Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #30

[CSIDreamer]

Do we know when this bail reduction is actually going to be heard. For some reason, I thought this was supposed to happen last week.

I assumed it would be added on the May hearing. I assume much. jmo

 

[FindingJoLee]

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25 Mar

#LoriVallow/Daybell Update: Mark Means remains as her attorney & filed for a bond reduction citing “new facts.” We have reached out for info. After rumors that #ChadDaybell has filed for divorce his attorney confirms he “has not filed for divorce.”
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I was getting up to date on the media thread and just saw this so am posting in here. I hadn't seen this. Chad's attorney refuting rumours he has filed for divorce.

How likely do people think that he might be considering it though?

Of allllll the many, many things he could choose to allow his attorney to publicly refute, that one is an interesting choice.

 

[Monroe2]

If chad was smart he would divorce her, I don't know if he realizes that Lolo is looking at possibly 30 years. I don't think he would want to wait for her, he will be an old man.He should cut his losses and maybe has a chance to meet someone else, unless he too ends up in jail. MOO

 

[DI_Isokawa]

Does anyone know the street where Charles, Lori, JJ and Tylee lived during January 2019? I'm trying to work out some logistics questions. Searches turn up these possibilities:

E Jade Place, Chandler

E Del Rio St., Gilbert

E Tomahawk Dr., Gilbert

E Runaway Bay Pl., Queen City

[Street numbers omitted as a courtesy to current residents; there's another Chandler address that turns up but that was the site of the shooting.]

 

[Jethro4WS]

Does anyone know the street where Charles, Lori, JJ and Tylee lived during January 2019? I'm trying to work out some logistics questions. Searches turn up these possibilities:

E Jade Place, Chandler

E Del Rio St., Gilbert

E Tomahawk Dr., Gilbert

E Runaway Bay Pl., Queen City

[Street numbers omitted as a courtesy to current residents; there's another Chandler address that turns up but that was the site of the shooting.]

Not with any great certainty, but my belief is the E Tomahawk Dr address would be it.

 

[tresir2012]

I agree. I don't think Chad has filed for divorce. I'm not expecting him to either, but I think if he does divorce her in the future it will be a strategy so Lori can get a public defender. She has no income without Chad. AFAWK anyway.

On the manufactured home being added I think that could be for Chad's children or for him to live in alone. Or maybe he has someone willing to rent it from him. A manufactured rental home can be an easy source of extra income. I doubt his book sales are very high right now. I don't take the doublewide purchase as a sign of Lori getting bailed out. I also think many people that have the land and money might be adding doublewides or buying an RV to park in their driveway right now due to the coronavirus. Many families who have "essential" workers leaving for work everyday are looking for solutions to isolate them and keep the rest of their household members healthy. I don't know if one of Chad's kids falls into that category but if one does he/she might be the one planning to stay in the doublewide.

MOO.

His property appears to have several outbuildings, one that looks like it could be converted into a house.

 

[Onsdag]

Of allllll the many, many things he could choose to allow his attorney to publicly refute, that one is an interesting choice.

Right? I'm actually surprised he/they took the time and felt the need to make a statement to refute a rumor of divorce, considering it was his/their position earlier that they would only address the more important issue of the missing kids once it had "moved beyond speculation and rumor.” I guess quashing any rumors of Chad and Lori's marital situation is more important to them than the well-being and safety of two missing children.

 

[AmandaSkis]

Some of us have wondered if Chad/Lori have lots of fanatic followers. Based on Lori still being in jail, I think this shows that not many people are fanatic enough to give up their cash. I believe it’s a very small group who are actually actively part of their fringe beliefs.

And I keep thinking back to what others have noticed about the document on IP’s computers. These “levels” to obtain, it really does sounds like a video game.

 

[Colorado303]

Does anyone know if BB’s custody hearing happened last week? Did he retain full custody or does Melani now have access to the kids?

