Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #2

[osu]

Their lawyer speaks of them in present tense, just worded oddly to note he had been a loving husband to TD:
The couple’s lawyer released a statement Monday night saying: “Chad Daybell was a loving husband and has the support of his children in this matter. Lori Daybell is a devoted mother and resents assertions to the contrary. We look forward to addressing the allegations once they have moved beyond speculation and rumor.”

Thank you for clarifying!

 

[maureen718]

Does anyone know how many siblings Lori has? I know of two and both are deceased. It seems both her parents are alive. JMO but I think it's highly possible Lori is involved with her sister's death. I wonder who cared for Melani after her mother died?

 

[tresir2012]

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[diggndeeperstill]

Thanks for the tip! I had no idea!

Wow! Thanks so much, and glad this is going in the media thread. Just an FYI as to your comment as to the video going faster. When on youtube, got to the setting wheel, and you can speed it up or slow it down. I often listen at 1.5 speed to some folks on youtube. You can understand and goes much faster. Especially with casts that last so long such as Gray's.

HTH, and thanks, as I had just listened to his 2 from last night and forgot myself to do such.

 

[SuperTmo]

What I don't understand, though, is when and why did she remove herself and CD from the driving off the cliff equation?

probably right after they killed the children and then it was their turns and they realized that maybe the idea of being dead isn’t so appealing after all. Like those cowards who claim to set out to do a murder-suicide and only manage to be successful with the murder part. MOO

 

[diggndeeperstill]

One of the things I’d like to figure out is what the thought was with the kids in the cult. It seems one way to know would be melani. If true she didn’t show to her own kids custody hearing, according to Gray’s video, it seems she didn’t want to be bothered with them either.

Can anyone clarify our rules for me when it comes to discussing things in the media when it comes to other people? Does that make us able to discuss and sleuth to confirm fact or fiction? For instance could I research these divorce records to see if she was indeed present at hearing?

 

[tresir2012]

I agree with you that the adult Daybell children are probably being smart to not do MSM interviews. However, it seems like Lori and Chad's lawyer was speaking on the children's behalf (BBM):

On Monday, attorney Sean Bartholick, of Rigby, Andrus & Rigby, issued the following statement on the Daybells’ behalf to East Idaho News:

“Chad Daybell was a loving husband and has the support of his children in this matter. Lori Daybell is a devoted mother and resents assertions to the contrary. We look forward to addressing the allegations once they have moved beyond speculation and rumor.”

Chad Daybell: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

Would an attorney make that kind of statement without consulting with the Daybell children? I don't believe so. I'm taking the above as their statement on the situation. They are supporting their father and his new wife and probably believing whatever story Lori and Chad have told them. If that is their position then there is no reason they would be posting on their social media pleading for JJ and Tylee to be found.

Of course, the Daybell children shouldn't be attacked for supporting the only father they have ever known. I can't really blame them for wanting to believe him but I pray there will come a point when they beg their father and Lori to tell the truth and reveal where the missing kids are. Either Lori and Chad can produce JJ and Tylee alive and well or they can't, because something tragic happened to them. Those close to Chad and Lori may have great power and may be key to bringing this whole thing to a peaceful resolution. If any of the Daybell children or Lori's older son reads here I hope they realize their influence and beg Lori and Chad for the location of the children. JJ needs his medication (if he is alive). This situation is dire.

MOO.

Ok bringing forward Gardener's link that mentions past tense. This has the lawyer statement and another statement that mentions past tense.

From JJ grandmother,

“He’s a beautiful, intelligent 7 y/o with the biggest heart, most beautiful smile & has life challenges of a level 2 boy on the Autism spectrum. Early intervention allowed him to flourish beyond all expectations. Lori was a wonderful, loving, attentive mother. Things started changing over the past 18+ months when Lori began spending all her time with a new religious group, that we refer to as a ‘cult.'”

Was a wonderful loving attentive mother?

So the lawyer said "was", the grandmother said "was" (and another publication said "was" a good author but I cannot find that last one now.)

 

[SuperTmo]

The last time I personally was in contact with Chad was probably Tammy's funeral, and for some family members about a week after remarrying (I heard about him marrying Lori exactly 2 weeks after Tammy's funeral). He included nothing about kids and said he would never visit the family in Utah or something like that. We were all pretty upset by that, because it felt disrespectful to Tammy's memory to instantly detach from the family. At the time he was in Hawaii and apparently told his parents they were free to visit, though I don't know if they did. No one knew he planned to remarry, and we were all in disbelief at the fact that he would remarry 2 weeks after Tammy's death. (I wanted to add: this marriage, if actually officiated, must have been a civil marriage. Getting a temple marriage for your first marriage is enough of a process as it is, let alone this being a 2nd or 5th/6th marriage.)

