Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #34

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  • #221
I saw something recently that said:

Rules of a Hustler:

1. If you're going to lie, lie big.
2. Claim partnership with God.

That's Chad and Lori Daybell for ya. :p
I bet both CD and LVD have that exact quote—in vinyl lettering—on the inside walls of each’s closet portal. :D
 
  • #222
In the family history document that Chad gave to Lori on October 20, 2018 he lists one of JJ's past lives as Jonathan Elliott Edwards (1745-1801) KNBV-3ZW. I've been puzzled by what the KNBV-3ZW meant since he is the only one on the list with letters like that.

I think he is refering to this guy: Jonathan Edwards (the younger) - Wikipedia

If you search KNBV-3ZW you get this FamilySearch.org page for the same guy: Rev Jonathan Elliot Edwards (1745-1801) • FamilySearch

What is interesting is that Jonathan Elliott Edwards was dismissed from being a pastor in a church because of his "doctrinal conflicts." Maybe Chad saw Edwards as some kind of hero.

Another name on the list as being one of Lori's husbands is Neal A. Maxwell. One of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the LDS church from 1981-2004 had that name. That Maxwell was also head of Deseret Publishing Neal A. Maxwell - Wikipedia

Lori's other former husband in a past life was James the Just. The only thing that strikes me when reading about him on wikipedia is that James emphasized written Jewish religious law over faith whereas St. Paul believed faith was more important, which is of course the direction christianity has taken since.

So most of the people on that form could possibly be seen as "heros" of Chad in some way - publishing, views that conflicted with the church, etc.
 
  • #223
DBM
 
  • #224
My first thought regarding this interview is how is any lawyer going to be able to deal with this. It seems that Lori was bewitched by Chad and to some degree so was MG and maybe also MP and IP. MG knew it was wrong but did podcasts with him and Lori, and she had her book published with a foreword by him and was completely suckered in. I am still of the opinion Lori met Chad before 2018.
None of that should matter in the eyes of the law. She is violating court orders.
 
  • #225
In the family history document that Chad gave to Lori on October 20, 2018 he lists one of JJ's past lives as Jonathan Elliott Edwards (1745-1801) KNBV-3ZW. I've been puzzled by what the KNBV-3ZW meant since he is the only one on the list with letters like that.

I think he is refering to this guy: Jonathan Edwards (the younger) - Wikipedia

If you search KNBV-3ZW you get this FamilySearch.org page for the same guy: Rev Jonathan Elliot Edwards (1745-1801) • FamilySearch

What is interesting is that Jonathan Elliott Edwards was dismissed from being a pastor in a church because of his "doctrinal conflicts." Maybe Chad saw Edwards as some kind of hero.

Another name on the list as being one of Lori's husbands is Neal A. Maxwell. One of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the LDS church from 1981-2004 had that name. That Maxwell was also head of Deseret Publishing Neal A. Maxwell - Wikipedia

Lori's other former husband in a past life was James the Just. The only thing that strikes me when reading about him on wikipedia is that James emphasized written Jewish religious law over faith whereas St. Paul believed faith was more important, which is of course the direction christianity has taken since.

So most of the people on that form could possibly be seen as "heros" of Chad in some way - publishing, views that conflicted with the church, etc.
Very interesting! I usually only read and hardly ever post since I'm not one of the regular posters. I think I'll do some more research on some of your ideas. Thank you!
 
  • #226
I saw something recently that said:

Rules of a Hustler:

1. If you're going to lie, lie big.
2. Claim partnership with God.

That's Chad and Lori Daybell for ya. :p
I bet both CD and LVD have that exact quote—in vinyl lettering—on the inside walls of each’s closet portal. :D
Thank you for sharing! Interesting how Means “conveniently” decided not to show up and Lori “didn’t know” about it. o_O That doesn’t seem to make sense. It isn’t like Lori has a whole lot going on in jail. I remember Means making such a big deal in his two hour vent session that he specifically made sure he knew what was going on and had his things lined up right. If that’s true, then maybe he is either swamped with discovery, isn’t being paid by CD and Lori, or decided he didn’t need to show up. It’s possible he forgot, but I can’t imagine he doesn’t have a secretary who could help keep appointments straight. Either way that can’t be good a good look for them as clients if Means isn’t paying attention to when he needs to be present. All jmo
My guess is Means was still out camping in his RV over the long weekend...MOO;P
 
