Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #23

[BigAl16]

Maybe he teleported himself into Lori's closet.

I don't think a typical cell has a closet, but if you're a god surely you can make it so people can't see what is going on through the cell bars.

 

[wnk]

Some quotes from LDS prophets regarding (from their website) that show how seriously they take it and why this is such a serious accusation for a Mormon to make:

"It is ridiculous to imply that has no effect. There is a definite relationship to crime. Murder, robbery, rape, prostitution, and commercialized vice are fed on this immorality. Sex crime statistics seem to reflect a relationship between crime and ." - President Spencer W Kimball

" is especially dangerous and addictive. Curious exploration of can become a controlling habit, leading to coarser material and to sexual transgression." - President Thomas S Monson

"We counsel you, young men, not to pollute your minds with such degrading matter, for the mind through which this filth passes is never the same afterward. Don’t see R-rated movies or vulgar videos or participate in any entertainment that is immoral, suggestive, or pornographic. Don’t listen to music that is degrading" - President Ezra Taft Benson


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[janx]

I think it's crazy not one person has noticed him

I'll bet law enforcement knows where he is.

 

[Nosurprise]

I don't think a typical cell has a closet, but if you're a god surely you can make it so people can't see what is going on through the cell bars.

Saw this from Kay Woodcock. That she has verified information Chad is in Rexburg. Please let me know if not ok.

 

[Redvines86]

Yeah, my angels are telling me he's in Rexberg, I forgot to listen to them earlier lol. MOO That's not to say he's going to drive down to Utah to see family. As long as he's in Idaho or Utah I'm very happy.

 

[tresir2012]

Lori was happy that JR was dead. She told Joe's sister Annie "the world is a better place without Joe Ryan" Aunt of Idaho teen missing with brother says their mother is 'unhinged'
She had fought Joe in a bitter custody battle over Tylee for many years. I think Lori hated Joe with a passion and would not have been angry at all if AC confessed to her that he killed Joe. Lori also supposedly got money from Joe's death somehow-- either money he left to Tylee or maybe by selling Joe's things after he passed. None of Joe's family was informed of his death until 5 weeks after his body was found. There was never any funeral and it sounds like Annie doesn't know what happened to Joe's possessions or personal papers-- if there was a will or life insurance or a safe deposit box key only Lori would know because she had ample opportunity to go through his apt when he died. MOO.

Somebody must have contacted the life insurance and provided a death certificate for Tylee to get the $75k though. That had to be Lori on behalf of Tylee, yet she did not bother organising a funeral or anything?

 

[Gardener1850]

I was half joking in the last thread when I suggested Lori found Alex's but it's really not a stretch to guess this might be correct as the reason for the street fight. Lori left Charles at the end of January 2019 and according Alex's neighbor, was living with Alex around that time. After the fight, I believe she left Alex's home for Kauai.

In the Gray Hughs episode, The Craziest Case of the Year (Part 2), the anonymous family member said the entire family knew about Alex's sex and collection. They also said he traveled to Columbia frequently. We've speculated here whether the source was mistaken and/or the reasons for him going there. Prostitution is legal in Columbia so there is a lot of sex tourism there. Then there are darker reasons.

The Gray Hughs family member was a slightly off on some information but mostly spot on with facts that later came out. It's worth a listen again with the benefit of hindsight. I listened at 2 times speed since it's over 2 hours long. MOO

Edited to add source links:

Mom of missing Idaho kids screamed at her killer brother that he brought disgrace on their family' | Daily Mail Online

So Lori was okay with emailing videos of herself dancing provocatively to Chad (which happened around the same time as the fight with AC) but she was not OK with her brother have a addiction? To the point where she had a big loud argument in the street with him? While I certainly believe Lori is probably too blinded by the log in her own eye to get the speck out of her brother's eye, somehow I don't see her doing that to her loyal ones such as AC-- If Lori had a real moral problem with AC's dirty habits then she and AC would not be as close as they were. They were as thick as thieves, those two. And AC was always doing Lori's dirty work.

