Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #23

[justice be served]

Probably would have, if he had just got his phone. I think he would have used it to call 911, even if the phone remained in his pocket. JMO

One of the only reasons that Jodi Arias got caught, is that the video camera had accidentally turned on and caught incriminating photos that sealed her fate.

Your point about him (Charles) not having his phone to call 911 is brilliant! Sometimes it's the simple things that get lost. Thank you for that. At least I hope I have this right.

Edited to add the larger episode when Lori took Charles phone when Alex shot him in Chandler.

 

[Anonymous91]

Oh! Oh! There was one GREAT quote from Lori though....
" We are here to tell the Truth. The good, the bad, and the ugly."
Lori Vallow

Really Lori, then WHERE'S THE KIDS?

 

[jjenny]

Really Lori, then WHERE'S THE KIDS?

Exactly. Truth is what we want.

 

[canyonoflight]

Chad is in Rexburg now.

Justin Lum has some digital trail stuff for the news tonight.

Jmo

Thanks! I'll check out Justin's twitter. I checked it at lunch, but that was 12:30.

 

[Nurse Gen]

I can't answer all your questions. I'm certainly not a specialist on cults. But the way you describe the evolving of this stuff in your first paragraph seems very plausible, from my viewpoint.

As for how big? That's certainly a hugely important question to me (though it could turn out to be less important for the missing-children case). I want to think it's pretty small, but I just don't know.

The question I'd add is how committed is this group? Again, I don't think we know, but I'm hoping that the number of absolutely committed (now in the face of bright light being directed toward the group) is small. From what I've heard, it hasn't yet fully coalesced into a well-defined and unified movement. But I could be wrong.

@Whaddayano @LDS social scientist IMO you are asking good questions about the potential for group dynamics to be a driver for whatever happened to Tylee and JJ

 

[jjenny]

Right there is why I feel that poor JJ is dead. If he had a meltdown when she was gone for just a few hours, what about 5 months?

I Hope I am wrong, not looking good though. MOO

It's not looking good at all. From what nanny describes, JJ was a handful. People who loved him (like his grandparents) is one thing, but chances that somebody unrelated to him is voluntary taking care of him are slim to none as far as I am concerned.

 

[Tortoise]

Unfortunately, not seriously enough. He shouldn't have gone to pick up JJ alone. I guess he didn't expect to find Alex there.

I've wondered for quite a while now if Alex's truck wasn't parked on the driveway when Charles got there, because that would have been a warning to Charles before he even went in.

Tylee said she went through the garage to pick up Lori's purse but that just makes me wonder if Lori had remembered to open it up when she left the house so that Alex could take his truck out and put it on the driveway, and then he didn't have the garage closer to close it again. It seems strange otherwise to have it open if no one was needing to get their car out that morning.

Lori would have used Charles' rental-car keys, so her house keys/car keys would have been on a separate set, but she obviously had her keys with her for Tylee to go in that way, so it seems the keys were important to remember or have in her hands as she left (even though she wasn't driving her own car) but she forgot her purse.

It's also possible his truck was parked further away from the house.

Another thing is Alex said the front door was open or unlocked when he called 911. So he had to have been around the front door before he called to know that. It was all so calm and managed.

moo

 

[Anonymous91]

I guess I am hoping there is a side benefit with all this craziness--that FBI DOES end up with some legal actions against cult stuff (money related or whatever), and MAYBE even LVd's parents!! That would be sweet justice.

Apparently, the "Voldemort" group, is in the process of removing their web presence and scrubbing all electronic data. From what I read, they are claiming that this is to keep them out of trouble with the LDS church, and avoid individuals from being excommunicated, or so they claim.

My Opinion only - I think that they are doing this for an entirely different reason. I think that you only do this if you are hiding something from LEO that land you behind bars. Wish we had a VI in there.

As far as LVD's parents go, that would be difficult to regulate, or to enforce. Given that in the USA, the balancing act between freedom and security is difficult.

MOO

 

[justice be served]

I've wondered for quite a while now if Alex's truck wasn't parked on the driveway when Charles got there, because that would have been a warning to Charles before he even went in.

Tylee said she went through the garage to pick up Lori's purse but that just makes me wonder if Lori had remembered to open it up when she left the house so that Alex could take his truck out and put it on the driveway, and then he didn't have the garage closer to close it again. It seems strange otherwise to have it open if no one was needing to get their car out that morning.