The kids seem to in large part be defending their father, not his actions. They've been hooked up with a lawyer by Chad (I assume the same one as him, I don't know though) and have gone deleting social media posts and blocking family members on social media. I personally evaded the ban hammer from all but 1 of them, so I've seen most of their Facebook feeds and what relates (and more importantly what doesn't) to recent discoveries. It at first sounded like they were upset that people would suggest their dad could have anything to do with the missing kids, and one cousin-in-law of mine is recounted as saying "Blocking all the two-faced people right now" just before blocking the entire Douglas side of the family. But now they're mostly silent, sending maybe an image with text indirectly suggesting that the truth isn't always out there to see.

I’m sorry for what you and your family are going through. I’m sure this is super shocking.

I’m still a few pages behind so if you have already answered this, disregard my question because I’ll find the answer soon! My question was how was Chad’s demeanor after Tammy died? Was he seeming shocked? Sad? In denial? Or was he just kind of whatever about it, not seeming too impacted? If he seemed sad did you think his grief seemed genuine?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Interview with Larry and Kay 11/26/2019

Post interview discussion 11/26/2019

 

[maureen718]

I'm not sure @diggndeeperstill. Melani's husband Brandon has accused her of trying to have him killed by Alex, does that mean she is sleuth able? Where is she? Is she missing also?

 

[SuziQ]

The last time I personally was in contact with Chad was probably Tammy's funeral, and for some family members about a week after remarrying (I heard about him marrying Lori exactly 2 weeks after Tammy's funeral). He included nothing about kids and said he would never visit the family in Utah or something like that. We were all pretty upset by that, because it felt disrespectful to Tammy's memory to instantly detach from the family. At the time he was in Hawaii and apparently told his parents they were free to visit, though I don't know if they did. No one knew he planned to remarry, and we were all in disbelief at the fact that he would remarry 2 weeks after Tammy's death. (I wanted to add: this marriage, if actually officiated, must have been a civil marriage. Getting a temple marriage for your first marriage is enough of a process as it is, let alone this being a 2nd or 5th/6th marriage.)

The kids seem to in large part be defending their father, not his actions. They've been hooked up with a lawyer by Chad (I assume the same one as him, I don't know though) and have gone deleting social media posts and blocking family members on social media. I personally evaded the ban hammer from all but 1 of them, so I've seen most of their Facebook feeds and what relates (and more importantly what doesn't) to recent discoveries. It at first sounded like they were upset that people would suggest their dad could have anything to do with the missing kids, and one cousin-in-law of mine is recounted as saying "Blocking all the two-faced people right now" just before blocking the entire Douglas side of the family. But now they're mostly silent, sending maybe an image with text indirectly suggesting that the truth isn't always out there to see.

I hope Chad's children talk to LE and tell them every thing they know. I would hate for them to get drug down by Chad's crimes. They could easily get ten years for obstruction of justice and accessories after the fact. I wonder if anyone has explained that to them?

 

[SuperTmo]

Close friend of missing Idaho children speaks about their disappearance

Idaho police say time is slipping away in case of missing siblings - CNN

yeah time is slipping away. Partly because it took 3 weeks from the time they realized the kids were unaccounted for and the adults had burned rubber out of town, to when they realized the first police press release. That 3 weeks is a huge loss.

 

[Gardener1850]

So my daughter Vaisia is the one interviewed here, and I know it seems like she isn't too concerned. The reason is that a couple weeks before the story became news, my daughter was pulled out of class and questioned by a detective about Tylee and was told that Lori wasn't telling where she was. My daughter knows and loves Lori and knew Tylee wasn't missing because of a stranger abduction or anything. She cannot consider that Lori would harm Tylee or JJ so if Lori is responsible for Tylee being missing, then Tylee must be ok and there must be some logical reason for Lori hiding her.

