Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #2

[Tigerlily75]

The press accounts regarding the 2 missing children are IMO baffling at best as its unclear why LE is not naming Lori and Chad as suspects in at minimum child endangerment charges due to the fact that the children haven't been seen since September, 2019.

The fact that both Lori and Chad do appear to be presently speaking to their attorney while publicly doing nothing to explain the location of Lori's 2 children is also troubling but I'm unclear as to why LE is accepting this response from Lori and Chad? The statement from the atty references the pair as being 'loving parents' and given the circumstances this statement isn't making much sense either.

Does anyone understand what we are seeing from LE (AZ, ID AND FBI) here regarding Lori's 2 missing children as Chad and his new wife are on the run and in hiding? So far I am just seeing LE statements that Chad and Lori are wanted for 'questioning' even though nobody has seen Lori's 2 children since September, 2019?

Did the schools attended by the 2 children not report them missing? If not, WHY? Is ID CPS involved in the investigation and ditto for AZ? I don't understand the delay in reporting the Lori's 2 children missing either and continue to read MSM to figure out what happened.

Are the people in Rexburg, ID that might have known the 2 children and Chad/Lori assisting with the investigation into their disappearance? Charles' sister expressed concern in the GH interview that Rexburg might hold the key to understanding what happened to JJ and his sister but that no information appears to be forthcoming. Why?

Do we know if the FBI CARD team is involved in this case as they certainly would have the resources to assist?

I absolutely feel the pain of the AZ family of JJ as there seems to be little happening to provide clarity to the situation by ID LE. JJ appears to be an 'at risk' child and I also don't understand why broader alert methods haven't been employed by LE and FBI to get the word out more broadly as its likely that with Lori and Chad on the run and not with the 2 children that the children might be on their own or sadly possibly long deceased at this point.

Is this a case where the local community assistance in Rexburg is not forthcoming and LE is at a total loss?

Little about this sad case from the standpoint of a missing persons investigation is making much, if any sense.

MOO

I doubt very much LE is accepting what their lawyers are saying. They are actively searching for the children and have them listed as missing-endangered, with Chad and Lori listed as Persons of Interest. The FBI is involved. It often feels like they’re not doing much when we don’t hear about it, but they usually are doing tons. Look at the Heidi Broussard case where there were no updates for a week and then suddenly a house was surrounded by multiple agencies. The house of somebody nobody ever suspected, and there they were. I’m sure they are looking at every angle. We just won’t hear about it until there’s something to hear.

Tammy and Chad’s kids are adults, many of them married with their own young children. Tammy has pictures of herself with some of her grand babies on her Facebook page.

 

[afitzy]

Even if Tylee is/was an extremely responsible 17 year old, expecting her to provide for herself and care for and provide for a disabled sibling without help is a pretty big ask to me.

I also don't think that the kids were left with a relative. It sounds like too much of a stretch to me - that there are suspicious deaths surrounding the mom and step dad, who took off and that the relative who had Tylee and and JJ wouldn't have stepped forward and said they had the kids... It's possible, technically, but I'm inclined to think that it's more likely that just the couple are involved in something concerning than another family member as well. I think we'd know by now where the kids are, if another family member had them. Moo

The Rexburg PD FB page has a screenshot of Tylee Venmo acct sending money to Colby Ryan on 10/16.

While this in and of itself is not proof that Tylee is alive and well, it is at least enough to have a conversation with Colby Ryan. Based on the below video it appears that Colby is cooperating with LE in finding JJ and Tylee.

You can watch Colby's full video here:



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[afitzy]

Even if Tylee is/was an extremely responsible 17 year old, expecting her to provide for herself and care for and provide for a disabled sibling without help is a pretty big ask to me.

I also don't think that the kids were left with a relative. It sounds like too much of a stretch to me - that there are suspicious deaths surrounding the mom and step dad, who took off and that the relative who had Tylee and and JJ wouldn't have stepped forward and said they had the kids... It's possible, technically, but I'm inclined to think that it's more likely that just the couple are involved in something concerning than another family member as well. I think we'd know by now where the kids are, if another family member had them. Moo

The Rexburg PD FB page has a screenshot of Tylee Venmo acct sending money to Colby Ryan on 10/16.

While this in and of itself is not proof that Tylee is alive and well, it is at least enough to have a conversation with Colby Ryan. Based on the below video it appears that Colby is cooperating with LE in finding JJ and Tylee.