  • #227
Outside my husband, I couldn't tell you whether anyone I know does or does not have a Temple recommend at the moment. It would be pretty hard for people to use something as a status symbol that very, very few people would ever see. It isn't something one hauls out in a business transaction or social occasion. That would be horribly gauche.

I understand that it would be hard for Chad to speak to the Bishop about having an affair or about his totally divergent beliefs, and the consequences for that might be something people can notice. But we really don't go around presenting this card to people or discussing it. You show up for an appointment for a private interview, very few people are around in the building at the time; you leave with or without it, very few people are aware which of the two it is; you present it at the door of the Temple and put it back in your wallet, relatively few people you know are sitting in your midst while you are there.

So your impression is consistent with one person's experience....mine. :)
Maybe, maybe especially in a group of LDS. I am not LDS, but years ago as a much younger adult I became good friends with a co-worker, his wife, and children. I was single and geographically far from my own family at the time. Such a warm and admirable family unit. I had not really known LDS faithful before and they told me about the day to day practice of their faith. I learned about mission work and sealings from them. I learned how a temple is not at all the same as a catholic cathedral. AND they showed me their cards for temple entry. I joked that they were “card-carrying Mormons”. Very good people with 100% integrity as individuals and as a family. I still admire them so much.
 
  • #228
In the family history document that Chad gave to Lori on October 20, 2018 he lists one of JJ's past lives as Jonathan Elliott Edwards (1745-1801) KNBV-3ZW. I've been puzzled by what the KNBV-3ZW meant since he is the only one on the list with letters like that.

I think he is refering to this guy: Jonathan Edwards (the younger) - Wikipedia

If you search KNBV-3ZW you get this FamilySearch.org page for the same guy: Rev Jonathan Elliot Edwards (1745-1801) • FamilySearch
That strange lettering/number is basically the cataloguing system used by FamilySearch. Think of it kinda like a social security number, or a library catalog number. Each person that is added to the FamilySearch database is assigned a unique alpha-numeric identifier to help make finding and researching people easier, especially when there are tons of people with identical names. In theory anyways. In practice it can be quite messy because every new person that is added is assigned their own number and people are adding relatives to the database that have already been added, creating duplicates of the person but with a new indexing number. This creates something of a nightmare and requires people to go through and manually merge the duplicates. And then people merge duplicates that aren't actually duplicates, causing even worse problems. But such is the nature of the beast when you empower individuals to do their own family history and add/modify it in the database.
 
  • #229
Thank you for sharing that. I'm surprised to hear MG say the doctrine Chad was following was from the "adversary." That's going to get a lot of negative attention in my opinion. Basically, people will start to identify that with "devil worship," and that could through it in a whole different light. MG said that Charles sent out the "list" to many people. Is this the list where Chad analyzes the children and gives them a numbered designation?

That is because it is. A while back I fell down a rabbit hole, and found out that a lot of these beliefs that CD and LVD are practicing are straight from Satanism. I found a reference to their teachings and the Devil's Bible, a whole bunch of scary stuff. The stuff these guys are teaching, some of it is definitely coming from here.

MOO
 
  • #230
She didn't like the word planet, preferred the word life.
Okay, so Lori and Chad had 21/31 lives, 4/5 on Earth.
But she corrected Lori's 4 to 5.
So they each had 5 lives on Earth.

Last time I checked? Earth was a planet. o_O

I can't find it now, but I remember reading some crazy website many years ago talking about someone who lived on multiple planets (past lives), and claimed he was an alien. :rolleyes:

It was so bizarre and entertaining to read. This "alien" was claiming that you became enlightened every time that you were "reborn", and that you remembered your past lives when you progressed far enough. The site was very entertaining, but I haven't been able to find it. This was several years ago.

