Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #4

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So I just typed “what will happen September 23rd” on its own into YouTube and received a lot of hits related to the end of the world.

This date - the same date Joshua Vallow was last seen - certainly seems to be significant.
 
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Does anyone know if Melani has any upcoming Court Dates related to the Custody of her children with Brandon? I have been trying to figure out when Melani might become visible publicly and perhaps questioned by the Press? By all accounts she and her new husband are in Rexburg, ID.
Nothing on the docket. The case has moved to the dismissal calendar in Maricopa County Family Court starting 12/16 so if nothing gets filed prior to January 15th, 2020 the case will close. Despite all the nonsense going on it will be extremely difficult for Brandon to get the Temporary Custody order made permanent due to the preferential treatment mothers receive from the courts.
 
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I think in the last MSM it clarified she would not get custody due to her being found stalking on inlaws property. She also didn't turn up to court so the divorce went thru. She remarried pretty quickly.
Yes, that is what I read as well but I thought that there might be another court date regarding her 4 children with Brandon that she seems to have abandoned.

I also cannot find MSM details on the stalking on in-laws property as it seemed a strange thing to do IMO. Did Melani believe that her children might have been at the in-laws property?

MOO
 
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Has anyone found confirmation of Chad Daybell being ex-communicated from LDS Church?

I keep searching MSM for another source other than DM and cannot find anything.

LDS Social Media is IMO all over the map on the issue (non TOS) so I am unsure what the correct answer is about the LDS status of Chad Daybell.
We'll never know if Chad really was excommunicated, the only people to tell us that would be Chad or the LDS Church, and I don't see that happening. IMO, it doesn't matter much. He will be when everything from all of this gets resolved. For sure, Chad and Lori did not get married in a temple, no question.
 
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Nothing on the docket. The case has moved to the dismissal calendar in Maricopa County Family Court starting 12/16 so if nothing gets filed prior to January 15th, 2020 the case will close. Despite all the nonsense going on it will be extremely difficult for Brandon to get the Temporary Custody order made permanent due to the preferential treatment mothers receive from the courts.
But it appears that Melani abandoned her children and has not been in touch since leaving Brandon. I'm not sure that this behaviour would be supported by the Courts. The Melani text to Brandon about the custody issue I believe was published in MSM. So, as Brandon stepped up and removed the children to a place of safety and kept their routines intact, I'm not sure why the Courts would give custody to a mother that fled, divorce and remarried?
MOO
 
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Nothing I have seen has lead me to believe Chad went to Hawaii after Tammy's death. Maybe, maybe not. I think more likely that was a red herring MOO
 
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I think our VI said Chad and Lori were married in HI. @Maxxer500?

Maxxer said Chad was in Hawaii when some family members communicated with him after Tammys death. Which confirms what I’ve seen “unofficially”. Not sure about where the marriage occurred but it would fit.
 
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Maxxer said Chad was in Hawaii when some family members communicated with him after Tammys death. Which confirms what I’ve seen “unofficially”. Not sure about where the marriage occurred but it would fit.
Right, but he could have just said that.
 
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Yes, that is what I read as well but I thought that there might be another court date regarding her 4 children with Brandon that she seems to have abandoned.

I also cannot find MSM details on the stalking on in-laws property as it seemed a strange thing to do IMO. Did Melani believe that her children might have been at the in-laws property?

MOO
There is nothing in the media in terms of details for that incident. The only record of it is the Booking Record for the Utah County Sheriff's Office.
 
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Yes, that is what I read as well but I thought that there might be another court date regarding her 4 children with Brandon that she seems to have abandoned.

I also cannot find MSM details on the stalking on in-laws property as it seemed a strange thing to do IMO. Did Melani believe that her children might have been at the in-laws property?

MOO

I have no idea what she believed. The article was the most recent article a day or so ago with BB and pics of them both, it may be in the media thread. I'll post it again in this thread.

It is in the media thread and here it is again.

How a Gilbert drive-by shooting is tied to the Idaho missing children

"B said through his attorneys that he worried his children were "at risk of imminent physical and emotional harm" if they were to return to their mother.

When she was alerted to the shooting, M did not express concern for his safety or the safety of the children, B claims in court documents.

About two weeks after the shooting, M texted B that she had decided to move to Boise, according to court documents.

"The kids could remain with you in Arizona, you would have to arrange for daycare, and I could have the kids for school holidays and summers. Or I could take the kids to Idaho and enroll them in school there and you could have the kids for school holidays and summers. Please let me know what you'd like to do," M texted B.

A judge granted B temporary custody of the children. B said he is living with the children in hiding out of state.

In November, M was arrested on suspicion of trespassing on B's parents' property in America Fork, Utah, according to the Utah County Sheriff's Office. She was released from custody the same day.

M did not respond to The Republic's request for comment."
 
