Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #2

[BigAl16]

Police just seems slow and inept to me. Supposedly, when Brandon's (husband of Lori's niece) was shot at (attempted murder), surveillance video caught it (again, per youtube show). But no arrests have been made, even though the crime is supposedly on video, supposedly including the car from which the shot was made. If police can't make an arrest in a crime that is on video, what exactly can we expect when something isn't on video?

Not saying you're wrong, but we're talking about at least 3 different police departments in two states here, depending on which situations you're talking about. Brandon's wife was somewhere in AZ, I think. (Not sure if Gilbert, Chandler, or elsewhere in the PHX metro.) Then a county sheriff in Idaho for Tammy's death and a small town police department in a neighboring county for the kids being missing.

Edit to add: Plus possibly the FBI.

 

[oviedo]

Aunt Of Missing Idaho Kids Reveals Their Mom & Stepdad's Involvement In Secret 'Cult' (yep, radaronline is allowed here lol)

Article with video

"Now Woodcock, whose brother, Charles, was shot to death in July by his estranged wife Vallow’s brother, who died on December 12, revealed that her only hope is that her grandchildren can be brought back safely.

“I’m not worried for Lori one bit, she made her bed. My hope is that she gets apprehended and has to face a jury. That’s my hope. So that’s what we pray,” said Woodcock. “I quit worrying about her a long time ago when she wouldn’t let us see our [nephew] after my brother died, after he was murdered. After they murdered him, she would not allow me to see him or talk to him.”

yikes!! (posted in their media thread)

 

[mickey2942]

Weather is definitely in the fugitives favor, there hasn't been a lot of snow, or even severely cold weather conditions in Montana, Idaho or even Utah for December.

If there is some sort of "prepper" hidey hole, they may well have had access to it, even in areas normally inaccessible this time of year.

Cameras are helpful, if LEO knows what car they are driving. The "good" news is that even hard core preppers do go into town once in awhile, and if they are near small towns in Montana, Idaho, folks will notice them, and alert LEO.

 

[oviedo]

What it sounds like Tylee stopped using social media (and that comes from Lori's friend), stopped really communicating with her friends, was not in school. I don't think she had a job either. So what was she doing all day? We are talking about 17 year old girl here, what was causing all these behaviors (not using social media, not communicating much with friends, etc)? Her older brother, unfortunately, doesn't even sound like he communicated with Tylee in recent months?

I wonder if the restrictions (if they were) started before she disappeared? it's unusual IMO.

 

[Vail]

What land does Chad Daybell have access to where he could build a doomsday shelter?

Is there still legit reason to believe they are in Hawaii? If so, it is only a matter of time before the FBI finds them. If they're in the wilds of the PNW, may be a little more difficult.

 

[claudianunes]

I mean, I understand having a hard time believing someone you love and have known for a long time would do something crazy like this. But, in my opinion, people don't run just for funsies... they're hidding because there's something they don't want to get out. Sorry.

 

[cody22]

I wonder when the last verified sighting of Tylee was, and who saw her. Maybe I’m reading too far into things but they just say she has been gone since September, where as they give a precise date for the last verified sighting of Joshua. I feel like it would be more expected for them to say that she hasn’t been seen since close to the end of September, since that was his last sighting. Could something have happened to Tylee first? I think we are all operating under the assumption that they went missing together, but maybe they didn’t.

BUMP.... This ^^^.....I want to know when( and where) did the last real/honest person see Tylee alive......moo

 

[BigAl16]

What land does Chad Daybell have access to where he could build a doomsday shelter?.

He and Tammy own a house which is in a rural area, but presumably has received some attention from LE. I don't think anyone has found evidence that he owns other land elsewhere that might work for that. But if the rumors of him being involved in a group of like minded individuals the possibility of someone else in the group having land and a hideaway that they might be using seems pretty decent, IMO. As far as that goes, something on public land couldn't be completely ruled out. The area of Idaho they're in is a whole lot more mountains and open spaces than developed land.

 

[BigAl16]

BUMP.... This ^^^.....I want to know when( and where) did the last real/honest person see Tylee alive......moo

I'm guessing who ever they found that said they had seen Tylee couldn't nail down the exact date. I'd guess that just means that they saw her in passing and it wasn't at a place or while doing something outside of their norm where they could nail down the specific day (at a doctor appointment, after Tammy's funeral, etc). The date for JJ is based on school attendance records, obviously. MOO.

I find it strange that some of Chad and Tammy's kids who have been saying on social media that JJ and Tylee are okay haven't come forward and said they have seen them since mid-October (assuming that would be reported, if it happened and LE found it credible). They seem to know the kids exist, yet aren't saying they've seen them. That seems strange to me. MOO.

 

[jjenny]

Not saying you're wrong, but we're talking about at least 3 different police departments in two states here, depending on which situations you're talking about. Brandon's wife was somewhere in AZ, I think. (Not sure if Gilbert, Chandler, or elsewhere in the PHX metro.) Then a county sheriff in Idaho for Tammy's death and a small town police department in a neighboring county for the kids being missing.

Edit to add: Plus possibly the FBI.

I don't see any department here moving at more than a turtle speed. Even with the kids, they presumably went missing late September, it was discovered in late November, and public only found out in late December?