In 2007 AC told a friend (MT) that he had to travel from AZ to TX to "take care of some family business". AC went to TX and attacked Lori's ex-husband JR with a stun gun. Then after he confessed to the assault and while he was in jail for 90 days he wrote 4 letters to his friend MT asking for JR's personal info and photos of JR he could show other inmates. The implication was pretty clear that AC wanted JR dead and was trying to arrange a hit from jail: Letters reveal Alex Cox's intense focus on Lori Vallow's ex-husband, even while behind bars
I believe Lori liked these negative qualities of her brother AC (they were both bad seeds) and she wouldn't have quarreled with him over things like that. I still believe that argument involved AC refusing to do something bad she wanted done or it was after AC had failed to do something Lori wanted him to do.

MOO.

 

[knowhisown]

I’ve been following this story closer than I’d like to admit. That being said I stumbled across a tweet early this morning that has me shook to the point where I believe it will eventually become evidence in the case.

I honestly believe Lori or Alex has watched this video. I think this 3 minute VOX video from 2016 is why they chose Yellowstone to make TR disappear and I think this professors legal theory referenced in the video will be what we see as a defense.

Credit to @tellingoffmytv on twitter who as of now no one else seems to have noticed.

 

[Rush4087]

Lori was happy that JR was dead. She told Joe's sister Annie "the world is a better place without Joe Ryan" Aunt of Idaho teen missing with brother says their mother is 'unhinged'
She had fought Joe in a bitter custody battle over Tylee for many years. I think Lori hated Joe with a passion and would not have been angry at all if AC confessed to her that he killed Joe. Lori also supposedly got money from Joe's death somehow-- either money he left to Tylee or maybe by selling Joe's things after he passed. None of Joe's family was informed of his death until 5 weeks after his body was found. There was never any funeral and it sounds like Annie doesn't know what happened to Joe's possessions or personal papers-- if there was a will or life insurance or a safe deposit box key only Lori would know because she had ample opportunity to go through his apt when he died. MOO.

I wasn't implying that Lori didn't want JR dead, or that she wasn't happy about it later. Only that AC's actions in this case (if he killed JR) were perhaps not authorized in advance by Lori, and that perhaps this aspect of it pissed her off. Just a theory.

As far as I know, unlike CV and the kids and Tammy, JR had not been designated a dark spirit/dead soul/zombie by any of the cult in the time leading up to his death, and as such, the murder (again, if it was a murder) would perhaps not have been "justified". And Lori at the time may have seen it as something that could possibly jeopardize her upcoming mission.

In the absence of any other logical explanation for the fight, I was/am just trying to think.. what could have caused such a knock down drag out fight between Lori and AC in the middle of the street in early 2019? No extreme behaviors or crimes (that we know of or that have been posted about, anyway) had yet been committed by AC that could have affected Lori and her holy mission at that time - other than JR's death, and possibly Stacey's death. Lori certainly wasn't that pissed at AC for not taking out the trash. Their dynamic is key (and I'm sure key to investigators). Love to hear your explanation.

 

[tresir2012]

Eric Grossarth

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The Gilbert Police Department told me they "are unable to substantiate the claims" made about Melani Pawloski in child custody court filings submitted by Brandon Boudreaux. #FindJJandTylee #Vallow #Daybell #Boudreaux



Niece of Lori Daybell says ex-husbands claims are false, makes explosive allegations of her own |...
eastidahonews.com

Don't know if this has already been posted. Not sure what it means really. They believe the attempted murder happened don't they?

 

[janx]

I wasn't implying that Lori didn't want JR dead, or that she wasn't happy about it later. Only that AC's actions in this case (if he killed JR) were perhaps not authorized in advance by Lori, and that perhaps this aspect of it pissed her off. Just a theory.

As far as I know, unlike CV and the kids and Tammy, JR had not been designated a dark spirit/dead soul/zombie by any of the cult in the time leading up to his death, and as such, the murder (again, if it was a murder) would perhaps not have been "justified".

In the absence of any other logical explanation for the fight, I was/am just trying to think.. what could have caused such a knock down drag out fight between Lori and AC in the middle of the street in early 2019? No extreme behaviors or crimes (that we know of or that have been posted about, anyway) had yet been committed by AC that could have affected Lori and her holy mission at that time - other than JR's death, and possibly Stacey's death. Lori certainly wasn't that pissed at AC for not taking out the trash. Their dynamic is key (and I'm sure key to investigators). Love to hear your explanation.

