Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #34

[indicolite22]

So I think the dates we've had gel. He was at Lori's house late in 2018. And they sealed themselves at a Temple. How did they get away with that? Jmo

They were probably just in the same room together and imagined the ceremony.

 

[Anonymom]

I have always felt like the heart of this matter rests in Chad. Specifically, does he actually believe what he is writing, teaching and professing to other people? Is he deluded? Is he a master manipulator? Did he learn from an early age how to influence people with his mystical stories? Does he actually believe his stuff?

After listening to Melanie Gibb’s part 1 interview, it appears that Lori was desperately searching for deeper meaning in her spiritual life and Chad filled that gap. I will take Melanie’s statements at face value for now.

“If he (Chad) is Satan, he is a good one.” Reportedly this is what Lori said about Chad to Melanie Gibb. She should have listened to this gut check.

 

[spandangly]

At the beginning, she's doing this for JJ, Tammy, and Tylee. I literally teared up.

Yeah, when she included them with the victims we know are dead, it doesn't give much hope.

ETA: she did use "kidnapped" as well. I'm just pointing to this specific sentence.

So I think the dates we've had gel. He was at Lori's house late in 2018. And they sealed themselves at a Temple. How did they get away with that? Jmo

It sounded to me like they received the impression from the spirit that they had been sealed. MOO they were probably just sitting in what's called the Celestial Room (scroll down for pics and info) and got some warm tingles in their nether regions and decided that was God telling them they were sealed. *Insert eyeroll*

 

[indicolite22]

Why did Melanie talk about kidnapping in the 1st minute of part 1. Who is she implying was kidnapped. I thought it odd choice of words, does she think the kids were kidnapped? Thanks

Maybe she was thinking about the time Melani BP and Alex tried to take Melani's kids from her in-laws.

 

[indicolite22]

My impression (so MOO):

MG is giggly because she feels awkward/embarrassed talking about these things.

She takes issue with the word brainwashed. This leads me to three conclusions(MOO):

1. She is unwilling to admit how deep in she was mentally. I'm not necessarily faulting her for this, as a survivor of what I consider "cult light" myself. MOO this is why she didn't seemingly call out the "you are married"/"this is adultery" truth.

2.MOO she still believes or is unsure about some of the teachings (which probably align with those still involved in these internet groups). She drew the line somewhere at zombies.

3. She is trying to be honest, but will paint herself in a better light, even if only a little bit.

I was feeling physically ill listening to some of this behavior--grooming, lies, betrayal, etc.

She also does't like the word cult.

 

[CSIDreamer]

My impression (so MOO):

MG is giggly because she feels awkward/embarrassed talking about these things.

She takes issue with the word brainwashed. This leads me to three conclusions(MOO):

1. She is unwilling to admit how deep in she was mentally. I'm not necessarily faulting her for this, as a survivor of what I consider "cult light" myself. MOO this is why she didn't seemingly call out the "you are married"/"this is adultery" truth.

2.MOO she still believes or is unsure about some of the teachings (which probably align with those still involved in these internet groups). She drew the line somewhere at zombies.

3. She is trying to be honest, but will paint herself in a better light, even if only a little bit.

I was feeling physically ill listening to some of this behavior--grooming, lies, betrayal, etc.

I think she's kinda scared still. This case has drawn nationwide attention (worldwide actually) and she's been hiding for 5 months.

Chad appears to be the instigator if I'm interpreting this interview correctly. Which I've suspected for awhile. Lori happily went along with it.

Jmo

 

[CSIDreamer]

A few posters on this board correctly pointed out the motives for keeping Chad's unorthodox beliefs secret. It was to protect the group from losing temple access.

I've said that all along. It still makes me nauseous. Jmo

 

[natsound]

Why did Melanie talk about kidnapping in the 1st minute of part 1. Who is she implying was kidnapped. I thought it odd choice of words, does she think the kids were kidnapped? Thanks

I thought the same thing. I wish Nate had asked her about that.

 

[natsound]

Regarding Chad and Lori sealing themselves together in the temple (which is against church procedure):

"It was OK that they did this because they had been married (to each other) so many times before that their spouses would understand some day."

"They felt they were sealed on the other side of the veil."

 

[Deerrun]

She also does't like the word cult.