You can watch Colby's full video here at the bottom of the FOX article has link to youtube:

‘This is really, really tough for us’: Brother of missing children speaks

 

[jjenny]

Julie Row claims to not actually know anything about Chad/Lori, Tylee/ Joshua whereabouts. She is supposedly just having visions that children are safe somewhere.

 

[Pax10]

Well, exactly. And the sibling would be miserable and make everybody else miserable without his medications. Seven year old special needs child shouldn't be in a bunker somewhere with a 17 year old girl expected to take care of him. And what would be the reason to ask Tylee to take care of Joshua?
Supposed custody dispute? With whom?
Tylee's father wanted custody of her but he was dead. So nobody would have been asking for custody of Tylee.
And there is no evidence Joshua's grandparents were doing anything legally to get custody. It would be very hard for grandparents to get custody, laws don't favor grandparents in custody battles. And Lori was very experienced in custody battles (with Tylee's father before he died) so normal response would be to get a lawyer, not hide the kids.

I think the poster I was responding to was speculating on the kids being left somewhere outside of a cult organization. I just don't see many 17 year olds being able to handle that that on their own without at least financial support. I could have misunderstood.

I agree, though, that there doesn't seem to be any evidence that there were custody issues leading to them fleeing. I assumed that was related to the police looking into one of the spouse's deaths.

None of this seems particularly normal imo.

 

[indicolite22]

IF the children are alive at this point, I believe they are being taken care of by other people and are perhaps not in imminent danger, as opposed to being left to their own devices. It would be stupid to harm them now.

 

[MassGuy]

I think the poster I was responding to was speculating on the kids being left somewhere outside of a cult organization. I just don't see many 17 year olds being able to handle that that on their own without at least financial support. I could have misunderstood.

I agree, though, that there doesn't seem to be any evidence that there were custody issues leading to them fleeing. I assumed that was related to the police looking into one of the spouse's deaths.

None of this seems particularly normal imo.

It would barely seem normal in “The Twilight Zone,” let alone in real life.

I agree, I think this probably had something to do with those deaths, but who the hell knows at this point.

I’m just hoping Chad and Lori are found soon. Then maybe some answers will come.

 

[Colorado303]

According to Gray’s youtube videos, many relatives were sponging off Charles. I think they said he had 21 phone lines he was paying for. If this is true, those family members might have stopped seeing him as human and more as a money source. If this is the case, then I can picture the day of his death being like a giveaway of his items. Also mentioned on one of Gray’s youtube videos is that Colby was called to the scene. Why? Then Colby ends up with Alex’s car (or maybe it was given to him prior) and Alex ends up driving Tylee’s car. I think more may have happened that day than what is being reported. This family has too much switching around of kids, locations, cars, husbands that I don’t know what to think. MOO

I imagine Colby may have been called to the scene come get JJ. JJ was probably very distraught and w/autism needed a familiar adult face that wasn’t being interrogated by LE or incapacitated from grief (i.e. his grandparents)

 

[afitzy]

I doubt very much LE is accepting what their lawyers are saying. They are actively searching for the children and have them listed as missing-endangered, with Chad and Lori listed as Persons of Interest. The FBI is involved. It often feels like they’re not doing much when we don’t hear about it, but they usually are doing tons. Look at the Heidi Broussard case where there were no updates for a week and then suddenly a house was surrounded by multiple agencies. The house of somebody nobody ever suspected, and there they were. I’m sure they are looking at every angle. We just won’t hear about it until there’s something to hear.

Tammy and Chad’s kids are adults, many of them married with their own young children. Tammy has pictures of herself with some of her grand babies on her Facebook page.

Here is the statement issued by attorney for Chad and Lori:

Sean Bartholick, a Rexburg attorney representing Chad and Lori, also released a statement on Monday, obtained by EastIdahoNews.com, saying that he is in contact with the couple but has no information regarding the whereabouts or welfare of the children.

Bartholick stated:

Chad Daybell was a loving husband and has the support of his children in this matter [Not sure why this statement has any relevance given the current circumstance of 2 missing children - BBM]. Lori Daybell is a devoted mother and resents assertions to the contrary [Lori Daybell has legal responsibility for the 2 missing children and if she were in fact a devoted mother would be able to account for the children and their whereabouts with no need to hide behind an attorney and would be open to full and frankly discussion with LE and FBI - BBM ]. We look forward to addressing the allegations once they have moved beyond speculation and rumor. [BBM]

Rexburg Police said their investigators are not in for the next two days but will return to this case after Christmas. [BBM]

Its hard to understand whether there is any level of urgency in this situation from Rexburg PD. Where are the Idaho State Police and FBI in this investigation?