 

[Sorelle19]

Let's assume the worst:

• TD's autopsy is inconclusive and charges cannot be brought.
• Charles Vallow's death cannot be proven conclusively to involve conspiracy and so charges cannot be brought.
• The kids stay missing and Lori says nothing - ever.
• She comes from a family where members have spent 1+ years in jail in moot fights with the government so IMO jail doesn't mean to her what it means to us.

She's still going to be convicted of the charges brought against her.

• She'll stay in jail for at least several years.
• The July 2020 apocalypse will pass with the world intact and CD's remaining followers will have to reassess/re-up the delusion.
• CD will not be able to be with his forever-wife.
• CD's kids will eye their dad with suspicion till the end of time.

It's not the way it should end, but if it's the way it does end, then at least there's some solace in the fact that these two won't be together again for a long time.

 

[Laughing]

• The July 2020 apocalypse will pass with the world intact and CD's remaining followers will have to reassess/re-up the delusion.

(don't think that quote worked?)

I do expect that those groups are feeling rather smug, what with a plague on humanity and earthquakes in diverse places and all....

JMHO YMMV

 

[Sorelle19]

DBM

 

[Sorelle19]

• The July 2020 apocalypse will pass with the world intact and CD's remaining followers will have to reassess/re-up the delusion.

(don't think that quote worked?)

I do expect that those groups are feeling rather smug, what with a plague on humanity and earthquakes in diverse places and all....

JMHO YMMV

We'll get through it all. These people play on fear and pick low-hanging fruit to scare others.

 

[Tmw821]

About the documents where Webb and Elcox withdraw from Lori's case, it says this...
"This motion is NOT made with respects to Mark L. Means.."
What does that mean?
This is page 1/2 from the motion that Justin Lum shares.
@AZlawyer

Thank you

 

[investigatefred]

If Chad has an existing mortgage on the home he and Tammy owned, I'm not sure that he'd be able to obtain another mortgage loan to add a mobile home to it, as the mobile home loan would have to be a junior mortgage to the 1st...and it's not something that can just be popped in place overnight either. I'd be sure he'd have to go through some type of permitting with the county building department and have several permits issued for electrical, plumbing, etc to be able to be deemed habitable. JMO...

About that double-wide... if I were the dealer delivering that, I think I'd leave the hitch attached and facing the road to facilitate the future repo.

 

[investigatefred]

Initially Lori had three attorneys from the same law firm....two decided to withdraw themselves from the case....however, one of the three (Mr.Means) still represents her. It just means their decision to withdraw does not affect Mr. Means continuance as her attorney.

About the documents where Webb and Elcox withdraw from Lori's case, it says this...
"This motion is NOT made with respects to Mark L. Means.."
What does that mean?
This is page 1/2 from the motion that Justin Lum shares.
@AZlawyer

Thank you

 

[Trouble1321075]

Would it be safe to say TD was murdered at this point? Because by now autopsy results and toxicology should have been completed. If there was nothing there, why not make it public? Otherwise, I'd think they found something and that something must stay confidential because it is evidence for pending proceedings. So by deduction, she was murdered, we just don't know the details yet. On the other hand if they had the results and know she was murdered, are they obligated to at least say it was homicide with no futher details? The inconsistencies between states and counties when it comes to reporting on autopsies seems to cloud things, or if it becomes an FBI case then the rules can change.

Another possibly is that the results were inconclusive

 

[AZlawyer]

About the documents where Webb and Elcox withdraw from Lori's case, it says this...
"This motion is NOT made with respects to Mark L. Means.."
What does that mean?
This is page 1/2 from the motion that Justin Lum shares.
@AZlawyer

Thank you

Initially Lori had three attorneys from the same law firm....two decided to withdraw themselves from the case....however, one of the three (Mr.Means) still represents her. It just means their decision to withdraw does not affect Mr. Means continuance as her attorney.

I thought Means was from a separate firm, but my phone won’t open the documents today for some reason -_- so I can’t double-check that.