I think for sure MG is still in some denial, denial keeps us safe till we can look at things 100 percent honestly. I imagine she feels guilt and shame imo she does seem embarrassed and a little awkward like someone else said. Thank goodness for her boyfriend at the time that helped bring her out of the nonsense and tell LE the truth

 

[FindingJoLee]

They were probably just in the same room together and imagined the ceremony.

Yep, that's the only way you could "do" it if you hadn't arranged to do it properly.

But I wouldn't really call it a "sealing" any more than I would call two people who simply met up together at a wedding venue "married."

 

[tresir2012]

I think it is important to understand all the possible motives of the events that happened, and distinguish facts from ideas, emotions and what each of us believes.
I see the point in mentioning CV's and LV's mutual business account. It's a fact that LV has taken the money out of it and was at least authorized by CV to do so, for she had the access and authority, as I understand it's an established fact (based on the absence of prosecution?). It's also a fact, that she and CV had mutual income earned during the marriage, according to the law, because they were not separated. So what that says to me is that it is possible (not that it's a fact) that when LV was taking money without CV's permission from the account, she maybe believed that it was her right to do so.
The other question is why would she think so - is that because she was so evil, or mentally sick, was it a plan or not, - all these are our guesses based on the other facts that we can see at the moment.

I personally believe that the sick mind can justify/rationalize different actions to itself and to others who are eager to believe those are right and correct because it fits their past beliefs. In my opinion this is what we hear from Cox's family. For me, it's important to see all possible influences and actions to make a complete picture.

I don't think though that CV's business partners could have any possible role in threats to kids or whatever. I don't think this can be any working hypothesis
based on all the information and evidences we know up till now (I mean statements from all related to LV parties about Kay's threats, mentioning of "custody issues" etc).

There is no evidence he had any business partners just employees. LV took money out that was earmarked for payroll for those employees. That is what we have evidence for.

 

[FindingJoLee]

Why did Melanie talk about kidnapping in the 1st minute of part 1. Who is she implying was kidnapped. I thought it odd choice of words, does she think the kids were kidnapped? Thanks

What WAS that about?!?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I'm listening to part 1 now... 15 minutes in.

When you see two married people developing a romance and citing a higher being as to why they essentially have to keep lying to their spouses, at what point do you call foul? At what point do you admit to yourself that this "religion", and the people you're looking up to, are shams?

When we shed away the skins of this onion...the basic story just the same ol' lust.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

So I think the dates we've had gel. He was at Lori's house late in 2018. And they sealed themselves at a Temple. How did they get away with that? Jmo

Still don't get that either. Never went to church...but in and out of a temple as "if they owned the place". WHat gives.

 

[GRT]

Part 1 of interview with MG is out!

Part 1: Melanie Gibb describes Chad and Lori Daybells' religious beliefs and her relationship with the couple | East Idaho News

Thank you for sharing that. I'm surprised to hear MG say the doctrine Chad was following was from the "adversary." That's going to get a lot of negative attention in my opinion. Basically, people will start to identify that with "devil worship," and that could through it in a whole different light. MG said that Charles sent out the "list" to many people. Is this the list where Chad analyzes the children and gives them a numbered designation?

 

[BUF]

Eagerly waiting for part 2 tomorrow when this is discussed...

In part 2 of our interview, Gibb discusses Lori’s move to Rexburg, Tammy Daybell’s death, Charles Vallow’s death, zombies and the call from Chad Daybell that changed everything. It will be posted Wednesday on EastIdahoNews.com at 8 a.m. MST.

Part 1: Melanie Gibb describes Chad and Lori Daybells' religious beliefs and her relationship with the couple | East Idaho News

 

[natsound]

Lori at one point said to MG, "If Chad is Satan, he sure is a good one." MG says Lori had some doubts about what Chad was spewing.

Obviously that doubt didn't amount to much in the end.

 

[MadTing]

Just finished watching, My take is that i feel MG is playing down her own involvement in the beliefs a little but is otherwise being truthful about all the info she has on lori and chad. I now also think her smile/smirk is because she's a little nervous, she also seems very sane and willing to admit she got sucked in, i found her very much to be authentic and believable. The complete opposite of what i felt watching MP.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Just finished watching, My take is that i feel MG is playing down her own involvement in the beliefs a little but is otherwise being truthful about all the info she has on lori and chad. I now also think her smile/smirk is because she's a little nervous, she also seems very sane and willing to admit she got sucked in, i found her very much to be authentic and believable. The complete opposite of what i felt watching MP.

I agree. Nothing she said in this first interview goes against anything we already know or suspect. Jmo