 

[oviedo]

BUMP.... This ^^^.....I want to know when( and where) did the last real/honest person see Tylee alive......moo

Joshua and Tylee were last seen on September 23, 2019 in Rexburg, Idaho
ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019*MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE*NO DISCUSSION

this is what was first reported - so did they just lump them together or was this an independent sighting of the two of them together?

 

[jjenny]

Joshua and Tylee were last seen on September 23, 2019 in Rexburg, Idaho
ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019*MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE*NO DISCUSSION

this is what was first reported - so did they just lump them together or was this an independent sighting of the two of them together?

Joshua was last in school on September 23rd. So I think it's more likely they lumped them together, unless Tylee came to pick him up from school?

 

[oviedo]

He and Tammy own a house which is in a rural area, but presumably has received some attention from LE. I don't think anyone has found evidence that he owns other land elsewhere that might work for that. But if the rumors of him being involved in a group of like minded individuals the possibility of someone else in the group having land and a hideaway that they might be using seems pretty decent, IMO. As far as that goes, something on public land couldn't be completely ruled out. The area of Idaho they're in is a whole lot more mountains and open spaces than developed land.

I googled the address from the article - it's an apartment building. Could they have it wrong?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...s-statement/&usg=AOvVaw0DfAhTa3YlZAdfaZfHR3N9

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An attorney representing a Rexburg couple says he is in contact them but ... Police went to their home at 565 Pioneer Road in Rexburg after relatives ... where police conducted a welfare check and served a search warrant in ...

 

[jjenny]

I googled the address from the article - it's an apartment building. Could they have it wrong?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjcxternNTmAhWGr1kKHXFPASYQFjAAegQIAhAB&url=https://www.eastidahonews.com/2019/12/attorney-representing-parents-of-missing-rexburg-children-issues-statement/&usg=AOvVaw0DfAhTa3YlZAdfaZfHR3N9

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An attorney representing a Rexburg couple says he is in contact them but ... Police went to their home at 565 Pioneer Road in Rexburg after relatives ... where police conducted a welfare check and served a search warrant in ...

That's Lori's address, not Chads. I think Lori was renting. It's not wrong, it's just not Chad's house.

 

[oviedo]

That's Lori's address, not Chads. I think Lori was renting. It's not wrong, it's just not Chad's house.

so the search warrant was for Lori only? even though they are married and live together? hmmmm

 

[cody22]

dbm...moo

 

[jjenny]

so the search warrant was for Lori only? even though they are married and live together? hmmmm

I am assuming they moved together to that address.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Since LE didn't believe JJ was with them when they left and LE also did not release a vehicle description, I wonder if someone gave Lori and Chad a ride somewhere (such as to a bus stop, train station, airport, etc) and perhaps told LE about it when the search warrants were served? I just noticed that it says Family members (plural) found Tammy Daybell dead at home. Did an adult child or other extended family member still live at home? If so, it may be all the more reason that the Daybell children are remaining silent in the public. They may also be witnesses that could say that JJ and Tylee were last see before their mother died and before Lori and Chad married (OR that they never met Tylee and JJ at all). MOO.

I suspect one or more individuals have either provided transportation or a vehicle to facilitate Chad and Lori moving around, providing a phone or computer as well as places to stay and/or money. These aren't necessarily people who would be connected directly to either of them - they could be staying with or received transportation from a friend of a friend. The people aiding them will believe the word of Chad and Lori over law enforcement no matter how much information comes out about the situation. Chad and Lori are also likely in communication with family or a close friend (or three) by using a cut-out (indirect) method. For example, contacting a neighbor of the family member to pass a message and then the family member passing a message back via that same neighbor (or even a different neighbor).

 

[cody22]

I suspect one or more individuals have either provided transportation or a vehicle to facilitate Chad and Lori moving around, providing a phone or computer as well as places to stay and/or money. These aren't necessarily people who would be connected directly to either of them - they could be staying with or received transportation from a friend of a friend. The people aiding them will believe the word of Chad and Lori over law enforcement no matter how much information comes out about the situation. Chad and Lori are also likely in communication with family or a close friend (or three) by using a cut-out (indirect) method. For example, contacting a neighbor of the family member to pass a message and then the family member passing a message back via that same neighbor (or even a different neighbor).

Bingo.....Agreed on all counts....Opinion - They have gone "grey man underground" and using a "middle man" to contact their Lawyer ( Attorney/Client Privilege) only.....Chad probably now has a beard and Lori is now a brunette.....LOL !....The biggest question - Where are those two kids ?.......moo

 

[MassGuy]

Bingo.....Agreed on all counts....Opinion - They have gone "grey man underground" and using a "middle man" to contact their Lawyer ( Attorney/Client Privilege) only.....Chad probably now has a beard and Lori is now a brunette.....LOL !....The biggest question - Where are those two kids ?.......moo

Plot twist: Chad is now a blonde, and Lori has a beard.

This is among the strangest cases I’ve ever come across. Two people, a trail of mysterious deaths, and two missing children.

This case has generated quite a bit of media attention, but not nearly the amount it is deserving of.

They’re going to have a lot of explaining to do when they are ultimately captured.