visiting Lori for a few days in contrast with MP who lived next door to her. MP had to have known that something was wrong - she admitted it to IP*. He likely never met Lori's kids. IMO MG believed Lori or at least didn't question her and Chad's motives. Nobody expects their friends to be capable of child murder. MG wasn't curious about Tylee's whereabouts because the two didn't bond.

I don't have a feeling that MG is holding back anything when it comes to Lori's children. No doubt she was indoctrinated into Chad's cult at one time, but I don't think that involved knowledge of murders. There's no indication that anyone else apart from Lori and Chad benefited from the deaths. They didn't need additional witnesses to their crimes.

ETA: * I remembered that MP later claimed that her information came from MG. It looks like the latter tried to warn her around the time she went to police.

 

[indicolite22]

i am pretty much on the same page as you are......... There is too much that does not align with the truth.

Do we know the truth? The court will try to establish what is what. Why would a witness lie in court? They could easily get caught and render their testimony useless.

MG has never appeared to be the stable one in the stable, and yet she is being portrayed that way.

MG wasn't the one plotting to murder her husband and children. Being a religious fanatic (or a gullible follower) isn't a crime. Without the murders we wouldn't have heard of Chad and Lori. They would have been all still debating the end of the world in conferences and podcasts.

There is clearly something of a rift between MG and Tylee...

Of course none of us knows the truth about their relationship or lack thereof. It's possible that there was mutual dislike. Or maybe just disinterest. Perhaps MG just doesn't engage with her friends' children. Unlike Lori who was like a second mother to one of Tylee's friends. It doesn't mean much.

I am convinced MG believed the zombie stuff.

There's no proof that she did, although it's possible. I think she said in an interview that she never fully believed. At the same time she was ashamed of her gullibility. The zombie theory had no consequence for MG if she wasn't trying to murder anyone based on it.
Did Tylee believe in zombies? Or did she think that Chad and Lori were false prophets / scam artists and MG their groupie?

Her boyfriend is not an upstanding angel either. I have heard some of his outlandish conspiracy talks..... I think there was always a dueling banjos between Warwick and Chad as well.
I always come away with questions of what is still being convered up.....

You mean her husband... Being a conspiracy nut isn't a crime. Murdering people is. MG and DW were among the chosen 144k. Why in the world would they get involved in murders that only benefited Chad and Lori? Lori repeatedly lied to MG (and everybody else) about JJ's whereabouts. She never told her that he was dead. Once MG and DW realized what was going on, they jumped ship (and so did Chad's friend CP, although much later). All IMO.