Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #21

[LDS social scientist]

I think Hawaii houses prisoners in several states and Arizona is one of them. I think because it is cheaper.

I think a lot of the major movement to mainland sites took place in the early 2000s. The explosion of private prisons within some states as well as constraints in creating more space for prisons in Hawaii may also factor in.

 

[Trask]

#@&


Idaho prosecutors can enlist the help of his jurisdiction should he fail to comply.

Also, the subpeona demands the documents be sent to Rexburg by expedited mail. Not sure how the state of Hawaii would have access to the records he sends unless they want to chase them down in Idaho after they become public record.

 

[Gardener1850]

Snipped and BBM: Yes, totally unprofessional in a court of law. You should always use Mr., Mrs. or Miss IMO.

BUT on the other hand, I think her attorney used her first name, instead of one of her many last names, because he may NOT have known what surname to use in court.

IIRC, the Idaho Warrant had the name "Lori Vallow" - and please correct me if I am wrong.

Then, it is found out that she is "married" to CD and using the name "Lori Daybell" … BUT … were Chad and Lori married legally in Hawaii (marriage license) or was it one of those ceremonies or whatever it is called ?

Just my two cents but I think her attorney called her Lori because he may not have known what her CURRENT LEGAL NAME was at the time of the hearing because the Warrant had one surname and Lori was using another surname.

Oh … and I am NOT defending her defense attorney … just saying when you get a client like Lori Vallow, or Lori Daybell, or Lori "Moroni," and claiming to be a "goddess" it's probably best he stick to her first name.

I mean seriously, it would look bad if you are her attorney and had not done sufficient research to know what your client's current legal, real name was and/or is, and you used the wrong name in court. Stick to what you know, I guess.

All JMO and MOO !

I get what you're saying but... She hired these lawyers herself, did she not? They are not appointed public defenders. How did that first meeting happen without her introducing herself? Shouldn't that have been the first thing that happened - she (or Chad) should have given the lawyers her name? I guess she only said "I'm Lori" and the lawyers didn't ask for her last name? It just seems unprofessional/over-familiar to use "Lori" in the court motions. She's not Cher or Madonna or some other celebrity where one name would be recognizable and appropriate.


MOO.

 

[LeBlack]

If it's not officially confirmed or sourced, then we can't accept it as fact.

Someone has posted a DIFFERENT separate verifying source.

Added: ANOTHER separate verifying source has been posted.

 

[Moonbeam456]

I don’t understand the need to continue to talk about the Mormon church in these threads. Yes, LV and CD were at one time Mormons but they clearly now believe some weird sh*t that does not align with Mormon beliefs. We need to remember to separate the two.

 

[Gardener1850]

Because Gray Hughes has a youtube where he discusses being contacted by a family member who says L and CD knew each other going back to 2016. @Nosurprise may be interested in the transcript around 34:44 or so.

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JJ's grandmother Kay said the same thing in her Jan 30th press conference. She wasn't sure when Lori and Chad met but believes they could have met as early as 2016 or 2017.

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[Jethro4WS]

I was actually thinking that they might put her on a AMC (Air Mobility Command) flight. AMC is kind of like a military airline. It also operates Air Force One and lots of smaller private VIP aircraft. There is a unit at Joint Base Pearl Harbor Hickam. Wouldn't surprise me at all to hear that they actually operate the JPATS flights. Hard to believe there would otherwise be enough demand to move federal prisoners between the mainland and Hawaii. It would be cheaper to put her on a USAF Learjet.

Also note that Hawaii houses a lot of its prison population in Arizona and elsewhere on the mainland so there must be some regular system in place to transport them even if is not JPATS

It wouldn't surprise me either if they went the military route either. Essentially, there are a number of options, but my thinking is that Idaho is not going to be in any hurry in moving Lori back to Idaho and using US Marshals to move her guarantees that the trip will measure in several days of travel along US Marshal routes with overnights in county jails along the way. It seems pretty obvious that jail isn't Lori's thing, something she is not prepared for in any way, and the longer she spends in jails and the kinds of people she encounters in those county jails and long, multiple-stop van rides will only make it harder on her.