Can you help us think of some "logical reasons" that Tylee is being hidden by Lori? I understand wanting to believe she is alive but why would she need to be hidden from the FBI? And why hide from family members too? Even Tylee's older brother says he doesn't know where Tylee and JJ are... how does someone keep a teenager from contacting her best friends and closest family members? What reasons would a teen agree to that? Wherever Tylee is she has been deprived of her freedom at the very least-- freedom to communicate with the outside world and freedom to leave when she chooses to. She doesn't have her car and probably doesn't have her phone or other devices. Can you help us figure out some places that Lori could be hiding Tylee for several months and Tylee wouldn't try to contact even her closest friends and family members? And what about JJ? He needs his medicine. How would Lori keep him quiet and calm and safe at the same time if he doesn't have his required medicine? Or do you only think Tylee is being hidden and maybe some accident happened to JJ? Please share your theories with us.

 

[mickey2942]

Maybe this went over my head in the thread but I'm looking at Rexburg out of curiosity. It's like 98% Mormon. Rexburg's temple is impressive. IF Chad was excommunicated, it must have been rough (or not) to be in a community that no matter where you look, you get a reminder. JMO.

Rexburg, ID is extremely difficult for new folks. It is cliquey, and I feel sorry for Tylee, she would have never fit in there. With a single divorced Mom, it is like having a scarlet "A" on your chest.

Believe me, I guess Lori moved there because she was infatuated with Chad. Because SLC is a better choice for Tylee and JJ. Special Education programs are okay in Idaho, but much better services in a larger metro area.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Interesting theory.

Do you see any connection in what you see to people effectively 'wiping' out their past and past relationships either by 'murder' or less violently by 'ghosting'?

When you look at the GH 'org chart' the number of suspicious circumstances that surround the people in Lori and Chad's lives is quite stunning IMO. I'm trying to see if perhaps this 'reinvention of personal history' might somehow be part of the Chad message in some way? The idea that others could buy in to this sick concept (if it exists of course) on a larger scale is beyond frightening and of great concern for the personal safety for family and friends and ex's of anyone associated with this 'cult'.

Does anyone know how large this group of Chad followers might be?

MOO

No, I don't see erasing the past as part of it. But I think removing people that would prevent fulfilling their "destiny" is rather possible.

As for how large a following he has I think people would have to pay to join the one website where Chad was posting and pay the additional fee to join that special subsection.

I have only seen snippets of the things he has posted via Google searching. If anyone knows of a username he used on websites it would be great if someone would pass it along.

 

[tresir2012]

So there was the death of their father, in July, (Did LE check on the kids welfare then?) Then the death of their Uncle in December when LE did not see the kids, so when and where were they actually last seen by someone still alive AFAWK? Was that in September? Who saw them last who is still alive?

Did they attend the funerals of there father and Uncle? Relatives may know this and be able to gauge how the kids were then.

 

[Gardener1850]

Ok thanks. The company that cut ties with Chad mentioned he was an author, like he either was dead or was no longer an author so I wondered what they actually meant by describing him that way.
Why can't LE trace them through the lawyer then? Have you the link for the lawyer?
I am thinking this is somehow being manipulated by them for some sort of story MOO.

I think the company is attempting to distance themselves with the past tense-- i.e. "Chad was an author we supported and listened to, but no longer do now that all this has come out.." --My paraphrase, not a direct quote from anyone.
Friends that have spoken of Lori in past tense are likely speaking that way because they "lost touch" with Lori and the kids in the past year or two. It seems like Lori cut off contact with a lot of people recently as she got more engrossed in whatever Chad's cult beliefs are. The friends and extended family members that spoke to the press are remembering events from the past, so their words are naturally going to be in past tense. MOO.

 

[tresir2012]

Has an autopsy been released for Alex?

 

[tresir2012]

I think the company is attempting to distance themselves with the past tense-- i.e. "Chad was an author we supported and listened to, but no longer do now that all this has come out.." --My paraphrase, not a direct quote from anyone.
Friends that have spoken of Lori in past tense are likely speaking that way because they "lost touch" with Lori and the kids in the past year or two. It seems like Lori cut off contact with a lot of people recently as she got more engrossed in whatever Chad's cult beliefs are. The friends and extended family members that spoke to the press are remembering events from the past, so their words are naturally going to be in past tense. MOO.

I agree that could be the case in some of those situations, but the grandmother saying "was a loving mother" is pretty damning.

"Lori was a wonderful, loving, attentive mother. "

So she is no longer wonderful or loving or attentive, no longer a mother, or no longer alive IMO

 

[CSIDreamer]

Has an autopsy been released for Alex?

It's still pending.