The attorney for Chad and Lori seems to be simply issuing a public dare to LE to "catch us if you can" IMO.

Not sure why basic endangerment charges haven't been issued for both Lori and Chad given the amount of time that has passed at the fact that 2 children's lives could very well be at stake.

 

[Steelslady]

I agree.

The dialog from the attorney and the Daybell children on the matter of the 2 missing children is IMO impossible to understand and also IMO irresponsible and absolutely unchristian if they have any information regarding the 2 missing children.

This is insanity at it's worst.

I agree, if the Daybell children know what is going on, then they need to speak up for those kids, and now, not after it's too late! They at least had their mother Tammy around when they were growing up, and she appeared to be a very loving and caring mother. Lori's kids, in my opinion, for at least the last year or so, have not had a loving mother looking out for their best interests. Tammy, from what I can see, didn't appear to be involved with this cult, but Lori's kids unfortunately have absolutely nobody with them right now (if they are alive) to look out for them, or hide them like Brandon is doing with his children, until this is sorted out in terms of all these suspicious deaths. Brandon is looking out for his children, as I believe that Tammy would have, and both had the misfortune of either being shot at or dying a suspicious death- the normal parents.

To me, this isn't Christianity. This is plain pure and simple evil and insane.

I also want to make clear that I know this has nothing to do with the LDS religion. I had a beautiful aunt who married an LDS minister and they were both wonderful and loving people. This isn't a reflection on the LDS religion. It irks me that they're trying to even lead people into this cult under the premise of it being Christian. Shame on them!

 

[Colorado303]

ADHD and a sleeping pill if I follow the story right. Which does make sense because my ADHD makes it hard for me to fall asleep sometimes.

A lot has been made about JJ not getting adderall because his prescription hasn’t been filled. Adderall has become a very popular middle class drug and in some places can be as easy to get as pot if you know where to go. Or some adult could feign ADHD and get a prescription in their own name to give to JJ. If Lori and Chad’s network is as big as some suspect they may even have an MD on the “payroll”.

Not implying that JJ is alive and well, just saying the lack of verified prescription refills doesn’t necessarily indicate he’s not.

 

[Steelslady]

I agree with Steeleslady about the visions...that's the stuff of horror novels right there.

Regardless of religion - I think we need to tell people if their spouse is having "visions" of them dying. That's worth the awkward conversation and could be lifesaving. Moo

Exactly!

Then Julie said something about her life was spared for a little while longer after she was held at gun point, but she still passed away what, a week later? Sure, ok.

 

[Steelslady]

Was just reviewing activity on the FB page of Rexburg PD regarding this sad case.

There were multiple posts from family members begging for an Amber Alert and the response of Rexburg PD was "NO" and:

Rexburg Police Department This is because of the amount of time that they have been missing and not meeting the criteria for a amber alert.
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I'm actually not sure that the time passed since the missing event makes that much difference now given the age of the children (one at risk child too!) and very strong arguments can be presented to say that the children are in imminent danger of seriously bodily harm or death simply by virtue of what has happened to the people surrounding Lori and Chad Daybell. Further, it is known by LE that the 2 children are NOT with Lori and Chad Daybell and given that Lori has legal responsibility for the children but yet cannot explain their whereabouts then who is to say that the 2 children haven't been abducted AND/OR aren't in grave danger? LE also now has direct proof that the extended family of Chad Daybell are not assisting the investigation and this in and of itself might indicate knowledge that the 2 missing children are either deceased or in grave danger.

I don't understand why Rexburg PD are willing to risk not issuing an alert in hopes that someone in ID or the surrounding states might have seen the 2 children at some point over the past 2 months?

We have seen Amber Alerts used in other cases in a more flexible manner than we are seeing here in ID.


Here is link for ID Amber guidelines:

https://isp.idaho.gov/bci/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/documents/AMBER ALERT ACTIVATION CHECKLIST update.pdf

SUGGESTED CRITERIA

INSTRUCTIONS

AMBER ALERT ACTIVATION CHECKLIST

1. A child is known by law enforcement officials to have been abducted
   
   
2. The abduction occurred within 12 hours of initial activation of AMBER Alert
   
   
3. The child is under 17 years of age
4. Law enforcement must believe the child is in imminent danger of serious bodily harm or death
   
   
5. There must be enough descriptive information to believe that an AMBER Alert will assist in the
   
   recovery of the child (must include as much of the following information as possible)
   
   
6. The missing child must be entered into NCIC

I don't know if you want my thoughts on this, but here goes:

I believe that LE and possibly the FBI don't think that the children are alive. Hence, why no Amber alert.

