Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #23

[nhmemorymaker]

Most places, it's a calling like other voluntary positions in the Church. (Seminary still goes on 5 days a week all over, to this day.) There are typically a couple of sections daily (maybe 6:30am -ish, and 7:30am -ish) at the Church or some location convenient to the HS. People pick the one that fits into their morning extra-curricular schedule and attend that one, then go on to school.

Much larger number of students attend in Utah, so professional teachers might be hired by Church Education and teach 7 sections/day just like any other profession HS teacher.

In my run-of-the-mill California seminary classes ages ago, there were probably 20-ish students there on any given morning. My California HS was probably about 5% LDS, maybe a little less, and not everyone chose to attend seminary.

Thanks.. I would have thought so many less being instructed, but your experience certainly does not sound so isolating.

 

[FindingJoLee]

I feel quite certain this is the case. And who knows, if we find out he had insurance taken out on him, and ZP was beneficiary... we know it really goes to Lori, but she is off the hook with the connection the police would make. At one point I was going back and forth as to whether AC was a suicide, or a murder. I favor murder now... and feel ZP probably performed the act. Conveniently a dumbfounded kid was there to see it, and not her. imo

I keep thinking about this possibility all along. We have three connected (friend/family) women with husbands who have been shot at and/or are dead. Was all that violence coming from three life insurance proceeds grabs....and were those a prequel for the next three life insurance proceeds grabs from husbands #5, #2 and #5??

 

[Gardener1850]

I don't think whatever he donated to the thrift store was of any consequence regarding the missing children; LE executed a search warrant for their house there the same day as the vehicle last month. Whatever was to be found would have been discovered then, no? It's not like the children miraculously appeared out there and disappeared again...

MOO.

You're probably right. I don't believe the children were ever in Kauai. And they already found Tylee's phone, bankcard and the kids birth certificates on Lori with the previous search in January. The fact of Chad not donating any children's things, if verified by the police, would simply be one more piece of evidence that the children were never with them.

But I do keep wondering if Lori had a storage unit in Kauai. Whatever Chad donated was enough that he had to back up his car to unload. Since she had an ID under Lori Ryan she could be using it and paying upfront in cash from her baggie. And also I am curious if Chad dared to donate Lori's clothing and hair products. It would probably make her furious and also could be an indication he believes she's not getting out of jail anytime soon.

MOO.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Regarding the mirrors.

Thoughts:

Mirrors make rooms seem larger. They hadn't lived there that long. Considering the absence of furniture everywhere, I'm speculating the mirrors were in place when they moved in.

Or you know. Dance studio.

Jmo

Lost in the thread so I'm replying to myself.

I just looked at the body cam footage. Those mirrors are way too low to be decorative. I was looking for a barre but didn't see one. I'm leaning strongly towards personal studio any way now. Jmo

 

[kye0001]

There is so much going on, but it seems that CV's death set the disappearance of the kids in motion. They were there.

Tagging @CSIDreamer in as well.

I was thinking about this last night and I think there may have been many pivotal moments that led to this. Even when we look back at the brilliant timeline you can see certain events stand out more than others.

I would also be interested in hearing from anyone that knew LV at the time of JJs adoption, through to his ASD diagnosis and afterwards. How did she take to having a toddler with special needs? How did she handle the diagnosis? How did she cope afterwards? How did she cope when people were critical of JJ and his behaviour? (It can’t just be me that’s had so many armchair experts cast their judgements when I’m in the middle of coping with a child in meltdown).

There’s a period of time when you come to realise that this is your life now and the care of a ASD child will probably be lifelong. It often gets much worse before it gets better. How did she cope with the meltdowns when her friends weren’t around? Some people just get on with it and some take it really badly. ‘This isn’t the life I planned’, ‘’do I want this for life’ are things I’ve heard people say.

It could have relevance to how long she’s been planning this and what exactly she has been planning. MOO

 

[CSIDreamer]

There is so much going on, but it seems that CV's death set the disappearance of the kids in motion. They were there.

Ok, I can agree with that. Jmo

 

[CSIDreamer]

Tagging @CSIDreamer in as well.

I was thinking about this last night and I think there may have been many pivotal moments that led to this. Even when we look back at the brilliant timeline you can see certain events stand out more than others.

