Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #33

[indicolite22]

Melani denies any involvement in the attack on Brandon. Yet on their wedding night Melani further explained zombies to Ian, stating that Brandon had been possessed since June. She was told by Chad (or through revelation) that something would happen to him in order for his spirit to progress. She reportedly didn't like it, but accepted that it would happen on its own, without anyone's action.

This sounds similar to Chad's discussion with Julie Rowe (sans the deamon part) about his wife dying prematurely and also what Lori allegedly expected to happen to Charles (dying in a car accident). These people (Chad) were predicting deaths and now they talk about coincidences.

Obviously when it comes to Brandon, Melani can't pin the zombie talk on Melanie Gibb.

 

[ReadyorNot]

I seem to recall reading somewhere that CD claimed he was going to Hawaii to work on his book, and just happened to bump into Lori there.

This group sure has a lot of coincidental encounters:

- MP just happens to end up in the same complex as Lori, Alex, and IP
- MP and IP just happen to get married in Vegas, a few hours before Alex does.

I am sure that I am missing more "coincidental" encounters too. I don't see the reason that they have to lie about these encounters.

MOO

I don't understand why no one has asked MP why she and AC would move to Idaho to be near LV if they knew this move to Hawaii was planned.

 

[Tortoise]

Do you recall whether she said WHENthis was?

She didn't.

I've got nothing to back it up but I suspect Melani scarpered the same time Lori and Chad did. Her apartment was raided on 27th Nov at the same time as Lori's and Alex's. Something she said in one of her interviews made me think she was still on her journey to IP's when she got the text telling her. I'll see if I can find what it was that made me think that.

MOO

 

[MadTing]

Was the bullet ever found from the attempted shooting of brandon?

 

[LDS social scientist]

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I probably should not have isolated this topic to you.... I do know there have been others too... I just always do read your comments as having such knowledge of the Church and some of the purpose of the extended believers. So let me ask you your opinion on this.... i would appreciate your response. Do you think that a part of Melani's being so vocal at this time, is also to help her assure herself as secure within the mainstream church, by dissing any cult behavior???

Yes!

 

[LDS social scientist]

I keep seeing posts about Lori and her family being if not solid LDS, at least generally accepted as "regular" LDS, the odd cult-thing notwithstanding.

But this bothers me. The foundation of the Church is the Articles of Faith that pretty much everyone can recite (or is that just me? )

Article #12 is: We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

And yet everything that Lori and her family have done is counter that. The allegations of IRS issues, flaunting law enforcement, the comments that she sees or thinks herself to be above the law. There's almost an anti-government tone--at least that's my perception. And that's just not an attitude of LDS people, at least anyone I've grown up with or known.

I could totally imagine sitting next to TD in Relief Society. She came across as exactly who we are--family-oriented, good people. I can't even imagine running into Lori or most of her family in church--I think I'd sincerely wonder why they were there.

Totally my opinion, but I'm getting to where every time I see a post were someone is talking about Lori and her LDS beliefs I want to shout--not my people.

I understand where you're coming from completely on this. Yet there is indeed a fairly significant LDS anti-government minority that exists out there -- stronger in some locations than others. You remember the Bundys from a few years back, don't you?

This is not to say that the Bundys and Chad and Lori are in league with each other (I think that's rather unlikely), but they do draw on similar anti-government sentiments that exists within some pockets of Mormonism (and that are well-documented elsewhere, but we don't need to go into here).

 

[Colorado303]

I sincerely wish Melani and Ian would stop with the crazyinyerviews


Plus it’s such a judgmental thing. Who gives Chad or anyone else the right to judge another? It’s horrific to say someone is dark or that their dying will release them to go to Heaven. As if..

To be honest, I quit listening to Melani’s interview or even reading the transcript. I believe nothing that comes out of her mouth. Nothing. She’s made so many inconsistent statements (some ludicrous) my head hurts trying to ferret out any meaningful clues/theories based on what she says.