My point is, there is a bunch of this insane stuff out there, and CD could have either read some of this stuff, or just made it up entirely, who's to say.

It seems that the fringe ideas he is teaching are a grab bag of different things, from all kinds of things. Everything from Satanism, Aliens, Ghost stories, NDE, obscure LDS stories, Dungeons and Dragons, a little Highlander, and who knows what else. This would be great for some off the wall fictional story, but what is scary is that this is real life.

What's amazing is the amount of people that actually believe this stuff? It boggles the mind. I think that certain people are too "open-minded", and to fast to "suspend belief", and don't try to question any of this.

MOO
 
  • #231
So much for hiding the interview location.
Nate Eaton - Reporter

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So where is that?
 
  • #232
There's an element to the zombie theory that perhaps made it easier for Chad's followers to accept. This is based on three cases known so far: Charles, Brandon and Tammy. After people were labeled zombies (and sometimes even before) it was predicted that they would die. It was implied that somehow death would occur without a deliberate act (Brandon, mentioned by Melani), e.g. in a car accident (Charles, mentioned by Lori, and Tammy, mentioned by Chad). Sudden illness would also fall into this category. Even if other followers knew about the predictions, it might not have crossed their minds that those people would be murdered (luckily Brandon evaded it). If that was the case, I'd like to know if and when any other insiders besides MG realized what was happening. The other option would be that they did know about the killings and didn't see them as murder. The most important question: what did others know about the missing kids?
 
  • #233
There's a lot of the temple attendance information that is hearsay, by that I mean if Lori really ever went, but the temple staff changes all the time and you can go often but never see the same people working there. MOO
Part 1: Melanie Gibb describes Chad and Lori Daybells' religious beliefs and her relationship with the couple | East Idaho News

This is the video and an account of Part 1 of the interview. The last paragraph of the article is copied out below.

Doubting the beliefs
Lori eventually stopped going to church but would attend the temple as often as she could. It was her favorite place, according to Gibb, and even though she was still married to Charles, and Chad was married to Tammy, they went together.

One day, Lori told Gibb she was sealed to Chad.

Latter-day Saints believe relationships continue after death for a husband and wife who are sealed in the temple. Sealings are performed by officiators in the temple and are recorded in church records. People cannot be sealed to a second spouse if they are legally married to a living person already.

“(Lori said) they felt they were sealed by those on the other side of the veil that had the authority to do that,” Gibb says. “She said it was OK they did this because they had been married so many times before, that their (current) spouses would understand someday.”

Other teachings alarmed Gibb, such as Chad creating a spiritual “portal” in Lori’s closet or other places.

“A portal is a spot where he said a prayer or something to create the portal. I wasn’t there, so I don’t know. … (But) it was a way for them to interact spiritually,” Gibb says. “I thought it was different. I thought, ‘How do you do that?’ … It was pretty extreme, but to me, everything was new.”

Gibb says Chad had an extensive chart that ranked people based on their spiritual level. It showed Biblical apostles, the current Latter-day Saint 12 apostles, celebrities, friends and family members. It was four pages, and Gibb says it detailed how many lives each of the people have lived, whether they were “dark” or “light” spirits, their previous names, and other bizarre information.

Lori had experienced 21 lives, and Chad was on his 31st life, according to the chart. Both had lived five lives on this earth, and Chad was considered a Holy Ghost.

She said she always had a “little bit of doubt” about what Chad was saying and Lori did too.

“Two to three times, (Lori) said to me, ‘If Chad is Satan, he sure is a good one,'” Gibb says. “That tends to lead me to believe she wasn’t 100% convinced either.”

Chad and Lori only seemed to share these extreme beliefs with those who were close to them. Looking back now, Gibb believes they kept it private so their church membership would not be put in jeopardy.

“When you go in the temple, there are certain questions they ask you to see if your belief systems are consistent with the doctrine,” Gibb says. “They were inconsistent, so that’s the reason they’re going to be secretive about it.”