I would also be interested in hearing from anyone that knew LV at the time of JJs adoption, through to his ASD diagnosis and afterwards. How did she take to having a toddler with special needs? How did she handle the diagnosis? How did she cope afterwards? How did she cope when people were critical of JJ and his behaviour? (It can’t just be me that’s had so many armchair experts cast their judgements when I’m in the middle of coping with a child in meltdown).

There’s a period of time when you come to realise that this is your life now and the care of a ASD child will probably be lifelong. It often gets much worse before it gets better. How did she cope with the meltdowns when her friends weren’t around? Some people just get on with it and some take it really badly. ‘This isn’t the life I planned’, ‘’do I want this for life’ are things I’ve heard people say.

It could have relevance to how long she’s been planning this and what exactly she has been planning. MOO

Well we know she coped at one point by depersonalizing him as her "niece's drug baby".

And she got rid of his coping mechanisms, meaning hers as well.

Jmo

 

[Tortoise]

Oh yes, I remember now what I wanted to say about that airport video of Chad.

We now have form for him wearing a baseball cap. I think this query was raised earlier regarding the footage from the storage unit.

 

[kye0001]

Well we know she coped at one point by depersonalizing him as her "niece's drug baby".

And she got rid of his coping mechanisms, meaning hers as well.

Jmo

Yes I’m wondering if she was resenting him long before the affair with CD began. MOO

 

[Gardener1850]

I could be mis-remembering, but I swear someone (Colby, maybe?) saying that in all of Lori's homes, she kept a room empty for dancing, and it was phrased in a way that made it seem like a normal thing for her. I could totally be remembering WHO said it wrong, but I know it was mentioned somewhere by someone who would be close enough to her to know that it was a *thing*. It stuck in my head, because at the time, I thought, "Oh! That explains the big empty room with the bare floor!"


You're generally required to claim pets. They need to know if any belongings are valuable enough to sell to pay debts, and unfortunately, pets are considered possessions.

I think that was in the Dateline special. I can't recall who said it right now, but it fits with Kay previously saying Lori was videoing herself dancing and emailing the video to Chad. I always pictured that dancing (the dance she was videoing) happening in a more private room with a door, not the main entry room of the house. But you could be right and that could be Lori's dance room in that house.

MOO.

 

[FindingJoLee]

(It can’t just be me that’s had so many armchair experts cast their judgements when I’m in the middle of coping with a child in meltdown).

Pardon the diversion, but I once asked someone (nicely, I swear, I was nice) if they wanted to go home with me to help me work through some strategies to help my little octopus whose meltdown they were advising me on while we were in line for a Honeybaked Ham. That person, quite unironically, informed me that it was not.her.job.

I hope Lori was treated with a little grace during those times when you just struggle. It's hard.

 

[Leve]

You're probably right. I don't believe the children were ever in Kauai. And they already found Tylee's phone, bankcard and the kids birth certificates on Lori with the previous search in January. The fact of Chad not donating any children's things, if verified by the police, would simply be one more piece of evidence that the children were never with them.

But I do keep wondering if Lori had a storage unit in Kauai. Whatever Chad donated was enough that he had to back up his car to unload. Since she had an ID under Lori Ryan she could be using it and paying upfront in cash from her baggie. And also I am curious if Chad dared to donate Lori's clothing and hair products. It would probably make her furious and also could be an indication he believes she's not getting out of jail anytime soon.

MOO.

It could be the beach chairs ECT.. That they bought while there.

 

[kye0001]

Pardon the diversion, but I once asked someone (nicely, I swear, I was nice) if they wanted to go home with me to help me work through some strategies to help my little octopus whose meltdown they were advising me on while we were in line for a Honeybaked Ham. That person, quite unironically, informed me that it was not.her.job.

I hope Lori was treated with a little grace during those times when you just struggle. It's hard.

Lol, shouldn’t laugh really but yes...everyone’s a expert and very few actually want to help. This is what I wonder. Now most of us get on with it. Most of us love our kids so that overrules what anyone says/thinks/does. LV wasn’t/isn’t like most of us though. It seems that she only really cares about herself. I wonder if she has been planning to ‘be free’ for a while. She may have made comments to people, people may have witnessed her interactions with JJ when she didn’t realise they were paying attention or her guard was dropped. MOO

 

[montegrl]

This discussion brought me to a personal experience... When first visiting my brother in Gilbert... large house...but such a weird entry into a living room with no furniture just mirrors. I asked why...and he also said for dancing and dancing lessons for neighborhood kids. So its a "thing?"