Of all the crazy whack-jobs that pop up in WS cases, she’s the first where “I just can’t”. Fortunately I know if anything of value ever comes out of her mouth you guys will mention it here. Thank you for that.

MOO

 

[Colorado303]

I keep hoping that Barry and his PR company are reading our threads.
And then I keep hoping that poor Ian is reading our threads... Ian, some of us are still rooting for you to come clean.

Or just run. Run Ian, Run!!!

 

[CSIDreamer]

We have 3 weddings in late November 2019...
Lori didn't have her kids with her or tell them she was getting married.
Chad didn't have his kids with him or tell them he was getting married.
MBP didn't have her kids with her or tell them she was getting married.
IP didn't have his kids with him or tell them he was getting married.
ZP didn't have her kid(s) with her or tell them she was getting married.

Who gets married without telling their children? I am guessing that statistically, nearly every person in the world who got married without telling their own children about it in November of 2019 lived within a couple miles of Rexburg, Idaho. ZP being the exception.

According to Melani, Ian's children were at their Vegas wedding. Jmo

 

[indicolite22]

She didn't.

I've got nothing to back it up but I suspect Melani scarpered the same time Lori and Chad did. Her apartment was raided on 27th Nov at the same time as Lori's and Alex's. Something she said in one of her interviews made me think she was still on her journey to IP's when she got the text telling her. I'll see if I can find what it was that made me think that.

MOO

Did Melani leave with Alex on Nov 27?

 

[indicolite22]

Just four days after meeting Melani, Ian started to learn from her, as well as Lori and Chad about their beliefs. Among other things, he learned about the stats, light and dark weapons and words spoken in blessings. Melani explained to him that they could visit Lori and Chad in Hawaii (once they moved there) by teleporting. To me it looks like Ian knowingly married into a cult. He didn't know yet it was a murderous cult. I wonder if he knew that Lori had kids when he met her and Chad.

 

[Love Never Fails]

To be honest, I quit listening to Melani’s interview or even reading the transcript. I believe nothing that comes out of her mouth. Nothing. She’s made so many inconsistent statements (some ludicrous) my head hurts trying to ferret out any meaningful clues/theories based on what she says.

Of all the crazy whack-jobs that pop up in WS cases, she’s the first where “I just can’t”. Fortunately I know if anything of value ever comes out of her mouth you guys will mention it here. Thank you for that.

MOO

I agree with you. I stopped watching also. If she thought the interviews would help her cause, she underestimated the common sense of good people.
She even comes across as a mannequin. Smiling, saying she loves everyone. I don’t think she even knows what love is. She is an empty shell.
And Ian? Either he was just looking for a home like a stray dog, or he was in on this before they even got married. To say they met on a dating site but lived across the street from one another beforehand was too much for me.

 

[indicolite22]

Let's say that Lori in Chad planned a move to Hawaii before November 26 as Melani and Ian said. At which point were Tylee and JJ going to join Lori and Chad if the police hadn't been looking for them? Lori and Chad did tell one potential landlord that they had a blended family at home.

 

[Spartygirl]

I understand where you're coming from completely on this. Yet there is indeed a fairly significant LDS anti-government minority that exists out there -- stronger in some locations than others. You remember the Bundys from a few years back, don't you?

This is not to say that the Bundys and Chad and Lori are in league with each other (I think that's rather unlikely), but they do draw on similar anti-government sentiments that exists within some pockets of Mormonism (and that are well-documented elsewhere, but we don't need to go into here).

But you did give me another possibility to the remark about them going to Ammon.
I know there is the town/city of Ammon but isn't there a Bundy son named "Ammon" who, last to my knowledge, lives in IDAHO ??
He was/is a militia leader. (not that I think involved in the missing kids, but rather the whole group plan)

I know some of us were confused about why Ammon was brought up as a location to go to in MP/IP interview but maybe it's CODE for a person, not a place.