She said their doctrine was not affiliated with any Christianity she knew of.

“It’s not doctrine that comes from Jesus Christ – it comes from the Adversary (devil),” she said.

RELATED | The major players and timeline in the disappearance of JJ Vallow and Tylee Ryan

In part 2 of our interview, Gibb discusses Lori’s move to Rexburg, Tammy Daybell’s death, Charles Vallow’s death, zombies and the call from Chad Daybell that changed everything. It will be posted Wednesday on EastIdahoNews.com at 8 a.m. MST.

We have MG saying Lori went to Temple often and her and Chad went together, so it isn't hearsay. I quoted and linked it in my post above.
 
  • #234
As minutes and hours go by...I am actually getting more questions.
I certainly wondered why Nate did not ask about the pool party? It tied directly into that part about Chad and Melanie staying at Lori's house, and them as "the group of 6".

I am actually really wondering about the timing too? Something does not feel right. ...
  • Melanie is going out of her way to travel to these events where Chad is ----> Ogden, St. Georges etc...
  • April in Hawaii says Lori was reading Chad's books way back a few years.
  • But Melanie only meets Lori at Church Oct 2018,
  • and says Lori only meets Chad in 10 or 11/2018.
  • Lori sends dancing videos in Jan 2019.
  • I also expect Lori was living off some proceeds of Joe Ryan's death during these latter months in 2018... the plot develops.
I still think/feel Lori knew Chad much earlier.....

So apparently Lori got confused on which phone she was supposed to be using to send the dancing video to Chad with?

Do we know which phone she had used for this? I am assuming it wasn't the burner phone.

MOO
 
  • #235
So apparently Lori got confused on which phone she was supposed to be using to send the dancing video to Chad with?

Do we know which phone she had used for this? I am assuming it wasn't the burner phone.

MOO
It was via email. Charles said he found it in the sent folder which Lori had forgotten to delete. If I recall correctly.

ETA: From the timeline linked on page 1 of this thread:

"Jan 2019 (Approx) - Lori emails Chad a video of herself dancing; Charles found the video because Lori was not technologically savvy and did not delete the email from the “sent” folder. This lead CV to believe Lori was having an affair with Chad (According to CV’s sister KW, in Jan 30, 2020 Presser)."
 
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  • #236
None of that should matter in the eyes of the law. She is violating court orders.
I am thinking what if Chad has taken the kids or has given them to someone and Lori has no knowledge where they are at all. It seems like she would just do anything he said. Almost like a Manson follower. Everything that is coming out is just so crazy that if it was alleged they were sacrificing the firstborn, it would not surprise me now.

Does Chad still have his Temple recommend? I wonder when it expires?
 
  • #237
Okay, there's something I misunderstood somehow. I thought the undergarments were daily LDS wear. Jmo

Actually if members have been endowed they are strongly urged to always wear these undergarments. This doesn't necessarily mean that they have an active temple recommend though.

Someone could go years without a temple recommend, and still wear the garments. The other thing is that since Rexburg is so close to Idaho Falls, a member could visit either Temple.

Although Rexburg is a smaller community, I don't think someone would know if you had an active Temple recommend unless you told them, or you actually saw them at the temple yourself.

MOO
 
  • #238
So Lori had three phones according to MG. Was that including Tylee's or would that make it four? Plus JJ's iPad would make it 5?
Which phone(s) did she contact MG with?
I guess LE are having a field day with all these devices to track.
 
  • #239
Actually if members have been endowed they are strongly urged to always wear these undergarments. This doesn't necessarily mean that they have an active temple recommend though.

Someone could go years without a temple recommend, and still wear the garments. The other thing is that since Rexburg is so close to Idaho Falls, a member could visit either Temple.

Although Rexburg is a smaller community, I don't think someone would know if you had an active Temple recommend unless you told them, or you actually saw them at the temple yourself.

MOO
So the wearing of garments only means you once had a temple recommend. Is that right?
 
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