Yes I think the dance studio makes far more sense than my ramblings from yesterday. I also did mis-speak, I meant Nick Schneider not Ned Snyder. I shouldn't post when I'm tired and rushed LOL and remember to quote my MSM sources!

I was just hoping if there was some sort of ritual involved it might give us leads into the other deaths and disappearances, but these really look like crimes of opportunity. It did freak me out when the nanny said there was a mirror above JJ's mattress, I'm not sure I would put one above a sleeping autistic child's head. (Missing Idaho kid's nanny recounts experience with Lori Vallow days before disappearance)

 

[findher8]

What was Lori's talent during the Mrs. Texas competition? Dance?

 

[Tortoise]

Oh yes, I remember now what I wanted to say about that airport video of Chad.

We now have form for him wearing a baseball cap. I think this query was raised earlier regarding the footage from the storage unit.

same link as above - screenshot to show what could be a passport (circled) being handed back to Chad. You have to play the video in the slowest mode to see it. After that the guy hands him a slip which could be his boarding pass.


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edited to add - that is a WestJet exit gate behind him which flies to Vancouver, but that doesn't mean there aren't other exit gates there as well.

moo

 

[FindingJoLee]

Lol, shouldn’t laugh really but yes...everyone’s a expert and very few actually want to help. This is what I wonder. Now most of us get on with it. Most of us love our kids so that overrules what anyone says/thinks/does. LV wasn’t/isn’t like most of us though. It seems that she only really cares about herself. I wonder if she has been planning to ‘be free’ for a while. She may have made comments to people, people may have witnessed her interactions with JJ when she didn’t realise they were paying attention or her guard was dropped. MOO

Her attachment to Tylee was so intense, and she was so adorable...so maybe Lori read that as "People are complimentary towards Tylee, and that says something positive about me."

But with JJ, it might have been "People are mean to me about JJ, and that says something negative about me."

I know there's a psychological phenomenon here, but I don't know what it's called? Anyway, I think all parents have to find a balance in this thing with their children's identity and their own. But I don't think Lori (being a person of extremes) is very good at finding balance. Or maybe it was the other way around: She wasn't good at finding balance, and then became a person of extremes.

 

[fred&edna]

What was Lori's talent during the Mrs. Texas competition? Dance?

I can't remember if it's a real fact or one I just imagined... but was it a hula dance?

ETA: Someone posted a link (in a previous thread) of the candidates in the Mrs Texas 2004 pageant. The link was not to a video of Lori's participation, I believe it simply listed the candidates and information (which included "talent"). I can't find that post now, but I'm fairly sure that's where I read the "hula/Hawaiian dance" info.

 

[Gardener1850]

same link as above - screenshot to show what could be a passport (circled) being handed back to Chad. You have to play the video in the slowest mode to see it. After that the guy hands him a slip which could be his boarding pass.

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click to enlarge

edited to add - that is a WestJet exit gate behind him which flies to Vancouver, but that doesn't mean there aren't other exit gates there as well.

moo

Oh my, the people standing in line behind Chad do NOT look happy about having strangers video in their direction. I wonder if they know who Chad is or if they were confused on what all the attention was about? I'm concerned that we haven't heard where Chad landed yet. Seems like their should have been additional sightings if he flew to Idaho. MOO.

 

[kye0001]

Her attachment to Tylee was so intense, and she was so adorable...so maybe Lori read that as "People are complimentary towards Tylee, and that says something positive about me."

But with JJ, it might have been "People are mean to me about JJ, and that says something negative about me."

I know there's a psychological phenomenon here, but I don't know what it's called? Anyway, I think all parents have to find a balance in this thing with their children's identity and their own. But I don't think Lori (being a person of extremes) is very good at finding balance. Or maybe it was the other way around: She wasn't good at finding balance, and then became a person of extremes.

Yes I’ve got one very well behaved child that tbh does well in everything he attempts and one that struggles in daily life. I find myself defending the asd child much more than ever I need to defend the youngest. The asd one gets much more praise and attention...the youngest gets it in other ways and is very understanding of his brothers needs. I’m lucky, we’re a close family and have all got each other’s backs. We work together to navigate the asd challenges my eldest faces.

I don’t think this is the case with LV though. I wonder if there’s help out there for LDS families with special needs? Maybe other LDS people will know. What support groups etc are available as LV may have left a trail of evidence somewhere that shows premeditation. It could be worth looking into? MOO