And ALL of them in IDAHO. Hmmmmm
JMO-- I am probably reaching waaaayyy out there, but we just don't know with this group and it could be anything--they speak in riddles and perhaps code words are used between them.
I am driving myself crazy with this case

 

[Diddian]

MOO, any evidence of frequent contacts among family members or lovers, Lori and Chad, Lori, Melanis, Alex, other Coxes would be extremely weak at trial. If I were a juror I don't think evidence of phone contacts between Alex and Melani, even if there appeared to be a pattern related to events like the BB shooting would be persuasive to me. Even if she were calling Alex every day to complain about what BB was doing, I would see that as normal or easily explained and even if Alex took a shot, I would not see evidence of her conspiring with him.

Before we knew AC died of natural causes my opinion was that he was killed to clean up a loose end in CV's death and BB's attempted death. So I am certainly inclined to think that way. But I hope no one is wasting too much time on phone records because calls between family members are normal and to me, not incriminating unless we have incriminating content.

Attention to volume of calls alone may not serve as adequate evidence to prove anything in particular; however, timing of calls between parties may signify something if those calls occur close in time to other events and there is evidence supporting either party's involvement (e.g. contentious custody dispute, financial motivation, threats, communication of involvement to others besides those called). For example, documented communications around the time a shooter would arrive at a scene in advance of a shooting, communications immediately before/after a potential victim arrives where they are shot at or communications immediately after a shot is missed or shortly before connecting evidence is moved.

If I were a juror and I was aware of other evidence supporting any of those parties' involvement, those communications would certainly be significant to me.

Also, if such communications were to occur, it is likely LE would do a cell tower dump nearby the scene of a shooting and would know that at least one of the parties involved was in close proximity to the scene at the time of the shooting.

 

[Nurse Gen]

Respiratory Complications of Organophosphorus Nerve Agent and Insecticide Poisoning. Implications for Respiratory and Critical Care

This is the other article that describes respiratory findings in organophosphate poisonings. “Fibrin” = clot proteins. Organophosphate pesticides are very common and readily available at any big box hardware store.

See figure 3.

@Riverdoc I would love to hear your thoughts about malachite
How Toxic is Malachite? - Johnna Crider

 

[Nurse Gen]

It was stated in Chad's document that levels 4.1 or above "rarely switch sides", so by this design it's not impossible.

ITA "The Schneider Rule" is spot on

 

[MadTing]

dbm

 

[divineappt]

I don’t know if this was mentioned before, I swear I have read and followed along the whole way, but the brain just can’t hold that much!

Found this while in a rabbit whole looking for Ammon and Mexico. I cannot find this spelling anywhere as a Spanish word anywhere, yet there are a lot of businesses and stores named Ammon in Mexico.

Just letting my imagination fly, found it interesting the tie to Mexico City.

I find myself this week trying to think out of the box.

This is an excerpt from Wiki
Ammon M. Tenney
American Mormon missionary

Ammon Meshach Tenney[1](November 16, 1844 – October 28, 1925)[2]was an American Mormon missionary and colonizer in Arizona, New Mexico and Mexico, who taught the message of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) to peoples of the Zuni and the Isleta Pueblos, baptizing hundreds. He also was the first president of the Mexican Mission after it was reorganized in 1901.


More here

Ammon Meshach Tenney

Eliza Ann Udall Tenney (1855-1913) - Find A Grave...

 

[DI_Isokawa]

Was the bullet ever found from the attempted shooting of brandon?

Not to my knowledge. From the evidence of the photograph, it did not go into the car. Many accounts or references give the impression the shot was from the side into the vehicle. The photograph pretty clearly shows that it was from the front, hit the door/window frame and the shock wave from it passed down into the side window and shattered it. The photograph is unclear whether the round ricocheted off or whether there is lead imbedded in the door frame -- a dark spot could be a shadow or lead. Even if was the remains of a bullet it would probably be so damaged as to preclude any ballistics comparison with the rounds retrieved from the Chandler shooting in July. IMHO.