They won't be found riding around in any vehicle, whether it be Lori's, Chad's, or another family members or friends car.

Joshua has special needs that he needs daily medication for as well as doctor's visits, lab work, etc. There's no way in God's creation that they somehow have stock piled enough medicine for him, and what about any doctor's appointments or therapy he may need? Do we honestly believe that some family member or friend is buying their silence while providing care for Joshua?

I bet that the traumatic event of seeing Joshua's father being shot by Lori's brother had a very traumatic effect on both of those children. Lori doesn't sound like she would want to deal with that, in my opinion. Not this new Lori, follower and wife of Chad.

Again, it scares me about this Julie discussing the visions her and Chad had. I am really wondering about this, if Chad didn't somehow convince Lori that he had a vision about the kids being in the same spirit world or wherever he says they're all going after this life, and she fell for it and they did something with the kids.

I just feel that LE and the FBI are doing a lot of quiet digging- we think they're doing nothing, but I sincerely doubt that very much. Remember- there's been several deaths and acts of violence already, and if there is a slim chance that those kids are alive, they don't want to provoke anyone to harm them before they find them. They also don't want them going after anyone else.

 

[indicolite22]

What is the end game for Chad and Lori? When are they going to reappear? After they are safe from prosecution in their spouses' deaths? I know they haven't been accused, but by running away they seem to be afraid of it. Investigations could take a while. If they aren't cleared and/or they harmed the children, will they stay on the run forever?

 

[afitzy]

Has anyone been able to figure of the duration of the Lori and Chad affair?

I have seen estimates of a range from 7 years to 4 years based on podcast appearances and attendance at various events together.

 

[Steelslady]

In Julie Rowe's interview posted yesterday, she tried to excuse Chad's actions. According to her, him and Lori are hiding Lori's kids, because the kids would be automatically taken away from her if presented. Why? With multiple police investigations, Chad and Lori are in danger of being (wrongfully) accused of killing their spouses. They are communicating through lawyers and would show up when it's safe for them. Julie seems to be blaming the CPS, the police and the media for the situation. I wonder if Chad's children are falling for this explanation. I'm also wondering if Julie had plans with Chad herself before Lori stepped into the picture.

Makes you wonder how much influence that this Julie has over Lori and Chad.

Where did that worry about the CPS come from, when no one knew the kids were missing until Joshua's grandparents reported to LE that they haven't seen or heard about him in awhile? Sad to say, it looks like no one was even after them, until they refused to prove that the kids are fine and safe.

Even though they took off before LE got to their house with a warrant- Brandon got shot at after, and someone was driving Tylee's car. Lori's brother died suspiciously. Tammy's body is exhumed, and as many folks have said already, they would not allow LE to exhume a body unless there is absolute proof that something suspicious happened and she was murdered instead of dying of a natural death.

I wonder if there's more to this than what LE has told the media, that they're not sharing.

 

[afitzy]

What is the end game for Chad and Lori? When are they going to reappear? After they are safe from prosecution in their spouses' deaths? I know they haven't been accused, but by running away they seem to be afraid of it. Investigations could take a while. If they aren't cleared and/or they harmed the children, will they stay on the run forever?

Perhaps they don't believe they have anything to lose if they believe that the world will end in July 2020?

Perhaps we will hear arguments eventually from Lori and Chad about how ending the lives of Lori's 2 children actually "did them a favor as the end of the world is coming soon".

Not sure how any of these 'end of the world' arguments will play out in court as possible justification for murder.

 

[Tigerlily75]

Here is the statement issued by attorney for Chad and Lori:

Sean Bartholick, a Rexburg attorney representing Chad and Lori, also released a statement on Monday, obtained by EastIdahoNews.com, saying that he is in contact with the couple but has no information regarding the whereabouts or welfare of the children.

Bartholick stated:

Chad Daybell was a loving husband and has the support of his children in this matter [Not sure why this statement has any relevance given the current circumstance of 2 missing children - BBM]. Lori Daybell is a devoted mother and resents assertions to the contrary [Lori Daybell has legal responsibility for the 2 missing children and if she were in fact a devoted mother would be able to account for the children and their whereabouts with no need to hide behind an attorney and would be open to full and frankly discussion with LE and FBI - BBM ]. We look forward to addressing the allegations once they have moved beyond speculation and rumor. [BBM]

Rexburg Police said their investigators are not in for the next two days but will return to this case after Christmas. [BBM]

Its hard to understand whether there is any level of urgency in this situation from Rexburg PD. Where are the Idaho State Police and FBI in this investigation?