Regarding "dark spirit/dead soul/zombie" -- do you know how much of this is actually part of their cult? I've seen references to it elsewhere.

 

[Chewy1972]

Chad Daybell returns to Rexburg as Lori Vallow Daybell awaits extradition | East Idaho News

 

[Redvines86]

I am very surprised how quiet people to talk to themselves in cars while filming it have been. I betcha somebody told somebody they better keep their thoughts to themselves. MOO

 

[janx]

East Idaho News just announced Chad's return to Rexburg. I don't know how to post a link here.

 

[BigAl16]

I’ve been following this story closer than I’d like to admit. That being said I stumbled across a tweet early this morning that has me shook to the point where I believe it will eventually become evidence in the case.

I honestly believe Lori or Alex has watched this video. I think this 3 minute VOX video from 2016 is why they chose Yellowstone to make TR disappear and I think this professors legal theory referenced in the video will be what we see as a defense.

Credit to @tellingofmytv on twitter who as of now no one else seems to have noticed.

Umm. Lots of discussion about this in regards to this case. The short answer is that unless they completely misunderstood even the most basic parts of this (anything would have to happen in the small part of Yellowstone in Idaho) that it probably doesn't apply as we're fairly confident Tylee's last know trip being to Yellowstone wouldn't have been to the right place. (This has oodles of other issues, but that they surely didn't go to the correct part of the park which is pretty basic to the concept is enough to make it suspect as an answer.)

 

[divineappt]

I’ve been following this story closer than I’d like to admit. That being said I stumbled across a tweet early this morning that has me shook to the point where I believe it will eventually become evidence in the case.

I honestly believe Lori or Alex has watched this video. I think this 3 minute VOX video from 2016 is why they chose Yellowstone to make TR disappear and I think this professors legal theory referenced in the video will be what we see as a defense.

Credit to @tellingofmytv on twitter who as of now no one else seems to have noticed.

Any of our lawyers have input to this? Any loopholes to the loopholes? Makes too much sense as stated, to a non-lawyer.

 

[FindingJoLee]

Chad Daybell returns to Rexburg as Lori Vallow Daybell awaits extradition | East Idaho News

Multiple people tell EastIdahoNews.com that Chad returned a vehicle to Enterprise Rent-A-Car in Rexburg around 10:30 a.m. He then got into a small blue vehicle with another man who picked him up, according to witnesses.

Where oh where is our small blue vehicle expert @RexburgSleuth ???

 

[knowhisown]

Umm. Lots of discussion about this in regards to this case. The short answer is that unless they completely misunderstood even the most basic parts of this (anything would have to happen in the small part of Yellowstone in Idaho) that it probably doesn't apply as we're fairly confident Tylee's last know trip being to Yellowstone wouldn't have been to the right place. (This has oodles of other issues, but that they surely didn't go to the correct part of the park which is pretty basic to the concept is enough to make it suspect as an answer.)

I was under the impression they entered at the closest entrance from Rexburg which would be 90 so minutes north in Montana which is only different because it technically has 26 residents total in the YS park area but that’s slim pickings to make a pool on top of the judicial technicalities.
As for this being talked about previously, forgive me for not having been able to read every post on this site, i meant in the 1000’s of videos/articles about the case. I can’t find a single mention of the possibility of this being relevant. No need to be condescending.

 

[Evan's Mom]

Has the Time to Warrior up podcast been posted yet?

I haven't seen it in a thread yet. If it's not allowed, let me know and I'll delete it.
01 - Time to Warrior Up Podcast - Introduction

 

[tresir2012]

First of all, I didn't post a fact...what I said was very general and broad. Second, it is very clear that it is my opinion and I shouldn't have to state that since its obvious. Third, you're obviously offended for some reason and that is not my problem. Here is a link for you...

Let Me Google That

I wasn't offended but I'm sorry you obviously are because I asked for a link based on TOS. Another poster has provided the links already. (TY @BigAl16 ) I just couldn't see why all religions should be accused of watching without any evidence.

ETA1 this is what your post said with no indication it was an opinion.

"A lot of religions view to the extreme to the point that it can be used as proof of being the cause of every problem in a person's life."

ETA2 I know how to Google thanks.