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An interesting theory that may or may not hold up (MOO).

Mainstream LDS belief is that married couples can be married in the afterlife. That could even be a polygamous situation if a woman (we'll call her Tammy) were to die on Earth and the man get remarried to another woman (I'll let you pick a name for her).

However (this is where your theory may or may not fall apart) this only works if the marriage was what is called a "temple marriage" which, among other things, has to happen in a LDS temple. The temple marriage is for "time and all eternity" whereas the non-temple marriage is just the same as what normal people do and is just for this life on Earth. So, by mainstream LDS belief Chad is married to Tammy in the next life (I believe we know they were married in a temple marriage and think the obit or the stories about them even indicated that it was in the Manti, Utah temple). Or at least Chad and Tammy would be if Chad's reported excommunication (if that really happened) doesn't have an impact on this. (I'm not sure on that, someone else may jump in with more knowledge and let us know.)

While we don't definitively know that Chad and Lori didn't get married in a Mormon temple, I think we're fairly sure of that. So from a mainstream Mormon belief, unless the world lasts long enough for them to be able to essentially do the marriage ceremony again in a temple, they won't be married beyond this life. BUT ... if Chad's having visions he's probably in direct communication with God, just like Joseph Smith allegedly was, and he's in essence a profit (I mean prophet) and can make his own rules. So if he had a vision that temple marriages could be performed in some way outside of a temple due to emergency last days of the last days provisions, then maybe they believe they are married beyond this life.

All of this is pretty wild theory, but IMO, not that much farther out there than mainstream Mormon belief is relative to the thinking of the average random person on the street.

My opinion..
If these marriages are taking place this is for the purpose of not having sex outside of legal marriage in the eyes of God. If married you are within bounds.. also, he sees himself as a prophet, so sees himself as qualified to preform a “sealing/temple marriage” without being in the LDS Temple. This Las Vegas information just pushed the storyline to a new level of crazy.
 
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We'll never know if Chad really was excommunicated, the only people to tell us that would be Chad or the LDS Church, and I don't see that happening. IMO, it doesn't matter much. He will be when everything from all of this gets resolved. For sure, Chad and Lori did not get married in a temple, no question.
I am surprised though that LDS headquarters in SLC, who monitors all kinds of media, wouldn't think it was in their best interest to clarify the membership status of Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow Daybell given the high profile nature of the case and the highly disturbing comments regarding the case that have been made by LE in multiple jurisdictions.

Right now IMO there is uncertainty as to Chad and Lori status with the LDS Church. It also seems clear that the Chad views are not in alignment with the LDS beliefs and doctrine (per many comments made here on WS and elsewhere by LDS faithful). Why would the LDS Church not just issue a formal statement on the matter as absent a statement it appears that the LDS Church is supporting Chad Daybell and his beliefs/doctrine? Is the LDS Church sending the 'hidden' message to its members, in not issuing a statement, that its OK for LDS Church members to harbor Chad and Julie from LE and that the Chad and Julie decision to effectively declare JJ and Tylee 'dead' by virtue of Chad saying to LE that "Lori has no minor children" is acceptable to the LDS Church?

When the ex-communication of Julie Rowe happened it was very clear that the status change occurred IMO. I'm not understanding why we aren't seeing something similar with Chad and Julie.

MOO
 
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It says Sept 24th was Tylee's 14th B-day. Should that be 17th instead?

Are you maybe looking at the 2016 line? I see it saying 24 Sept 2019 was her 17th birthday. I put the years that Lori wished her "Happy Birthday" on Instagram and 14 was one of those years.
 
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Something I've been thinking about, I was wondering about Chad and money. The Tammy I know would totally have been very on top of the family finances and was probably in charge of the budget. I do not believe she knew anything about the stuff going on behind the second paywall on AVOW, or other things along those lines Chad did. I think any of that money he had somewhere else, and may possibly mean he has quite a bit of money now. MOO
 
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There is nothing in the media in terms of details for that incident. The only record of it is the Booking Record for the Utah County Sheriff's Office.
Yes, that is what I found as well. Do wonder if she was trying to track down Brandon or possibly the children?
MOO
 
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My opinion..
If these marriages are taking place this is for the purpose of not having sex outside of legal marriage in the eyes of God. If married you are within bounds.. also, he sees himself as a prophet, so sees himself as qualified to preform a “sealing/temple marriage” without being in the LDS Temple. This Las Vegas information just pushed the storyline to a new level of crazy.
Definitely. Especially with the tight time frame.

11/26 Rexburg Police attempt a welfare check for Joshua - were told he was in Arizona.
11/27 Rexburg Police armed with a search warrant search the apartment and find Chad and Lori gone and no indication the kids are with them.
11/29 Alex gets married in LV.
11/30 Melani gets married in LV.
12/11 Tammy Daybell is exhumed.
12/12 Alex is found dead.
 
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