 

[Underneath the Sky]

I'm thinking school reports might sound similar to this:

"The nanny said on September 19, 2019, the next day, she returned to the Rexburg home to babysit JJ. For a while JJ happily played with neighbors, but eventually started “crying and screaming.”

“I tried to calm him down, distract him with a show, tell him how sometimes people need a break, and how he needs to share,” she said. “He threw the chair from their wooden table down, flipped the ottoman over by their couch, and then ran upstairs. I let him cry for a bit, hoping he would calm down, but he didn’t.”

Nanny of Missing 7-Year-Old Boy Reveals What She Told Cops About Lori Vallow

When I read what the nanny says, all I can wonder is whether JJ had recently seen or knew something about his sister that was upsetting him, especially given LV's apparent assertion that JJ lacked understanding about how his adoptive father had died. In other words, don't believe whatever might come out of this kid's mouth, LV might've been saying. What if he was a witness to some harm that came to his sister, and that became a liability to the perpetrator? (MOO and wonderings) Too horrible to think about what all might really have happened in this case.

 

[Anonymous91]

Um.. can you rephrase that? I don't understand your question in regards to the post you quoted. Do you mean character witnesses for the suspect (Lori)?

Well I guess it could be. I'll try to explain better.

For example, My best friend I trust him because:
- He always keeps his word. He says he does something he does it.
- He always keeps confidences, never talks behind my back.
- etc, etc.

Taking all of this into account I can make assumptions based on one's character, what is most likely.

So, if someone said he had asked my friend to do something that he had promised to do, and he claims my friend didn't do it. I would believe my friend based on his character.

I was wondering if Courts use something like this, or not.

I genuinely don't know. Not familiar enough with court cases to know.

Hopefully this makes more sense. Thanks
MOO

 

[lacegrl130]

What are the restrictions for even getting a passport at this time. Restricted because IN prison? Restricted because of CHARGES? Or no restrictions. No restriction on Chad however, correct? Is there any way LE could still prevent Chad from travelling out of country even with no charges against him. (btw... I still wondered if she did have a renewed passport under Lori Ryan or Lori Daybell, but chose to state she didn't have once, since she is being addressed as Lori Vallow

Even an expedited passport takes at least three weeks as I recall. So, it would still take a bit of time to get it renewed. I recently renewed mine and it wasn't a quick process.

 

[Gardener1850]

I don’t understand the need to continue to talk about the Mormon church in these threads. Yes, LV and CD were at one time Mormons but they clearly now believe some weird **** that does not align with Mormon beliefs. We need to remember to separate the two.

If you see anyone that appears to be bashing the Mormon religion or only arguing it's merits without a clear connection to the issues of this case, please hit the "Report" button so the mods can review. WS normally doesn't allow religious debates in threads. But I really appreciate the LDS members who have attempted to respectfully educate us on how their beliefs and practices differ from what Lori and Chad have said they believe/have been doing. The mods have given us tons of leeway to discuss religion on this case as long as it relates directly to the case and Lori and Chad's cult/beliefs. And I think almost everyone has been respectful in that religious discussion. But if you see something making you uncomfortable, or annoyed, your options are to report it or to use the ignore feature. To ignore someone's posts click on their username and then hit ignore. You won't see their posts anymore but you will see when others reply to them (it can look like the person is talking to themselves sometimes, LOL). HTH.

 

[LeBlack]

Well I guess it could be. I'll try to explain better.

For example, My best friend I trust him because:
- He always keeps his word. He says he does something he does it.
- He always keeps confidences, never talks behind my back.
- etc, etc.

Taking all of this into account I can make assumptions based on one's character, what is most likely.

So, if someone said he had asked my friend to do something that he had promised to do, and he claims my friend didn't do it. I would believe my friend based on his character.