Lori would have used Charles' rental-car keys, so her house keys/car keys would have been on a separate set, but she obviously had her keys with her for Tylee to go in that way, so it seems the keys were important to remember or have in her hands as she left (even though she wasn't driving her own car) but she forgot her purse.

It's also possible his truck was parked further away from the house.

Another thing is Alex said the front door was open or unlocked when he called 911. So he had to have been around the front door before he called to know that. It was all so calm and managed.

moo

I need to watch the police video on this again. I always wondered why Lori took Charles' rental car to take JJ to school. Always seemed strange to me but perhaps her car was blocked by Alex's truck. If so, then Charles - if he knew what Alex's truck looked like - could have known Alex was there at the house when he went to pick up JJ. Still, Charles needed to pick up JJ regardless. The whole incident doesn't seem rational to me. Seems Charles was set up. IMO

 

[Nurse Gen]

It's not looking good at all. From what nanny describes, JJ was a handful. People who loved him (like his grandparents) is one thing, but chances that somebody unrelated to him is voluntary taking care of him are slim to none as far as I am concerned.

IMO he was probably a lot better when he had his risperdal. In my opinion as an RN, that's a really important med. IMOO he looks like a really cute little guy. And I agree that he's not likely to still be alive. Which is heartbreaking. These kids need to be found, even if they are not still alive, at least for family closure and to be properly honored JMO

 

[Ohmeohmy]

Garna Mejia KSL on Twitter
@NateNewsNow
reports #ChadDaybell is back in #Rexburg. Our sources also notified us yesterday that #Daybell reserved a rental at the #SLCAirport yesterday afternoon around 1:30 p.m. and was expected to return it in Rexburg by today. Extradition plans are underway for #Vallow.

 

[janx]

I've wondered for quite a while now if Alex's truck wasn't parked on the driveway when Charles got there, because that would have been a warning to Charles before he even went in.

Tylee said she went through the garage to pick up Lori's purse but that just makes me wonder if Lori had remembered to open it up when she left the house so that Alex could take his truck out and put it on the driveway, and then he didn't have the garage closer to close it again. It seems strange otherwise to have it open if no one was needing to get their car out that morning.

Lori would have used Charles' rental-car keys, so her house keys/car keys would have been on a separate set, but she obviously had her keys with her for Tylee to go in that way, so it seems the keys were important to remember or have in her hands as she left (even though she wasn't driving her own car) but she forgot her purse.

It's also possible his truck was parked further away from the house.

Another thing is Alex said the front door was open or unlocked when he called 911. So he had to have been around the front door before he called to know that. It was all so calm and managed.

moo

I don't understand how Lori just went to the rental car to drive it away, unless the key was in the ignition. I also can't fathom how Tylee went back into the house to get her mom's purse and didn't "see anything," according to the police report.

 

[divineappt]

Yea when CD and LVD got together, it's the same reaction you get when you mix ammonia and bleach together (Please no one try that - Seriously) MOO

Caustic, would be the word.

 

[Redvines86]

It's not looking good at all. From what nanny describes, JJ was a handful. People who loved him (like his grandparents) is one thing, but chances that somebody unrelated to him is voluntary taking care of him are slim to none as far as I am concerned.

And I think they would want the monetary reward. MOO

 

[Anonymous91]

im still listening to That Podcast and this is the thing keeps jumping out at me HeY yALL We R THe GaThERerSsSss -- in context, super creepy. i'm personally super triggered by all that because in my own experience with (FundyEV) all this kind of End Times talk has been heavily promoted for 40 years, and back when i was throoughly immersed, i would have felt really excited and validated and special to be considered a part of a Holy & G*d-Ordained Movement such as theirs! the more i dig into Lori's background (via personal stories on SM that cant be discussed here, unfortunately), the more i evolve away from my earlier views that she has always been a bad seed/sociopath. really starting to feel that she actually was not always this horrible person she's become on this *journey she's undertaken* (to paraphrase something from the podcast) but has always been a vulnerable and perhaps highly impressionable person with a deep rooted and unhealthy NEED to Matter, to Be Relevant, Important, Special, perhaps even Powerful. Something about Chad's books really spoke to her psyche. perhaps the original intent behind meeting the Author was innocent enough but when he evidently responded in kind (because similar dynamic on his own part?), combined with a surrounding extremist/fundamentalist religious subculture in which they were both immersed, well i can uncomfortably envision how a perfect storm of apocalyptic proportions seemingly blew up out of nowhere.