The attorney for Chad and Lori seems to be simply issuing a public dare to LE to "catch us if you can" IMO.

Not sure why basic endangerment charges haven't been issued for both Lori and Chad given the amount of time that has passed at the fact that 2 children's lives could very well be at stake.

The official press release says the FBI is involved in the search and I doubt they take the holidays off, just the Rexburg Police Department. I really don’t doubt they think the lawyer statement is as BS as we all do. The lawyer is unable to confirm the welfare of the children or the whereabouts of Chad and Lori, therefore it is meaningless. We have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes.

 

[indicolite22]

Has anyone been able to figure of the duration of the Lori and Chad affair?

I have seen estimates of a range from 7 years to 4 years based on podcast appearances and attendance at various events together.

It could have been as little as a year IMO. Perhaps he had visions of Tammy's death with Julia first and more recently with Lori. When did the latter start alienating Charles?

 

[Colorado303]

I'm not sure I agree that potential charges against Lori (at a minimum) cannot be made at this time regarding the 2 missing children.

I also don't believe that the ages of Chad's youngest children are known based on the info from his late wife's obit. The obit mentions one of the sons being off on mission work so perhaps this would place him in the late teens/early 20s age bracket. IDK. The obit also mentions that grandchildren exist so perhaps there is an age gap/range amongst Chads children too as 3 of the Daybell children appear to be married per the obit. IDK. The fact that the Daybell children appear to be in contact with their father and not assisting LE in their efforts to find Lori's 2 children is also disturbing IMO as at a minimum this appears to represent 'hindering an investigation' and IDK why additional pressure is not being brought to bear against these people at this time?

It appears clear (even amidst the overall murkiness of this case) that Lori had legal responsibility for the 2 children at the time they allegedly disappeared in September.

JJ's late father's sister confirmed to LE that JJ hasn't been seen since September.

The whereabouts of JJ sister, for whom Lori also had legal responsibility, is also unknown.

Here is the ID Statute that might be applicable to the Lori situation with the 2 missing children:

Section 18-1501 – Idaho State Legislature

TITLE 18
CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
CHAPTER 15
CHILDREN AND VULNERABLE ADULTS
18-1501. INJURY TO CHILDREN. (1) Any person who, under circumstances or conditions likely to produce great bodily harm or death, willfully causes or permits any child to suffer, or inflicts thereon unjustifiable physical pain or mental suffering, or having the care or custody of any child, willfully causes or permits the person or health of such child to be injured, or willfully causes or permits such child to be placed in such situation that its person or health is endangered, is punishable by imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding one (1) year, or in the state prison for not less than one (1) year nor more than ten (10) years.
(2) Any person who, under circumstances or conditions other than those likely to produce great bodily harm or death, willfully causes or permits any child to suffer, or inflicts thereon unjustifiable physical pain or mental suffering, or having the care or custody of any child, willfully causes or permits the person or health of such child to be injured, or willfully causes or permits such child to be placed in such situation that its person or health may be endangered, is guilty of a misdemeanor.
(3) A person over the age of eighteen (18) years commits the crime of injury to a child if the person transports a minor in a motor vehicle or vessel as defined in section 67-7003, Idaho Code, while under the influence of alcohol, intoxicating liquor, a controlled substance, or any combination thereof, in violation of section 18-8004or 67-7034, Idaho Code. Any person convicted of violating this subsection is guilty of a misdemeanor. If a child suffers bodily injury or death due to a violation of this subsection, the violation will constitute a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than ten (10) years, unless a more severe penalty is otherwise prescribed by law.
(4) The practice of a parent or guardian who chooses for his child treatment by prayer or spiritual means alone shall not for that reason alone be construed to have violated the duty of care to such child.
(5) As used in this section, "willfully" means acting or failing to act where a reasonable person would know the act or failure to act is likely to result in injury or harm or is likely to endanger the person, health, safety or well-being of the child.
History:
[18-1501, added 1977, ch. 304, sec. 3, p. 853; am. 1996, ch. 167, sec. 1, p. 552; am. 1997, ch. 306, sec. 1, p. 910; am. 2001, ch. 49, sec. 1, p. 91; am. 2005, ch. 151, sec. 1, p. 467.]

I don’t know if not producing the kids is grounds for neglect. However, LE has checked pharmacy records nationally (per JJ’s grandfather) and it’s a fact that JJ has not been receiving his prescribed medication—at least not through legal filling of prescriptions in the US. Why couldn’t that be used as grounds for a neglect charge?