I was wondering if Courts use something like this, or not.

I genuinely don't know. Not familiar enough with court cases to know.

Hopefully this makes more sense. Thanks
MOO

Character witness?
I wouldn't think they would do that at this stage.
Is there ANYONE left standing in Lori's orbit that could give her a positive character reference? (that aren't also implicated in dirty dealings?)

 

[TheLoadedGoat]

Lori looks rougher with each new mug shot. That weave ain't holding without maintenance! Ha!

 

[Gardenista]

Not sure if this was posted

Lori Vallow's Petition to Reduce Bail

 

[BigAl16]

@simlyme

I don’t know how to quote from a closed thread. The video clip you were looking for Step-father of missing Idaho kids speaks to ABC

For future reference, while there might be a better way, I found that you can click the "reply" button while in the other thread, then open a second tab in your browser with the new thread and copy/paste it into the new message area of the new thread and it worked for me. Not exactly user friendly, but it worked.

 

[Gardener1850]

Well I guess it could be. I'll try to explain better.

For example, My best friend I trust him because:
- He always keeps his word. He says he does something he does it.
- He always keeps confidences, never talks behind my back.
- etc, etc.

Taking all of this into account I can make assumptions based on one's character, what is most likely.

So, if someone said he had asked my friend to do something that he had promised to do, and he claims my friend didn't do it. I would believe my friend based on his character.

I was wondering if Courts use something like this, or not.

I genuinely don't know. Not familiar enough with court cases to know.

Hopefully this makes more sense. Thanks
MOO

I don't think so, but I'm not sure... Maybe some of our attorneys on the thread can better answer your question?
@mrjitty @AZlawyer

 

[jjenny]

When I read what the nanny says, all I can wonder is whether JJ had recently seen or knew something about his sister that was upsetting him, especially given LV's apparent assertion that JJ lacked understanding about how his adoptive father had died. In other words, don't believe whatever might come out of this kid's mouth, LV might've been saying. What if he was a witness to some harm that came to his sister, and that became a liability to the perpetrator? (MOO and wonderings) Too horrible to think about what all might really have happened in this case.

It was actually the school as I recall that reported JJ lacked understanding that his father was dead. He didn't believe his father was in heaven, he believed father was just traveling for work. If Tylee went missing on September 8th, I presume it would have been easy to convince JJ she went somewhere (college, visit grandma, visit friends, etc). I don't think Lori would have let him go to school for all this time if he was making coherent statements of something happening to Tylee.

 

[securitynerd]

Even an expedited passport takes at least three weeks as I recall. So, it would still take a bit of time to get it renewed. I recently renewed mine and it wasn't a quick process.

That's by mail. You can go to a passport office in person, as well. You do have to show your international itinerary. But you can get it renewed the same day.

 

[Gardener1850]

How did they enter Yellowstone with Tylee and J.J., then leave with just J.J., and no one, not even J.J., was alarmed?? He's out playing in front of the house two weeks later?

Maybe Lori gave JJ his tranquilizer meds and he slept in the car through most of the trip? Lori told the nanny his meds make him sleep and sometimes she gives them to him when she wants him to go to bed early. It would not be hard to tell JJ they are taking Tylee to "college" then dose JJ for the car ride and if his sister is gone when he wakes up they can tell him they dropped Tylee off at her school, BYU, while he was asleep. That's the false story Lori was telling everyone (the dog trainer, the nanny, even family members got told Tylee was "going away" to BYU). Probably the false story was not just to explain Tylee's absence to others but to keep JJ from telling anything incriminating too. I wonder if they spoke in code words while around JJ? MOO.

 

[securitynerd]

Even an expedited passport takes at least three weeks as I recall. So, it would still take a bit of time to get it renewed. I recently renewed mine and it wasn't a quick process.

That's by mail. You can go to a passport office in person, as well. You do have to show your international itinerary. But you can get it renewed the same day.