all that said, i am still deeply troubled by how contagious this environment seems to be... we have Melani, we have Alex (who someone observed did not seem particularly religious?), we have assorted other key players in That Community of end-times apologists and self-described *prophets*, we have exceedingly odd behavior from assorted extended family members (much of which we cant openly discuss in this forum but is being talked about in Reddit and FB groups for example)...
i keep coming back to the same underlying Question: HOW BIG IS THIS THING? i know perhaps this is not the forum for such conjecture, at least at this time... but, as someone who has personally embraced and later rejected some very cultish beliefs in my life... i feel in my gut this is a very important thought to hold onto. this particular string of suspicious deaths and disappearances may conceivably be only the oozing pimple on top of a festering boil. G*d forbid and i so hope i am wrong wrong wrong

anyone else on WS w background involvement in a cult or cultish branch of a church, PLEASE weigh in on these thoughts...

ROFLMAO, I can't stop laughing your description has me in stitches. I needed that, this case is seriously depressing. MOO

 

[jjenny]

IMO he was probably a lot better when he had his risperdal. In my opinion as an RN, that's a really important med. IMOO he looks like a really cute little guy. And I agree that he's not likely to still be alive. Which is heartbreaking. These kids need to be found, even if they are not still alive, at least for family closure and to be properly honored JMO

Per what nanny said, Lori was giving him meds. So that was him on risperidal (presumably). But his whole routine was obviously completely different, his father was gone, his sister was missing, his service dog was given away, he was attending a different school, which likely affected his behaviour.

 

[jjenny]

I don't understand how Lori just went to the rental car to drive it away, unless the key was in the ignition. I also can't fathom how Tylee went back into the house to get her mom's purse and didn't "see anything," according to the police report.

I am far from convinced Tylee was telling the truth about what happened there with Charles. Which could be the reason she went missing on September 8th-she probably knew too much.

 

[Redvines86]

I think another aspect of this is that someone knows a lot about poison. I hope there is an electronic trail of that, as it would take some study to know how and what and when. I also think the person/people using poison didn't think they'd get noticed, so I don't think they were being very careful. MOO

 

[Whaddayano]

I’ve been following this story closer than I’d like to admit. That being said I stumbled across a tweet early this morning that has me shook to the point where I believe it will eventually become evidence in the case.

I honestly believe Lori or Alex has watched this video. I think this 3 minute VOX video from 2016 is why they chose Yellowstone to make TR disappear and I think this professors legal theory referenced in the video will be what we see as a defense.

Credit to @tellingoffmytv on twitter who as of now no one else seems to have noticed.

well, it did come up as a subject of discussion a couple days ago...
anyway my thoughts on that whole concept are as follows:

1) it wouldnt ACTUALLY work in a court of law. sure, logical ppls get that and we arent dealing w logical ppls. sovereign statists & flat earthers are some of the types who pick up and run away with stuff like this, You Tube of course is full of such.

2) Lori's brain being in full apocalyptic melt-down mode, she very well may have been roaming the darker recesses of You Tube for fodder. after all, You Tube is one of the key platforms where many end-times preppers pass their views and network with like-minded others. why should we assume she limited herself to videos involving only her own group of choice.

3) if she did come across this video, where her brain was at, i could see her lighting up with all sorts of wild ideas, digging in, looking further into Yellowstone. i could see her coming up with the 2016 news reports of the hapless young man who fell into a sulphuric hot pot and was rapidly dissolved. i could see her being struck by inspiration, and quickly formulating her follow-through.

4) i strongly suspect LE have followed similar lines of reasoning with regards to Yellowstone's more notorious features, we just dont know what they know or suspect specifically as they are holding that info close to the vest for obvious reasons. but we do know LE has stated they will be conducting searches in some areas after there is a thaw. many here have mentioned that LE almost certainly has established some or all of her whereabouts in Yellowstone via vehicle & cellphone pings. they very well may have additional forensic evidence from the computers they confiscated when Lori was apprehended in HI

5) as to what LVD's attorneys will opt to use as a defense... its hard to imagine what they could possibly use... but theres allready been so many wacky statements and revelations i suppose nothing could be too much more shocking by now. we will certainly hear more from them very soon!

 

[Anonymous91]

I don't understand how Lori just went to the rental car to drive it away, unless the key was in the ignition. I also can't fathom how Tylee went back into the house to get her mom's purse and didn't "see anything," according to the police report.

More than likely she got the keys off of poor CV's corpse. MOO

I know that I always keep my car keys in my pocket, when I am not in my car.
I am hoping if he had trust issues, he would be carrying his keys on his person. JMO