 

[reluctant_anthropologist]

There is a paradox buried deep within Mormonism. It is the simultaneous belief that all Church members can receive personal revelation from God and all revelations must go through the prophet. Now, mainstream Mormons will tell you there's no contradiction here. They will tell you that the prophet is the only man who can receive revelation for the entire Church but individual Church members are entitled to revelations for themselves and their families.

Most of the time, this division of labor works well enough. In the late 1970s, for example, the prophet received a revelation that full Church membership rights could now be open to everyone regardless of the color of their skin. At that same time, Brother Jensen from Rexburg might have received a revelation that he should take the job he'd just been offered. You see lots of examples of this second kind of revelation on Chad's blog (thank you @Gardener1850 for indexing those!): Chad receives a revelation to move his family to Idaho, Tammy receives a revelation to start a family, and so on. It would be difficult for me to overstate just how common, how familiar, and how boring these kinds of revelations are in a Mormon context. If someone told you about one of them at Church, you'd probably forget about it before you got home.

So what's the problem? The problem is when Mormon men (and they're always men) get fed up with having revelations only for themselves and their families. The specific reasons men may come to feel this way are of course as numerous as the men themselves, but it's probably safe to say that, in general, their frustration stems from a sense they should have risen higher in the Church's priesthood hierarchy. They may look around and think "I should be a bishop" and "It's surely a mistake that I'm still just a Sunday School teacher." The deepest fear of Mormon men like Chad is that they're ordinary.

If you read through Chad's blog posts, it seems clear that all the miraculous yarns he spins are an attempt to prove to himself and others that he is special. In his telling, he doesn't understand why he receives so many visions, and, with delightful (if false) modesty, he sometimes shakes a metaphorical fist at the God from whom the frequently disruptive visions come. The visions Chad describes in his blog posts, all of which appear to have been written during a few short weeks in 2015, are mostly personal or related to his family. But in the last couple of posts, his tone shifts and we are introduced for the first time to Chad the Prophet, the man who sees things that will affect the whole Church, the state of Utah, and indeed all of humanity.

By expanding the scope of his revelations, Chad is implicitly setting himself up as a rival to Church leaders. And this is a problem . . . for Chad. Because Mormons believe you have to be righteous to receive revelations, and being righteous requires obeying the prophet and accepting that only the prophet can speak for God.

Flash forward to 2018 when Chad narrates a series of dreams he claims to have had over a period of about a week. It's in these "Train Dreams" that Chad squares the theological circle. He describes several scenes with important prophets of the Mormon Church. Most of the prophets engage directly with the members. For example, Gordon B. Hinckley, who was prophet of the Church until 2008, "faced [Chad] with his cane held high and a big smile on his face." Unfortunately, Thomas S. Monson, the next prophet ignored the members, refused to acknowledge Chad and several other Mormon writers, and simply "went quiet."

As usual in these situations, Chad's visionary talents desert him and he finds himself confused about what he's witnessing. Fortunately, a man he doesn't recognize explains what's going on: "Times have changed. Gospel knowledge won’t be served on a silver platter anymore. We are now in an era when the Saints must seek out truth and develop their own testimonies, rather than live on borrowed light.” Still struggling, Chad asks the man why everything can't remain the same. The man replies: "The Saints must learn to recognize the Spirit in their lives, rather than following the prophet like unquestioning sheep."

And there you have it. In that exchange between Chad and the unknown man, we have Daybellism's origin story, its foundational myth. The old rules worked for 150+ years, but now they don't. Whereas righteous discipleship used to be synonymous with listening to the Prophet and doing what he said, that's no longer enough. And real Mormons, the ones who, like Chad, really get it, know that God requires more from them. Forget the silly stories about whining unborn kids and mischievous cemetery ghosts. The only thing that matters now is Jesus' second coming . . . and the plagues, earthquakes, and locusts that will precede it.

MOO

 

[investigatefred]

I thought Means was from a separate firm, but my phone won’t open the documents today for some reason -_- so I can’t double-check that.

You're correct. The two who withdrew are with one firm (Brian Webb Legal) and Mark Means was from his own firm.